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Thanks to you for having me.

Right, I'm covered today.

It's not as far.

I don't think I'll brief you except through the briefing that we have to give.

and also with good pastor you see good pastor and that's really about it there's no particular issue that is overriding today but I need guidance

Well, Reed, Reed, I mean, they, uh, they, uh, we'd get them closeted.

It wouldn't be a feather shed.

Well, no, but I mean, I guess it's, it's, it's a frog.

I have one point to make, but it shows that, uh, Mrs. Nixon was telling me that she had, uh,

I didn't know that.

I saw it at the start.

It was over at .

There was a big picture.

you can understand how the star and the poster would not play out in her events.

And they blacked out most of them.

If it were a Washington story, it should.

There wasn't a state in the poster.

Which makes it rather useless.

By the way, I think it's something that we should do in Washington.

But you ought to watch it and see how it goes.

I see that the story is getting through with regard to our side.

Oh, yes, sir.

Last night, I don't know if you didn't have an opportunity to see it, but that didn't came through again, Mr. President.

Do you hear what he said?

Aren't you reading the news, Henry?

I read it.

I read the news.

About the whistling, the signal?

He said that toward the end, we had low signals that we were about to achieve a peace with honor.

He said we were about to achieve a peace with honor.

Use of peace with honor.

There's no greater impact to get on that particular point than the guy getting off and talking about sitting in the prison camps, quietly whistling, California, here we come, because the president of the war felt we were about ready to achieve a peaceful peace.

It's an honor.

It's a great honor.

It makes it more difficult for the rest of us to go there, et cetera.

But in quotes, it says that.

Got further play last night from Tom Darrow on raising the flags to full staff.

Well, also, that's great.

That raised good pictures.

Right.

It's a good play that Tom put up, especially showed the flags going up in the early morning.

Very dramatic.

Well, I'm going to work every month.

What was your judgment around that?

Was it worth doing that?

I live on that.

You said very good.

It got on ABC, I saw it on ABC and got it on, I saw it on NBC, CBS because, who requested it, because they screwed up in their communications, and I'm sure they did.

It wasn't on, but it's still, they'll still use it, but it doesn't matter because it made ABC and NBC, and it was good the way it played in, and it showed.

They've reported on the radio speech.

The picture was excellent.

What is your judgment on these sort of ragged stories?

I saw a lady in a cold car here yesterday.

I'm sorry about that.

Where are you going?

I'm sorry.

But what is that all about?

How many times have you rushed around and talked to people and so forth and so on?

You know what I mean?

What do you think of that?

Well, I don't think it matters.

It doesn't matter what it means.

These were the people who were reported because it was isolated and so forth.

So now they've got to switch to the other side.

I'm not part of anything at all.

So I think that's all it is.

Oh, I'm not concerned about it.

I just don't.

I think it's great.

Because it takes them off balance again.

I think you walking over to Trader Vic's the other night was great to do.

I really do.

I had a gun thing today.

You go to Freedon, son.

Right.

I know this is my home.

I put you on it.

I saw there.

The purpose, actually, is to get a first-hand.

No, I won't.

As to what we're going to do.

I believe that the White House has been flooded with suggestions as to how these events should be recognized.

The President is actually trying to choose to submit recommendations as to how they should be recognized.

We must discuss that.

Also, businesses, if you don't mean annually,

It's just a matter of .

You see the question, some of these men are in the president's honor.

I want to say that some may not understand this.

One time rate of $5 a day is enough.

The question has been raised.

Is he going to go to other departments from time to time?

Yes.

Oh, let me see.

I was going to suggest, too, that if I had a canopy tomorrow, you could say, well, we've rehearsed.

I'd be sure to knock down a river in the proper country, the idea of .

Thank you.

I had a conference call with an organization.

The same one you used after .

Yeah.

And .

OK. Well, one thing I think is it could be a very good idea.

I marked it in the .

And I see there have been wires from all over the world.

I don't know, maybe this is the better day, or it's tomorrow's the better day, or it's the weekend type of thing.

These are wires that really go off and talk about your career and all that bullshit.

We could move with the day.

I've got a good time.

How was it for you to do that?

Just say it's...

So it doesn't look too obvious.

There are wires over there.

You've got wires all the way through.

Campbell's here.

Here's the sample.

He said they're all very, very positive.

Very positive.

Here's the samples.

I caught you.

The wires.

Yeah.

The networks.

Wires and networks.

Don't you be interested.

The thing about this is that Iran, as I've tried to emphasize before, I mean, earlier than the rest, all of it mired down.

You've got the people, the environment, and it's very important.

It's not important.

You know, if I can't emphasize it, probably nobody gives a shit.

They don't get ridiculous when something else is going on.

Big story.

that's the job that's not the best way, one of the best ways to honor these is to see that they do good jobs and that's also, and also

I think that story is playing well, don't you?

Yes, sir.

