{"conversationCode":"855-018","tapeNumber":855,"conversationNumber":18,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-855-018","startDateTime":"1973-02-14T17:23:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-14T17:34:00.000Z","startDate":"14-Feb-1973","startTime":"12:23 PM","endDate":"14-Feb-1973","endTime":"12:34 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Morgan, Edward L.; Bull, Stephen B.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Clawson, James; Clawson, James (Mrs.); Clawson, Courtney; Clawson, Jason B.; Clawson, Brooke A.; Evans, Katherine R.; Evans, Constance R.; Evans, Elizabeth G.; Evans, John F., III; Cashen, Henry C., II; White, Stuart C.; White, Stuart C. (Mrs.);","description":"On February 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Edward L. Morgan, Stephen B. Bull, John D. Ehrlichman, James Clawson, Mrs. James Clawson, Courtney J. Clawson, Jason B. Clawson, Brooke A. Clawson, Katherine R. Evans, Constance R. Evans, Elizabeth G. Evans, John F. Evans, III, Henry C. Cashen, II, Stuart C. White, and Mrs. Stuart C. White met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:23 pm to 12:34 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 855-018 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 855-18\n\nDate: February 14, 1973\nTime: 12:23 pm - 12:34 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Edward L. Morgan, and Stephen B. Bull; the White House photographer\nwas present at the beginning of the meeting.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Thanks for work\n             -Desegregation\n                     -Mississippi\n                            -“Ambassador”\n\n       Morgan’s abilities\n             -Pasadena [?]\n\n       Photographs\n\f                                              -35-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 855-18 (cont’d)\n\nMorgan and the White House photographer left at 12:25 pm.\n\n       President's schedule\n              -Meeting with James Clawson\n                      -Morgan’s deputy\n              -Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft\n                      -Meeting with Adm. Thomas H. Moorer\n                      -Joint Chiefs of Staff [JCS]\n                              -Melvin R. Laird\n                      -Report on prisoners of war [POWs]\n\nJames Clawson, Mrs. James Clawson, Courtney J. Clawson, Jason B. Clawson, Brooke A.\nClawson, John D. Ehrlichman, and the White House photographer entered at 12:25 pm.\n\n       Ehrlichman’s health\n\n       Greetings\n              -Introductions\n\n       Clawson's work at Treasury Department\n             -Morgan’s deputy\n\n       Photographs\n             -Arrangements\n\n       Bussing problems\n              -Morgan\n              -Integration of schools\n\n       Copies of photographs\n\nClawson, et al., left at 12:27 pm.\n\n       President's meeting with John F. Evans and family\n              -Frederick B. Dent\n              -Commerce Department\n              -Job, duties\n                      -Lawyer\n\f                                            -36-\n\n                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 855-18 (cont’d)\n\n                              -New Jersey\n                       -Unemployment\n                       -Veterans problems\n\nJohn F. Evans, Mrs. John F. Evans, Katherine R. Evans, Constance R. Evans, Elizabeth G.\nEvans, John F. Evans III, and the White House photographer entered at 12:27 pm.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Introduction\n              -Evans’s family\n\n       Photograph session\n             -Copies for family\n\n       Appreciation for work\n             -Commerce Department\n             -Hours\n\n       Children’s school\n\nEvans, et al., left at 12:29 pm.\n\n       President's meeting with Henry C. Cashen II\n              -Work with Charles W. Colson at White House\n              -Colson's law firm\n\nHenry C. Cashen II, Mrs. Henry C. Cashen, and the White House photographer entered at 12:29\npm.