{"conversationCode":"854-025","tapeNumber":854,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-854-025","startDateTime":"1973-02-13T17:35:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-13T17:38:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Feb-1973","startTime":"12:35 PM","endDate":"13-Feb-1973","endTime":"12:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:35 pm and 12:38 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 854-025 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 854-25\n\nDate: February 13, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 12:35 pm and 12:38 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       President’s schedule\n              -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft\n              -Donald H. Rumsfeld\n                      -Brussels\n                      -Departure for New York\n                             -National Airport\n                      -Meeting with the President\n\f                                                -41-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 854-25 (cont’d)\n\n                     -Telephone call\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:38 pm.","filename":["854-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"854-024","nextCode":"854-026","transcript":[{"start":0.23,"end":1.31,"text":"Let's go across the community, sir."},{"start":1.37,"end":3.87,"text":"I understand Roosevelt's leaving in one hour for Breslin."},{"start":4.62,"end":5.7,"text":"Would you like me to- Sure."},{"start":5.72,"end":5.98,"text":"Right away."},{"start":6,"end":6.44,"text":"He's a mobile."},{"start":7,"end":10.22,"text":"He'll be going to the Nationals in New York so we can have him."},{"start":10.62,"end":12.8,"text":"And my job ain't to ask him if it's gonna put him out."},{"start":13,"end":15,"text":"He doesn't need to come."},{"start":15.02,"end":17.05,"text":"If he's going to the National Airport, this is almost a commiser."},{"start":17.85,"end":21.67,"text":"If not, I can tell him that I can talk to him on the phone."},{"start":21.71,"end":22.21,"text":"You tell him."},{"start":22.23,"end":23.41,"text":"I just want to say goodbye to him."},{"start":23.43,"end":25.87,"text":"If he'd rather I was talking on the phone."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull coordinate a brief meeting or phone call with Donald Rumsfeld before his departure for Brussels. Nixon expresses a desire to bid Rumsfeld farewell, tasking Bull with determining whether a personal meeting at the National Airport or a telephone call would be more convenient given Rumsfeld’s travel schedule. The discussion serves as a logistical arrangement to facilitate this brief high-level interaction.","topics":["Donald Rumsfeld","Presidential schedule","Logistics","Stephen Bull","White House operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T01:18:57.622Z"},"topicSlugs":["donald-rumsfeld","presidential-schedule","logistics","stephen-bull","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":31,"audioFiles":[{"file":"854-025.mp3","bytes":755084,"durationSec":31.35,"bitrate":192705,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.382Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:48.253Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/854-025.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/854-025","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/854/conversation-854-025","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}