I noticed that you said that Henry and Chris, they were holding a press conference when you returned.

I'm not sure that I quite want to do that.

I want him to do a briefing, maybe.

Well, I was referring to out here in the .

Yeah, but I was referring to the session in the briefing room.

You wouldn't want him to do that?

Well, I think what you said was fine, but I just want you to be sure not to get it too far off.

Good.

The part that Walter said, for example, and I'm, you know, up around that one.

Because I think that's one that I probably want to handle.

Good.

Basically, because the selling of this day curve is

he had just so you have the full base of information on this he mentioned in the cable that he sent me that he planned to have a press conference

And I'll see you earlier tonight.

CBS really blew their men's program last night, all the way down the line.

Right.

How's that?

Well, they missed on me.

the statement.

They missed on the communique.

They had peace.

Well, they had, I think, communication problems.

They maybe had a little internal problems in their news .

Then they put together, as Dan Rather, who was, I think, embarrassed by the contacts that Dan Rather learned today, the relations with the PRC are proceeding along.

more rapidly than assisting, surprised by that, which is .

Oh, one thing I wanted to cover with .

Did he have the cable from Henry that Henry planned to have at the press conference when he returned from his trip?

Did he go wrong?

That isn't what I have in mind.

I think that I have to make the first statement with regard to this program for North Vietnam.

This is going to be one of the toughest sales we've ever made.

And if Henry goes out there whirling around, you know, for an hour and a half, if he will, you know, about the processing, all that sort of thing, and what's that bomb bomb like, and so forth, it's going to be one, it'll be a goddamn one, but it is happening.

Really good.

As far as the state of those concerned, it would be great to press a lot of them.

But you've talked to you before about this press service, maybe not one word, or even the intonation of none, nothing.

See, I'm planning a cable, but I am planning a press conference.

We can move forward, shall we?

I'm not planning a television press conference, Chris.

I've got to get this thing first.

it's an interesting point because i've assumed that the cable he said that he had notified the north vietnam that he would have the press conference i thought that had been checked i assumed that the joint communication the joint communication run through the uh

There's no problem on that.

Okay.

There's been no discussion.

So the press conference is either that something he said in the back of this went unraised or that something has evolved as he starts thinking about coming home and what he's going to do.

That's what he did.

No, I mean, they told him, aren't they?

I mean, they thought he was coming home.

They already told him and committed him.

That's the problem.

Well, I don't think he read it.

The thrust was not that he committed to it, but he said he had told them that he would have a press conference.

That's the wrong way to put it.

Wait, is he still getting back the 19?

He gets back the 20,000, because he's still

Please document it up here.

He said he may have.

I've got it.

Well, if he didn't get off of it, he will.

Yes, sir.

He'll go back around and read it and put it that way.

Well, I just want to refer to it.

I'll say we'll just, at some point, I wouldn't commit to it.

I'll say we'll see how it works out.

Yeah.

Just say it.

It's got to depend on the situation.

It's not a mystery for him to come out.

The other thing is that if he comes back and has a press conference, he doesn't recognize it.

That'll stick it right up the ass of the Congress.

Yeah, you understand?

You've got to read the president.

You've got to read the leader.

I mean, the candidate.

You've got to read the Congress.

And I could probably say that.

But I just want you to keep it a little bit loose.

Yes, sir.

It was now on the Pentagon thing.

Somebody had an idea, which is very well mentioned, but it's wrong, that I would go moseying down to the command center where they're taking calls and all that sort of thing.

That's grandstanding.

I won't do that.

I just don't like the feel of that.

I'm there for business purposes.

I'm not grandstanding.

Everybody who picked that up is grandstanding.

The purpose of this is to talk about jobs for veterans.

Various subjects have been raised by people who have been able to do summary and arresting.

a proper way of recognizing it.

The withdrawal of our forces, the enforcement of the ceasefire, is a good run along with other subjects.

Okay, but no grandstanding.

Now, how about the, I don't want to have a press conference over there.

How do we handle that?

What do you think we should do?

I've normally not said something as I left, but I don't want to set up so formally

No, we can do it like we've always done.

We'll have them off to the side.

As you walk out the exit, if you want to drop over and say something, fine.

And then I got me there, and I just cut it off.

And they start moving into questions.

Or you just say thanks and walk away.

Is that all right to set it up that way?

I'll have them at the side.

That's right.

I'll think of something.

I'll probably, when that time's up, I'll read something briefly.

And then we got out of line, and another thing, he didn't submit, but Dan communicated with me before he put it out.

You know, I had a lot to hear about that.

And, uh, I went around, and he had a big book of trouble.

But he's, uh, he can't.

on that particular subject.

But he can't know about it.

He can't sell it on that.

That isn't the right thing either.

Or what do you think?

Did you have the same feeling?

I didn't.

When you raised it just now, it was the first time.

Did he stand on a press conference?

No, sir.

Did he stand on a press conference?

