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I had a couple of thoughts.

First,

projected that it's obviously pretty mature, which of course is only a backup decision.

It's a technical problem because it's very, it's very young.

The second point is that I think this is sort of other kind of ecology.

You, of course, are aware, and I should say that a number of countries in the United States, we expected this to be a multi-company game program.

As far as

We don't avoid that because it may be that we don't have a trust grant.

It's true that that's what the Congress should have done.

Even when we do that, we still put a motion to go.

And I think that we did, I think the answer we ought to give is to say, well, that's something that's happened.

I think the main thing is to say that this responsibility is shared by the members of the Congress in this area.

Now, the idea, of course, that we're trying to do something great, the idea of the conflict, the Russians, Chinese, I don't know, some people, of course, you know, other conditions as we've had, I don't know whether you, whether you, I didn't mean to have to point out to you.

The point that they make that, I don't know, .

for your information swallow this

Whatever we have this year is going to be swallowed by the military budget and handled.

I mean, it's a pretty tight budget, but I'm a ceasefire officer, so it's not an issue.

Yeah.

Yeah, sure.

But I don't mean it.

And you see, of course, their argument is that it sort of shapes what the conservatives were saying, or the Republican isolationists were saying 25 years ago.

They said, we want to build a dam in Colorado rather than build a dam in Japan.

Or we build a dam or a building in Germany and Japan.

And I think the most powerful argument really is just really getting back to history.

and responsible ways to prevent it all.

And we had great needs at home after World War II.

First, we had a downbeat and greater.

And so we spent billions rebuilding our former enemy, Germany, and Japan, who is now a company that used a hell of a lot of market capital this year.

And what happened?

What happened is that they became the struggling members of the police and all those arguments.

Of course, these...

That's what I think.

I think on the other hand, you can sort of keep them on the global thing after all.

And now we've really come down to it.

We should know we can come this particular day.

Everybody said they have a ceasefire in Laos.

And then I think you could say, too, that tomorrow is going to be the big day.

China will show us that we continue the development of the

Well, I...

oh you're gonna be sick

Yes.

Yeah.

You might say, you also might say that the interests of all of us are the same.

The ambition is peace.

And unless this, unless a program contributes to the United States' interest in a more peaceful world, we're not going to recommend it to Congress.

That's what it's all about.

And I think you want to put the monkey on their back now that if they don't support it, they're responsible for what happens.

That's really the truth.

It is, I know.

But the main thing is, of course, I think on an individual basis that we can knock off these, take on our guys one by one, and say, well, here's the fire here, here's your man, I have to vote for him, and take this over to them, Republicans.

But I mean, I agree, this is sort of a basically a partisan issue, and I'm trying to stop one of the guys I told me to go out there, too, because he's, of course, demagogic, but he's not demagogic.

You see, the kind of Democrats, you've got to build in two problems.

One, you've got conservative Democrats who support us on the board of people in the college.

And that's the other side.

The people that were weeding these cold-washed tears from George R.R.

Martin, me, the Teddy Kennedys, and the Democrats, they must be saying, oh no, no help for them, not quite as an enemy of God as an enemy.

Yeah.

What'd they say?

Henry made the point, and I talked to him, he said, if you go to Siloam in Hanoi, and you didn't have any comfort in the moment, you would have thought Siloam had just won the war, and Hanoi lost it.

And frankly, that's true.

And with Siloam, you know, you've been there, muscling around, pushing each other, you know, all around, doing better than ever.

Everything.

But anyway, on this, though, I know a little, you know,

But I guess, I think the more, I think the more that you can go put them on the spot.

But let's withhold our judgment on this.

And also say, I think, I need you to make the point, which I agree with, but I need you to look, let's look over the director of this administration.

We've done well on arms control.

We've done well on our relations with the Chinese, on our relations with the Soviet.

We've done well on the Bay Area.

I mean, we've made progress in a number of areas.