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Tax lawyer\n\n       New law firm job\n             -Increased salary\n             -Colson\n\f                                             -37-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 855-18 (cont’d)\n\n       Colson’s work at White House\n             -Watergate\n             -Labor\n             -Catholics\n             -Ethnics\n             -President’s gratitude\n\n       Photographs\n             -Copies\n\nCashen, et al., left at 12:31 pm.\n\n       President's meeting with Mrs. Stuart C. (\"Margareta\") White\n              -Herbert G. Klein\n              -United States Information Agency [USIA]\n\nMrs. Stuart C. \"Margareta\" White, Stuart C. White, Suzanne White, and the White House\nphotographer entered at 12:31 pm.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       USIA work\n\n       Photograph session\n             -Arrangements\n\n       Appreciation for work with administration\n\n       Gift for President\n               -Valentine\n\n       White’s new job\n\n       Presidential gifts\n              -Pin\n              -Tricia Nixon Cox\n              -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n\f                                              -38-\n\n                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 855-18 (cont’d)\n\nWhite, et al., left at 12:34 pm.\n\n       Thomas Hart\n            -Age\n            -Work at White House\n            -Meeting with President\n            -Photograph\n\nBull and Ehrlichman left at 12:34 pm.","filename":["855-018.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Morgan, Edward L.","Bull, Stephen B.","Ehrlichman, John D.","Clawson, James","Clawson, James (Mrs.)","Clawson, Courtney","Clawson, Jason B.","Clawson, Brooke A.","Evans, Katherine R.","Evans, Constance R.","Evans, Elizabeth G.","Evans, John F., III","Cashen, Henry C., II","White, Stuart C.","White, Stuart C. (Mrs.)"],"prevCode":"855-017","nextCode":"855-019","transcript":[{"start":26.57,"end":27.03,"text":"Great jobs."},{"start":27.05,"end":42.2,"text":"Great jobs are the skill of determination."},{"start":59.93,"end":66.02,"text":"Great job."},{"start":84.96,"end":100.99,"text":"I'm seeing more alone because I want to establish the procedure right now already from the beginning that I will see it."},{"start":101.03,"end":108.58,"text":"And just tell them I don't want to get a report from you, but I haven't seen him get a report from the DOD."},{"start":108.86,"end":110.14,"text":"That's very nice of you."},{"start":117.06,"end":117.87,"text":"Are you feeling any better today?"},{"start":117.89,"end":118.91,"text":"A little better, yeah."},{"start":118.93,"end":122.81,"text":"My son's worse, but I'm feeling a little better."},{"start":122.85,"end":125.65,"text":"That's the way it goes."},{"start":125.99,"end":130.39,"text":"I'm feeling good."},{"start":131.33,"end":132.57,"text":"It's not worse tomorrow."},{"start":132.59,"end":134.26,"text":"It's not worse last night."},{"start":134.28,"end":134.64,"text":"I know."},{"start":134.66,"end":134.92,"text":"I know that."},{"start":135.16,"end":135.58,"text":"I've seen it."},{"start":135.72,"end":136.12,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":136.24,"end":138.08,"text":"Good to see you, sir."},{"start":138.24,"end":144.02,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":147.37,"end":149.14,"text":"Now you're going over to the training spot."},{"start":176.42,"end":180.96,"text":"If you have any more questions or trouble, you better come back."},{"start":180.98,"end":183.4,"text":"I told Martin this thing with the leg."},{"start":183.42,"end":185.1,"text":"He said, you're the guy who integrated the stoolie."},{"start":185.16,"end":188.48,"text":"He said, well, it's a great job with very great skill and patience."},{"start":188.54,"end":189.2,"text":"We did the job."},{"start":189.22,"end":190.84,"text":"So I'm just talking about it."},{"start":191.02,"end":195.14,"text":"And we didn't care that it was a good mark on it."},{"start":195.16,"end":196.1,"text":"It was a good job."},{"start":196.12,"end":205.06,"text":"So I told Martin, this is a job you're working on making in a bathroom in Mississippi."