It's interesting, this vision of his has been very much non-focused on history.

I don't know whether he realizes it or not.

Because what's come up has come up more as a substantive stuff than as a kiss of tears for a portion of the company.

Let's go across there in a minute, please.

When you see my concern, I just can't have him come back and have a big press conference.

We're going to have a new policy very soon.

I don't know why, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I've got to step up and do that.

And I think the ideal time to do it is probably last year, actually.

I mean it.

That's our subject, you see.

Even though it has some negatives, which it does.

You can handle it better.

In a way, it's better for you to handle it.

It's like Schultz was on the earth.

I don't know how to stick to political people anymore.

God damn this thing.

Oh.

I want an invitation.

It's terribly, terribly important.

They've got to work.

They've got to work over the weekend to do it.

I want the invitations to the church to go out.

Right now, everything's at both meetings at church, so we cover all of it.

Come in.

That's all right.

Come on in.

It's nice.

You never hesitate to come in.

Uh...

So I had the idea.

more of the idea of a ribbon.

I said that they described a ribbon more because we should hand the presidential citation.

I forgot if we got a scat about a presidential citation in World War II.

They're pretty cheap.

We can make this a kind of special.

But you described a ribbon, and I would consider putting a star on it.

Yes.

The other thing is jobs.

A lot of these guys are going to have some more room back in the service.

Some may not.

I'm going to put this out here.

Bob, you did speak to it earlier, but we've been handling some jobs for a better group on next summer.

We will find out.

But I was wondering if we would bring that to California.

Let's get it in right now, all right?

If they can get in this afternoon.

It would be a very good thing before the, you know, you know, maybe that would miss the, you know, get the captain tomorrow.

This will make more use of the captain to get him in tomorrow.

Do that with the captain.

Right after the captain.

The point is that I want them in, and then I'm going to have them go out and say that we want, we should plan out the progress of both jobs for all Vietnam veterans, but then I have to give specific direction.

Each one of these men is going to have a personal, and I hope and hope, personal responsibility.

Each one of these men gets a job once.

You've got to do it.

They've got to be treated separately.

The great problem is going to be they're being treated so separately.

Well, I know that they're going to get a hell of a lot, and I'm willing to show it the other way.

They're going to take the job, and you shouldn't do this.

I know, because they don't credit it.

But for getting credit, substantively, there's no problem.

He said, Oh, you know, there are only 400 jobs involved, something that cars and everything else was there.

But in here, everybody's got the best to help.

Let's say that's a great job.

And many of them ought to stay in service.

That's right.

We need these people in the service.

They're national heroes now.

God damn it.

We need him.

You should you should make that point, too.

That's right, though.

Of course, he wasn't the return.

What service?

Those are their life.

Right.

The

It's always the case after each war that people come back and get all kinds of surgeries, all sorts of surgeries in about one year.

Now, how do we let this happen to these guys?

It's clear also, I think, just watching on TV that these guys, while they are in better shape than we hoped, they are, they've got problems.

They do.

Oh, yes.

They've got emotional problems.

They've got emotional problems and they've got physical problems.

They're really, they're so thin, they've been so beaten up.

What they're doing is, one guy said, we're riding in a wave of euphoria.

But here they are.

And when they get back, they've had this great moment.

It's like any kind of a battle.

They're going to have one hell of a lifetime.

One hell of a lifetime.

They're going to get psychiatric help.

You know, everything like that.

A lot of them are going to find their goddamn wives will divorce them.

They can't get away with their kids.

That's it.

They're going to have all come back, all of them with short haircuts.

They're going to see these assholes running around, including their own kids, dirty, scrawny.

And the first time they go to television, they're going to be shocked.

Because in six years, they've let all the pornographies come on television and then the movies.

Well, sure.

Their 13-year-old daughter is going to be sitting in a dinner table and say, bullshit.

And the guy's going to die.

Fuck you.

And I heard the word shit said by a woman.

That's right.

That citation, if you go that way, could be done also posthumously or however you do it for the MIAs, couldn't it?

So that it would tie them in, too?

No.

An MIA is just like 45,000 have died.

Really?

Sure.

Well, they had to sweat it out.

Well, no, no.

They don't know that they were prisoners.

An MIA is somebody who was shot down and probably dead.

You just can't put an MIE.

I thought of that, too.

But an MIE is one who was shot down and was not recorded as .

Then you get to the 45,000 that died.

Well, I think we need to think of something we can appropriately do for MIE families.

That's my point.

Well, that was my point.

Families have waited, but you can't do it with a man, a citation.

He endured.

You don't know what the hell he did.

He lost his life.

He was shot his ass off right before he ever dropped.

I'll be in on anything.

I guess you just got to do what presidential letter.

Yeah.

I think it was another business.

I would have prepared and have price work.

And that would let it be.

But the families of all the MIAs, they come home.

And our joy is the fact that your husband or father or something is in the house.