We brought, we have, we have, let's see if I forget it,

Why not support us on this particular point?

Oh.

Ah.

Send over a copy to me, I'll probably get it in the next summer, but I don't see it.

I made the opening statement, not all the others.

Well then.

Well.

Except if they're going to hit you hard together.

Certainly, I mean, they'll hit you hard.

They've got a Democrat about something.

They have these poor folks who come to you and say, Jesse Jackson and all those people screaming about him.

And for senators to get up there and play a banner.

but when I go to places like Jacksonville, I saw 4,000 men that had just come off of the Saratoga.

I didn't see all of them.

We had 4,000 that saw a lot of that when they walked.

When you go to the South Paragon, they're as precious as the South.

But the people, and of course we didn't plan it this way, but they're trying to, in the crisis, so we tried lately on a few of them to say that the Defense Department wrote the speeches for these people, though these are crises, how could they?

You know, these fellows do say the same thing, but it's because they believe it.

Yeah.

that they're organized to attack winds and everything, right?

Is that true?

I'm gonna talk to them on there.

Well, they've really, they've really set themselves up and hope, one of them,

to get a chance someday to knock you down for the sort of presbyterian things.

The president is disappointed because he didn't get the credit for the, uh, for the visa.

Hey, tell him I didn't ask for any credit for the president.

I just want credit for the poor dad that he just lost.

Do you understand?

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Well, the point is, really, this is credit for a poor man.

As a matter of fact, we do have credit in the country.

However, you get up in the polls like we do, we don't have

We want the American people, the United States of America to get credit for, frankly, winning peaceful honor, whatever you want to say.

Well, you know, I ran into it only when you go to places, of course, in the southern area, more religious, but you know, the god bless you's and that sort of thing, we love you and all that.

Well, of course, that's, it's really rather remarkable to me.

What happened, what must occur is, you know, you see these fine guys who suffered so much and they come back.

rather than these stinking people in the media and the rest of the world bitching at the Senators, right?

These guys come back here and get us high saluted and blown the country by my God, you know, that's, that really makes you ashamed of yourself, you know, for every crime, doesn't it?

Yep.

Is that correct?

Yeah.

Good.

That's great.

Isn't that great?

Yeah.

I'm going to, uh,

By the way, I'm going to have tomorrow night, I'm going to have about 250 members of the House decide.

Those, it's just those who have, not unanimously, but for the most part, supported our programs over the years.

I've had them before, you know, like you're saying, and I just want to express appreciation to them.

I'm going to ask, I'm asking you, I'm going to ask you to do this.

And we'll get a chance to mingle with some of the hardliners there.

And also, over the next four weeks, we're going to have two evenings in the White House, and two trips are going to cover all the matters of the House and Senate.

You know, except for just a few.

Are you going to agree with me?

Well, let me say, the problem that I have with these bills that I told them, I don't want to go back, but I probably will one time, but I just, when I was there, now they, I think they're in Montgomery.

I don't mind listening to Montgomery and all that sort of thing, but I just think going there, yeah, what would you think?

Well, I don't want to be a spoilsport for what we did.

I just think for me to go there and then have to shake hands and then make sure Dave went there, he's just not right, you know what I mean?

I've been as generous as I can have been, but he does not reciprocate.

Yeah.

Oh, no, he went there and delivered.

I'm sure.

But suppose he does go to the meeting, right?

Sure.

He makes a speech.

Well, then, I'll...

I'll talk, I'll talk.

You get your...

get your hearing out of the way and i'll talk to you later today but i don't want to figure it out you see what i mean so that means as i said if you're gracious to him

If, on the other hand, you drove your demon in a half-way, you're picking on the poor guy.

It's just leave him alone.

Ignore him and thank him if he didn't exist.

George did a good job.

No, I didn't.

I'll come next year.

I haven't come here for the present.

I just want to bury the ring.

It's better than the grinner.

I just want to bury the grinner.

Good luck, Uncle Pat.