Conversation 854-033

TapeTape 854StartTuesday, February 13, 1973 at 12:55 PMEndTuesday, February 13, 1973 at 1:04 PMParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Rogers, William P.Recording deviceOval Office

On February 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William P. Rogers met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:55 pm to 1:04 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 854-033 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 854-33

Date: February 13, 1973
Time: 12:55 pm - 1:04 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President talked with William P. Rogers.

[See Conversation No. 43-66]

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Well, I just told Steve that, don't let that thing occur to you.
You ought to go on, George.
And I looked at that, yeah, immediate answer.
I looked at the, excuse me, what is the situation, what do I, what does it decide?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Thank you.
get it into anything in terms of a normalization of the relationship.
That's what I think would concern me, though.
If you could cover that, you see, I don't want the Jewish community to go off on a smoke.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Right.
Good.
Good.
I think that's fine.
Fine.
Fine.
No, I saw it this morning in the morning file here, and I assumed it was all right.
So I had a remark that it was okay, whatever it was.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
Good.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right, right, right, that's good.
Well, uh, you, uh, you're gonna leave, uh, very shortly, uh, in Florida.
Right, that's good.
Well, the, uh, I, I, uh, I must say that, uh,
You know, I've seen, heard, I had a rerun, and I haven't seen much about there, but that POW film, I think, is some of the most moving things that we've seen for a long time in this country.
Don't you think?
To think those men have, you know, I, what I heard was their courage, and how they understood, you know, for seven and a half, six and a half, five, we all think we have problems.
And look at those guys.
They stood there with those dirty bastards all that time.
You know, they were extreme.
You know, they didn't get much to eat.
You know, they were walking.
You know, they didn't see anybody in there.
They weren't getting anything.
It was just unbelievable.
You could see their first block were pretty weak, you know.
And the way I tell this, they all reach out and grab that rail and come down, you know.
Yeah.
Oh, sir.
They all...
And then what about the handkerchief, you know, and so forth, or the flag you made?
God bless you.
I talked to...
Of course, the colonel called me, you know, who's a great colonel, I had an ace last night, yesterday, and then this morning, I called his wife, Ned's wife, and Mulligan's wife.
Boy, those people were really great.
Mulligan, Mulligan's wife, she's been up here a while, since 1969, and she said, you know, I just, I just talked to him, and she said, you know, he said, you know, if I could meet you,
The other thing I was going to say to you is that
and say, well, look, I noticed that the magazines that you were talking about, and also some of the others, like Dan Rather said that I was furious when I went to go in there.
Help me.
You were not talking about it.
You were simply stating the position.
And I said that I spoke to them about, I know this is kind of...
Uh, he had to get it right, because I referred to the residence column that morning, which said, uh, he said, the Honorary, he said, we don't hear anymore about that, you know.
But I'll tell you, that was one of the best things that's happened.
You have to go to the, and God damn it, Fraser, Fraser is a son of a bitch.
Yeah.
Well, I'm trying.
Yeah.
Well, you see, the thing is, they don't expect you, you know, you've been gracious to them, you've been decent to them, but you have to get up there and, uh,
I would imagine that you had a deadly reaction to it too.
That scared the evening news and so on.
All three.
All three.
But don't let, don't let the
Did you?
Try it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Try it.
I don't expect them to.
But on the other hand, they cannot make it up and say, what are you going to do to heal the wounds?
Hell, I've been trying to keep the wounds alive.
Who the hell is keeping fighting the city?
You see, who's doing it?
They don't want to say peace with honor.
Well, I've got a right to say it, don't I?
And they want to say they want peace with dishonor.
Fine.
You know?
Well, I just want you to know, don't let it get on your skin.
I have seen today, I've seen him off.
I've seen him off and so forth.
Just so the publicity gets on your skin.
But don't let it irritate you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Stick with it.