I think we're going to, yes.

As soon as she comes, I want to get her to ask if they want to come together.

you're going to take it off to her for defending me.

Well, would you want this as an interim measure?

Because, of course, we haven't really begun the accounting for the missing men.

Some of them, there may be a few more people to knock.

There's a whole lot of questions still.

Why don't I call Mrs. Johnson, or call Tom Johnson, and offer to send down or make available to them some correspondence specialists for a couple of weeks to clear up their backlog of death mail for them.

And in turn, see if we can get that girl's life.

Well, we'll send it out for a month, they'll say.

It takes a month.

That mail is banned.

And then, as the library guy was saying, they just put everybody in order.

Put the send-and-bounce and correspondence specialists.

But down out of the White House and the hell out of the departments.

What do you mean, departments?

I said something out of the State Department.

We have one rather particular problem here.

Ziegler said yesterday in a news conference that we'd have a news conference when he returned.

And that'd be a very great error.

And due to the fact, I don't want you to tell him this at the moment, but I want you to tell him so that we can.

The problem is that we got a, this is one of the toughest sales we're ever gonna have.

to sell this business to the Asian or Vietnam.

Henry could read one, but he couldn't.

He couldn't sell an apple to a starving man.

He just won't do it.

He just don't know how.

And so consequently, I had to fight that bullet myself.

And I'll have to go out and make that first statement.

And then Henry can burgle around and fill in on the process and all that sort of thing.

and so forth and so on, which is all important, but it had to settle.

So I'm going to have to probably do that in the background.

The other thing I was going to ask you about is that on the communique that was issued, I was rather surprised that I didn't get a copy of it.

Did you get it beforehand?

Did we know about it?

Yes, I just, that's my error.

He did send it to me.

It's probably all right.

I just want to be sure.

I just want to be sure that we're not in a situation where things are extremely touching on this state.

And Henry doesn't realize this.

I've told him several times this is not happening.

This is not believably done.

In reality, it's so necessary, et cetera, et cetera.

That doesn't make any difference.

You've got a tough practical problem and an even tougher emotional problem.

You know, one hell of a lot of people

Well, the P.O.W.

is the first guy to make it, I know that.

The P.O.W.

is going to make it infinitely more difficult.

If these guys come back and begin to tell their horrors, they're going to be manacled with prison and arrest.

And they say, give aid to these sons of bitches.

You see my point?

And there's no consumption of that whatever, none whatever, believe me.

And therefore, he'll never be able to sell it.

Bob, do you agree or not?

Yes, sir.

Chiefs today, too long to do the best they can to deal with other issues.

Unless someone causes, at least shoving up, about, not about their injuries, but about eight or nine.

Yes.

Guarantee of peace, not for the purpose of reconstruction, not for the reasons the man feels the press want to do it.

We're saying, you can call them the press, but damn, just to check something.

over these pastures so they don't do this again.

It's the only lever we have.

It's the only lever we've got, nothing else.

And Jonathan said this morning that probably God is in any effort on a bilateral lake that, you know, when we go to multilateral, that basically defeats our purpose.

That throws away the lever, really.

And that, Congress, is ready for a bilateral where he thinks they're going to fight it.

He must be able to write from this moment.

That's a positive thing.

He must not go in there negatively.

No, that's a negative stuff.

This is going to be a positive line, absolutely essential.

The only way, the only lever we can have, the only way, the only chance we have to keep the peace there, sure, but we're insisting that other nations help it, so forth and so on.

But the United States would be foolish to just have it mulled out.

There's no restraint on these people.

If we're about to put up our money, let's have a hook on it.

I probably didn't encourage anybody.

Sure.

They were talking about that.

My point is,

The Congress, gentlemen, should move away from mobile adelaide, period, because it doesn't help us, the World Bank, and the rest of everybody.

What we want to do is to keep it bilateral so that it can be linked to their actions in Cambodia, Laos, and South Vietnam.

That's what this game is all about.

So I'll explain the difference.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, uh, the other thing that I, uh, I didn't open a lot of cable and everything.

I'm giving, having a reason.

Yeah.

Right.

You'd be pleased to hear that.

Yeah.

You know, I had to, I had to tell the president that he is arranged to have a meeting with Captain Frank so that if this is not done before you return, it does not, uh, uh, get, uh, uh, so that your meeting can be considered that way.

What time does he get back on Tuesday?

Should be around noon.

You want to try and do a cabinet meeting with him?

No, hell no.

No.

I think we've got the cabinet.

You see, that's what I'm really trying to do.

Let me say why you all know.

The point is, Bob, that frankly, the cabinet is pure therapy.

Not this thing.

This is basically maybe NSC.

Maybe NSC on a very tightly held basis, because he's got to tell how these people are like, and you can't do all that if you can't listen to the NSC man.

That's best.

Don't you agree with me?

You see the problem?

Yeah, I do.

You can't go in and babble around because Jesus didn't ever come in.