},{"start":232.4,"end":233.9,"text":"He's going to be a right-hand man in Congress."},{"start":233.96,"end":237.53,"text":"He's going to work in New Jersey."},{"start":238.07,"end":242.07,"text":"He's going to be a right-hand man who's handled unemployment, benefits, and problems."},{"start":243.19,"end":245.55,"text":"Things are going to happen."},{"start":245.57,"end":248.09,"text":"Mr. President, Mr. President, Mr. President."},{"start":248.15,"end":249.55,"text":"Well, we are all here to see you again."},{"start":249.61,"end":252.88,"text":"Don't make sure all of these children talk in the original."},{"start":252.9,"end":255.48,"text":"Some are boys and some are men."},{"start":255.56,"end":257.6,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":257.78,"end":258.72,"text":"I'm out of D.C. You're the oldest."},{"start":258.94,"end":260.6,"text":"You're the first one."},{"start":260.62,"end":261.12,"text":"Yes."},{"start":321.03,"end":327.11,"text":"Well, I appreciate all your work."},{"start":327.21,"end":328.03,"text":"Go to Congress."},{"start":379,"end":386.86,"text":"I know, he'll be in politics in that long term, better yet."},{"start":386.98,"end":387.78,"text":"I agree."},{"start":389,"end":392.05,"text":"I sent him a client the other day."},{"start":392.07,"end":393.19,"text":"That's right."},{"start":393.27,"end":394.77,"text":"I thank you for it."},{"start":394.79,"end":397.71,"text":"I want to have a client on Thanksgiving."},{"start":397.79,"end":399.21,"text":"What are you going to do for me today?"},{"start":399.23,"end":400.41,"text":"That's a very good place."},{"start":400.47,"end":402.19,"text":"He seemed like a friend."},{"start":402.25,"end":404.75,"text":"He's got a lot of action going on."},{"start":406.27,"end":409.69,"text":"he'll find that he can begin to buy us leases and dresses again."},{"start":409.75,"end":409.97,"text":"Sure."},{"start":410.21,"end":411.45,"text":"That's pretty much it."},{"start":411.51,"end":412.87,"text":"He does what he always does."},{"start":413.09,"end":414.5,"text":"Oh, he's just telling you cheaper than anything."},{"start":414.54,"end":415.18,"text":"That's what he said."},{"start":416,"end":416.66,"text":"That's what he said."},{"start":417.42,"end":419.5,"text":"He said you were a politician."},{"start":419.66,"end":420.5,"text":"That's what he always said."},{"start":420.52,"end":424.38,"text":"But even as I told John when he took off, he said, no, I'm just going to crush you."},{"start":424.42,"end":430.83,"text":"So, listen, that has been very important."},{"start":430.85,"end":433.13,"text":"I appreciate everything you've done and all that."},{"start":439.99,"end":440.69,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":440.83,"end":442.34,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":442.76,"end":443.16,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":443.2,"end":443.54,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":443.6,"end":443.76,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":503.36,"end":514.04,"text":"I appreciate all of that."},{"start":546.75,"end":547.85,"text":"Well, isn't that nice?"},{"start":547.93,"end":549.46,"text":"That is."},{"start":549.65,"end":550.91,"text":"I appreciate it."},{"start":552.66,"end":552.88,"text":"All right."},{"start":552.94,"end":556.62,"text":"We have two."},{"start":556.64,"end":556.96,"text":"Well, let's see."},{"start":557.1,"end":561.92,"text":"We've got to get her a book."},{"start":564.12,"end":565.26,"text":"We've got to look at that."},{"start":565.34,"end":567.16,"text":"We'll raise it up."},{"start":576.16,"end":577.77,"text":"There it is."},{"start":577.79,"end":578.55,"text":"There it is."},{"start":579.37,"end":579.83,"text":"There it is."},{"start":614.21,"end":616.88,"text":"and the CEO of the President of the United States."},{"start":616.9,"end":617.69,"text":"We just give a very special"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon held a series of brief meetings in the Oval Office to express personal appreciation and host photo sessions for various administration officials, their families, and departing staff members. 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