Conversation No. 857-7

Date: February 15, 1973
Time: 12:05 pm - 12:19 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with J. Curtis Counts. Members of the press were present at the
beginning of the meeting.

       Greetings

       Photograph session
             -Arrangements

       Counts's plans
              -Construction industry
                      -Labor management problems

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 12:05 pm.

       Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 12:19 pm.

       Construction industry
              -Importance
              -Work with Peter J. Brennan, George P. Shultz
              -Counts’s new job

       Counts’s job offers
             -Bechtel
             -United Aircraft
             -Salary

       Private sector
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                                               Conversation No. 857-7 (cont’d)




       -Importance
       -Consultant offers

Jay C. Counts
       -Labor lawyer
              -Texas
       -Labor management consultant
              -Sheehy Construction, Inc.

Labor management relations
      -Management representatives
              -Problems
      -Labor lawyers
              -Jews
              -Competence
      -Negotiations
              -Arthur Goldberg
                     -Steel
                     -Competence
              -Management representatives
      -Labor lawyers
              -Unions
                     -Competence
                             -Dave Freedmont
      -Steel workers
              -Legal assistance
      -United Auto Workers [UAW]
              -Leonard Woodcock
      -Management representatives

Construction industry
       -Negotiations
               -Fragmented industry
               -Automobile manufacturers
       -Counts's new job
               -Problems

Jay Counts
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                          Tape Subject Log
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                                                Conversation No. 857-7 (cont’d)




       -Southern Methodists University [SMU]
              -Charlie Morris
              -Business and law school
              -California and Texas bar exams
       -Opportunities
       -Present job

Counts's job
       -Government work
              -Lobbying
       -Labor union reception
              -Rapport

California
       -New house
             -Chevoit Hills
             -Janice O. Counts
             -McLean, Virginia
             -Traffic
             -Roosevelt Bridge
             -Maintenance

Virginia Counts

Prisoners of War [POWs]
       -Reception
       -George S. McGovern
       -Return
              -Impact on public
       -Support for bombing

Bombing of North Vietnam
      -Necessity
             -McGovern
             -POWs’ statements to Adm. Thomas H. Moorer

Young people
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                  Tape Subject Log
                                    (rev. Oct.-09)
                                                       Conversation No. 857-7 (cont’d)




       Appreciation for job
             -President’s gift

       Counts's children
              -Married ones

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:05 pm.

       Ash trays

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:19 pm.

       Gifts

Bull entered at an unknown time after 12:05 pm.

       Counts's grandchildren
              -Boys
              -Girls
              -Gifts

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:19 pm.

       Counts’s job
             -Other opportunities
                    -Major corporation
                    -Salary
                    -Labor management relations

Counts left at 12:19 pm.