I'm a strong church.

They don't want to know what's happening.

They do what?

Say, bam, bom, bom.

That's a nice man.

But anyway, it's too complicated for them.

We'll tell the captain in the proper time.

I'll cover the evening.

That's all they need to know anyway.

Henry does have to, for viewers, we've got to get something up to

ask you to do what you want to do, but you've got to get them to start figuring how we peddle and save them.

From a dollar standpoint, I mean, the sales pitch, I've already told them to do it.

It's got to be smaller than it is.

But you've got to, even that is a problem, which is you've got to work with Roy on it.

Now you do because we've made the pitch that it can't be, and so when we do it, we've got to add the rationalization.

The first year.

I don't, even the first year, we made a pitch at 74.

Defense doesn't have anything in it for Vietnam at present speed.

Well, we can just say that these arrangements have gone on better than we had hoped.

Yeah.

And we're going to be able to do it.

We got it.

That should be handled with passion.

Well, I don't want to forget that.

That's right.

But it should be moved quickly because all our heat on now is, and they're going to get some headway with it if we let them build it up after it gets back, is that we're talking about reparations for North Vietnam to be taken out of social programs in the U.S. We're taking away from the poor people here to beat the communists in.

That's it.

trying to get around.

Because Henry, if you were asked that question, would it say that if you go on the longest period, it's my age, or that it's irrelevant?

Because it's irrelevant.

It's highly relevant to the substance.

Irrelevant to the sale.

The worst thing Henry could do at this point is try to come back and say,

because they'll be impressing people.

Well, they'd be glad to do it for other reasons.

You'll want to figure that's the way to get along because it's hot and cold.

You know, right now, right now, talking about those leaders and anything but highly cold terms.

He's not going to comment on that.

He's just got a very businesslike discussion and so forth.

Not to say that we have teeth.

The country doesn't need to know what the conservative guys are like yet.

They needed to know what Joe and Lyle was like.

That was a different pitch.

No, I agree.

As a matter of fact, can't be taken on the defense .

The 74 budget, well, that did include the assumption that we would be out of Vietnam.

It did not include the assumption that we would be out of Laos.

Is that probably correct?

I'll have to check that.

Laos costs $300 million a year.

We can do a little bit more.

There's hope.

question of being able to do it.

There is need for Henry to be willing to share with the people who have got a pedal on some of the, you know, what he needs to do.

He's got to sit down with Roy, and Roy can be damned helpful if he'll use him.

And he'll do what he's told him.

He doesn't have to give him the background advice to give us the line.

Okay, you go over with me, and I'm going to take a cigarette, too.

Where are you?

5-7-0-8-9-0.

Perfect.

See you at the action.

Are you ready for 10 minutes?

Yes.

Thank you.

General O, I'm telling you that the purpose of going to the Pentagon

I think we're going in there and deciding things that he wasn't sitting at all.

Right.

President, why don't you go over and get to the board of directors?

Yeah.

First of all, I don't know if this is about something else.

I believe he is.

It is a domestic.

All right.

But do you believe I believe that he has a point at 10 o'clock?

If you'd like to go ahead.

Well, I'll see you in the Saturday afternoon.

I think he expected that anyway.

Oh, what do you have here?

All right.

Bill, we're going to have a... We're going to have... We're going to have... On the...

The evening of the 3rd, the evening of the White House, it's going to be somebody... And can we get...

and for Congress or something, it should be up to the legislative and so forth, right?

And a church on the 4th.

And on the evening of the 17th, we're going to have an evening at the White House.

A church in the evening.

Now, on that evening at the White House, you can figure that you say it seats 300 people.

To get the exact number, it's pretty close to 300.

Well, you've got a figure that you have 175 total.

175.

So that would be 80 couples, 85 couples.

I'll take it to 200.

I'll figure 100 couples.

All right.

100 couples.

They won't all come anyway.

I'll figure 100 couples.

Now, the church, you can also figure...

a bigger 100 couples there for that, too.

Each church, each evening.

The purpose is to get in for the evening.

The churches are first.

All the loyals that you're having, they will be invited.

But in addition to that, I particularly want them on the first evening, or these invitations must go out.

You've got to have all the Republicans.

Right.

You've got to have them from the House and the Senate.

Everybody.

At evening, at either an evening or a church.

Now, you can see where you put some of the people in the church.

You put other people in the evening.

And, uh, do you have a mic?

Yes.

No duplication.

Nobody's to come to vote.

Uh, uh, when you don't want to duplicate the ones that have already been to the state senators, or to the gubernatorial.

That's right.

No, go to Mayer and stay there.

People should eat in Mayer.

The people over at those, not even Bill, not even the leaders or anything like that, but I'm eating to the churches.

Everybody that's been anything up to this point is not included now.

This is going right on.

The only thing that you double up on is for the loyalists.

They come because their wives will not have anything.

And we can bring freshmen back to this now.

