{"conversationCode":"859-031","tapeNumber":859,"conversationNumber":31,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-859-031","startDateTime":"1973-02-21T16:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-21T16:33:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Feb-1973","startTime":"11:19 AM","endDate":"21-Feb-1973","endTime":"11:33 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:19 am and 11:33 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 859-031 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 859-31\n\nDate: February 21, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 11:19 am and 11:33 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       Zulfiker Ali Bhutto visit\n              -Dates\n              -Henry A. Kissinger\n              -Changes in date\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 11:33 am.","filename":["859-031.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"859-030","nextCode":"859-032","transcript":[{"start":0.54,"end":6.1,"text":"It's the first thing you try to do is make a mistake."},{"start":7.32,"end":8.1,"text":"Is that it?"},{"start":8.12,"end":8.46,"text":"I'm not ready."},{"start":8.78,"end":9.8,"text":"I'm not going to ask you to do it."},{"start":9.82,"end":26.05,"text":"That would be something I may do, but I may do it with intent."},{"start":26.11,"end":27.49,"text":"I'll talk to you about it later."},{"start":27.55,"end":27.99,"text":"Intent is great."},{"start":28.13,"end":28.77,"text":"Intent is great."},{"start":29.09,"end":30.04,"text":"That's what I have in mind."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met to coordinate the logistics and scheduling for an upcoming visit by Pakistani leader Zulfikar Ali Bhutto. The discussion focused on finalizing the specific dates for the visit and evaluating the potential involvement of National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. They ultimately sought to adjust the existing itinerary, reflecting the President's personal attention to the planning details.","topics":["Zulfikar Ali Bhutto","Diplomatic relations","White House scheduling","Henry Kissinger","Foreign policy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T01:27:59.366Z"},"topicSlugs":["zulfikar-ali-bhutto","diplomatic-relations","white-house-scheduling","henry-kissinger","foreign-policy"],"audioDurationSec":36,"audioFiles":[{"file":"859-031.mp3","bytes":871695,"durationSec":36.19,"bitrate":192710,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.382Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/859-031.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/859-031","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/859/conversation-859-031","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}