They haven't made a record of loyalty, but we can pretty much figure.

Well, the freshmen should come.

They have a reception, too, of course.

We have a reception for the freshmen, but I think we ought to be here.

Don't you think so?

I put it this way.

I would have the Republican freshmen, but not the immigrants.

Right?

Or the ones, you got a couple of Democratic freshmen that are better than Republicans.

Well, I do, you know, I repeat on none, you know, repeat on them, two or more, repeat on, repeat on Democratic freshmen.

Of those guys you're building.

That are, that we want to build up, just repeat on them, but leave off the, leave off the others.

Crazy.

You got, you and Congress, and they allow us to, you know, try to invite a couple of Blacks in over there and try to do that.

Now, all the Democrats, what to include, I'll be damned if I don't.

Well, we have, in the House particularly, some of the guys that put it with us on REAP the other day, for example, and... Oh, all of those, yes.

But you've got to move over the Democrats to a few springboards.

And a few of the Democrats who have been against us, you know, the decent against.

Uh-huh.

And, uh, do you understand?

Yes.

The decent against.

I mean, just the guys who aren't there who have been against.

So I have a hundred couples for all, total.

Let me, for each event, total 400.

We've got 400 couples.

That's us.

That'd be great.

If I said too many, there's only 200 total.

400 couples.

So you have this advantage through the Congress.

That's the Congress.

We get all our good guys.

It does it because you've got 135 up there at least.

You wouldn't have to go out with people.

Except I always want to have the Democrats.

DSG.

Three or four of them.

The guys that are just halfway decent.

Promote Udall.

I'd always tell Udall, he will support us on something.

Any one of the people out of the Democratic study group that supported us on some occasion haven't.

Do you know what I mean?

It's just the absogs and that type of thing.

You don't have the absogs.

You don't have the people that have just gone beyond the pale.

You don't have McGovern, for example.

He should not be included.

I trust you saw the delightful news that Regal is changing parties.

I heard that.

This brings up Saxey.

Sure.

Oh, absolutely.

Church worship service?

No.

No?

Yeah.

Amen.

You've got to have some senators in the church service.

Yeah.

And let it come a little bit behind you.

What do you think?

He's lucky to get in.

I would think the church service, the worship service is better.

All right, fine.

He's doing the eating.

I think that's good.

And a lot of our guys don't.

Yeah.

They don't eat.

It's fine.

Fine, fine.

That's right.

You've got to determine.

They put them down to the worship service.

And the same with Percy.

Let him come to church instead of eating.

Okay, shall I send these to Rosemary or Lucy?

You want one?

I don't want you to redo it.

Just send her to Rose for getting the invitations out.

You'll make the decision.

It's all yours.

But the main thing is to get them in, and if you would drop in, who prepares the ribbon?

She prepares the ribbon, and then the invitations are done by the social office.

Just don't bypass Rose.

No, no, no.

She's got to be told that.

Okay, you're set.

He's anxious to try to get it out on Monday so that before we get into all this stuff next week, we get the information.

Okay, so I'll get it out.

We do put it down on the 3rd for an evening and the 4th for a church.

And the 17th for an evening and the 18th for a church.

These are some of the most popular.

You got it.

Now, my purpose of this is to mainly do congressmen and senators, so that we can get them all in on a social event, right?

So I've given Bill, I told him, I have a hundred problems with each one, each event, and he's not speaking to me.

Like, for example, with...

Right, yeah, and some are going, yes, some are going to be people that are good.

Like, we'll get down to some people that are against us, but we have to.

So, let's not get money.

So, mainly we're trying to cover the whole country, except for the real crisis.

That's 200, sure.

So, that means leaving only 100, I'd say, investment for other people.

The other 100 will be

And the evens, the other 100, should be for financial contributors.

Now, the way that's going to be handled is, and there are 830s, the way that's going to be handled will work out with the spans at all.

Dinners will be held, small dinners for the financial contributors.

Yeah, if we can get, I hope we can get 300, if we can.

Now, on the church, on the church ones, on the church ones for the 100 extras,

Those should be basically people in Washington, some administrative assistants, and people that are new to the government.

You see what I mean, like assistant secretary types.

And there are appointees.

But on that, you just decide.

Or you can just ask people around who are

Right, fine.

If I want to, I want to.

Well, Tennant is working on a list of mediums in the crash cases, and we want these to go out for reasons.

They have to work over the weekend.

They've got to get them out.

So he'll get the list for you today.

He should have a list for you today and bust them right out, because we're going to also invite some congressmen to something else.

And we're loyalists, and we just don't want it to be too obvious to the parents that we're only having our loyalty.

Because that loyalty is going to be next week.

So that's why this has to be done.

So when it comes in, as I say, I've got the total legitimacy and that he knows who we need.

So that's when he gets a schweiger on there because we need him on a certain vote.

And that's the way it works.

Okay.

In fact, all the Republicans are being invited except Regal, who's become an immigrant now.

Okay.

Fine.

Okay.

I was wondering if it's a possibility that...

Some of this was about .

It said that I just wonder, as of now, all the tracks run directly to that.

She called Duncan in.

She couldn't believe this was being done to him, that she was going to tell you about it, because she knew it was being done without your knowledge.

With Duncan, because nothing was being done to him, immediately reported back to Ed Morgan.

She had a...

Birthday party for Takash Sunday night at her house in San Clemente, at which Bob Taylor was present, as well as a half a dozen other people, and a Monday night when she was drinking heavily on the plane.

The whole Secret Service story was filed by Helen Thomas at 2.40, and it was brought to Thomas.

That's all.

I can't confirm that.

I'm trying to stay out of it.

I'm trying to confirm it because she'll find out.

She went into jail and said, I can't believe that they've done this to you and that all of them would turn on you like this.

And I know that the president doesn't know what's being done here.

And Julie wrote me a little note before she left that said she had read the stories and so forth.

And I just have a hunch on her note that it had taken place.

See, Julie was back there with Rose on the plane all the time, so she would have the other thing to believe, I think, that was she drinking.

Yeah.

The other thing is that, however, that I had mentioned that we do take care of it.

At this point we are a little vulnerable.

Do you remember I said both Taylor and Duncan should come in and say goodbye and all that sort of thing.

The other reason I'm wondering is she has held up the farewell letter.

She won't sign it.

I'm just kind of curious.

Well, I'll sign it.

Because you said you wanted letters, you know, very nice letters done, which were done.

And they...

So I can't find that.

I've been trying to be careful not to snoop around.

Oh, there were.

Remember, I knew I ordered the letters, and I wonder what became of them.

Supposedly, I thought they'd gone out.

I find out they didn't.

Well, they should come to me.

They did, too, very much so.

There's, there's, it is only Roe's I don't think.

I might say somebody, maybe she and Taylor and some of them got going on.

Takashi could if he would confirm what the problem is.

Maybe because he was at, there was a party for Takashi.

Taylor, Taylor is a, you know, that's a very strange case that we're really being had on it.

I don't, Ross tried to put the story out, he stole it.

It's not, it's one of those things, it's a Washington story.

Most people don't care about it.

I just don't like it any of the other things, you know, because it creates

an idea that we're heartless and don't give a shit about people and all that sort of thing.

It's not true at all.

In this case, especially with this, we've gone just the other way.

But God damn it, what life is about the letter?

Shall I send a memo to somebody and say, where's the letter?

I don't know.

It's two weeks ago.

We're watching what's the score.

It's Steve.

He won't use it.

Don't go in there again.

Sure.

Just say, we're going in there.

Yeah.

We do check for the turban to see if there's a turban.

I directed some letters to be prepared to Duncan and Taylor.

I haven't seen them.

I asked them where the hell they are.

I told him that it's his responsibility to find where they are and get them in to me so that I can sign them.

I directed that they be prepared a week ago.

I just want to know where they are.

That's right.

Turbans.

Rose probably basically is better than some drink in that respect.

And for her to call Jim, Jesus Christ, the way she knocks him out, it's unbelievable.

She called him in.

She went into his office.

I want to see them myself.

Did you go in and talk to her about it or not?

No.

When should you?

I don't know.

I thought I should, and Earl told me I shouldn't, so I didn't.

Oh, I didn't know.

Earl was in charge of marketing.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

It's just, you know, it's a strange thing, that whole thing.

We didn't get the announcement out, which we should have done, but the reason we did this is because we were holding up for Taylor to decide what he wanted to do.

We've been screwed for eight nights.

He finally decided to say, yeah.

But he won't have a secret service.

Guys are very disturbed about it and want to help and all that, but there's a goddamn nap that...

I'm not going to get into these goddamn fights again.

That's what Rose can't understand.

I don't want to get into this.

Well, I know this idea that they knew Julie about it of all people.

They didn't have very much like her.

They were very...

They liked her, and I don't blame them.

I like them, too.

But...

But Duncan is dead.

Great.

She's written the law.

Duncan's doing what he wants.

What Miranda wants.

I mean, on Pat Hitt, after we decided that Pat Hitt died, I remember early on.

He died.

He's no seeker.

He stands here with my Miranda.

What the hell?

That's what the saddest war, Bob.

I mean, I have to...

I don't know what the crisis matter is, but apparently it finishes the one that stirred her up on Hitt.

Now, what the hell's the matter with him?

He knows how to ask.

He did.

He talked to me about it.

He talked about it.

I didn't talk to him.

I don't know what it is.

That's fine.

I'll look at that.

I'd kind of like to talk to him myself.

I don't see the order in this.

You've got to raise this thing.

But there are certain instances.

I just want to be sure you know what they are.

Ed Markey?

Yes.

What about Taylor?

We've been working with him on trying to work out a deal.

Is it a promotion or not?

It's a lottery vote.

It's not a promotion.

Technically, it's the same as the pay grade.

He's having a bigger division.

The only reason it's not a promotion is because there's no grade above the open that it would be if there were.

He was offered a portion of the treasury and another protective investment.

I'll say give him a shot at getting the record.

Give him a shot at a higher job.

Well, Duffin says clearly he'd give him a shot at a job.

Taylor says he'd give him a shot at a higher job.

Now, on the other hand, Taylor might be doing a double gain here.

I think he's struggling with this.

I'll keep these letters.

You want to get a full file, I'll make space quickly.

Why don't you sign them?

I'll sign them, I'm crying.

You better know that Bob will be here in a second.

I don't know who the hell else was.

I don't see any service.

Taylor went to your family, as you know.

I guess he didn't know what he wanted to hear.

He said he was leaving.

He wasn't going to ruin his whole life.

He was trying to get a passion to leave.

He did it on private places and directly, rather than running it through the service office, said that we were probably making some changes that, you know, that Bob had been on this thing for six years, that it was obviously tying up with other changes being made for him to move up in this office.

And we had explored, you know, we sent it to the court administrators

He pointed out there was no higher rank in the Secret Service available at this time, and there wasn't even a lateral rank heading into that other division, which would actually be a promotion because he's running something.

And so what I would suggest, if you're willing to move out of the Secret Service, would be to come into one of the other Treasury enforcement areas where we can give you a promotion and move up.

And it would give you a chance to move into an other group that you can communicate if you want to.

Well, Taylor said no, and I shifted her out.

The thing I want you to get .

I'm sitting here with my mom, and you know, we all love that.

I appreciate it very smart.

Yeah, it's pretty important.

The thing about her job, Bench had it wrong in his time.

He said that took her a job away from her or something like that.

Bullshit.

We just took a lot of jobs away from people.

I mean, we were reorganizing together.

That's what we didn't even, I don't think we knew what was happening.

Yeah.

Second point.

That's what Jack did.

Second point.

Yeah.

had been offering.

But then Pat apparently whined and bitched because, according to Finch's thing, there was only a possibility of her getting action.

I talked to her yesterday, and it is not only a possibility.

He said, we've been talking very directly about it.

There wasn't much question about her getting action.

John Price is not aware.

John was talking directly to her, as I understand it.

Why is she?

It's this bitching thing that gets me.

All right.

On this one, let me say the reason I think...

You cannot have a situation, Bob, where we're going to do this and this and that.

Because what will happen is it just compounds it.

You see what I mean?

They'll say, I overruled or I did this or that.

I'm not overruling anything.

I'm just trying to get the goddamn facts to be clear about it.

But I think they should go in and say that I raised hell about this.

I said, I saw the story.

Because I have heard exactly the opposite.

And here are the facts.

And if anybody else is doing that,

And this is it.

Do you agree with that or not?

Sure.

And I think the real thing I have to deal with, Rose, is to deal with directly.

I don't like the idea of that, but you know, so I think in December or not, I couldn't agree more.

And then let her sit there, and she'll blow off and say, well, why do you do that?

Why do you do this?

And so forth and so on.

And you say, well, fine.

The reasons are very clear.

I don't know about you, but she may have raised her hand a little bit.

I mean, she may have raised her hand a little bit.

Why did you, why did we have John meet at her home?

We didn't like to go there.

We were both in line.

And I went up to her.

And I said, call me.

And she was delighted in my name.

She told me that.

And she also told me she loved the Jacob thing too, didn't she?

And she ran right across the hall and told Jacob what a terrible thing they were doing to each other.

That's what you know, damn well, the motivation on that was not a concern for Jacob because she knows that she hates him, as you said, and she's made it clear.

Well, this, though, I wanted to go on both the Pat Hickman, which we had decided earlier, and on this that I've done the checking.

She didn't even have to beat me on it because he doesn't believe it because he just says she's bitter and so forth.

So it must have been back there in the plane.

She didn't know.

She hit him on the Secret Service.

Oh, not Matthew.

He doesn't know her.

Secret Service.

And I'm confirmed that it was under discussion on the plane.

Well, it may have been under discussion on the plane, but I think what is more important, did she talk to Hal Thomas?

That is bad.

Well, some of it's yours, I'll bet, because Helen has to have gotten the story on the plane.

She filed it at 2.40 in the morning.

So what the hell?

She just filed the story at 7.00.

I wonder if you could see her this morning.

Yeah, I was here.

I'll follow up with you in the address for those letters.

I was surprised by it.

You really ought to thrash these things up.

Huh?

That's the pitch I always think of.

And I plan it out.

There may be another answer.

Tell them that there's nobody that can be a stronger for these two guys.

I said, let's see what they want to do.

I said, find out what they want.

That was the whole approach, both.

Yeah.

Six years, one guy.

OK.