{"conversationCode":"860-010","tapeNumber":860,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-860-010","startDateTime":"1973-02-21T20:26:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-21T20:28:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:26 PM","endDate":"21-Feb-1973","endTime":"3:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On February 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:26 pm to 3:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 860-010 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 860-10\n\nDate: February 21, 1973\nTime: Between 3:26 pm and 3:28 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n\n[See Conversation No. 43-155]\n\f                                              -7-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM","filename":["860-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"860-009","nextCode":"860-011","transcript":[{"start":5.01,"end":6.89,"text":"Well, Bob, I'm going to check the schedule."},{"start":6.91,"end":8.03,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":8.05,"end":18.4,"text":"I don't think he may run away, but he came in and asked if I'm going down to reception for Thurman for Curtis's stories."},{"start":19.68,"end":22.78,"text":"Curtis is the wife of my family captain tomorrow."},{"start":23.82,"end":31.57,"text":"And I told him I'd go to some state because I'm getting a reception here for the congressman."},{"start":32.28,"end":36.55,"text":"And that would just be wielding the will to go rushing down to Congress because of that."},{"start":37.27,"end":39.49,"text":"Is that something that they submitted to you or they didn't?"},{"start":41.25,"end":49.73,"text":"But don't let those are the kinds that you should talk to me about because then it wouldn't get too easy because you would know the course of that, sir."},{"start":51.03,"end":57.45,"text":"You see, if I did, the point is I would be delighted to go to my work during the reception just for the rules of the future."},{"start":58.14,"end":59.22,"text":"Well, maybe."},{"start":59.68,"end":61.4,"text":"I think it is highly questionable."},{"start":61.42,"end":65.4,"text":"But anyway, I wouldn't mind if you'd be considering it."},{"start":65.44,"end":66.9,"text":"But look at it in terms of here."},{"start":66.92,"end":68.7,"text":"You've got a little talk about ."},{"start":69.22,"end":72.25,"text":"Look at it in terms of our congressional relations in the press."},{"start":72.73,"end":78.97,"text":"What the hell does it look like if I have 225 congressmen here and then jump in the car and rush down to the Congress?"},{"start":79.05,"end":81.37,"text":"Now, that's going to be a negative story without a question, isn't it?"},{"start":81.81,"end":82.09,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":84.45,"end":85.95,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":85.99,"end":86.37,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":86.39,"end":86.43,"text":"OK."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman deliberate on the political optics of attending a reception for Senator Carl Curtis immediately following a White House event for congressmen. Nixon expresses concern that rushing to the Capitol would create a negative press narrative and undermine his congressional relations. Ultimately, the pair weighs the administrative convenience of the appearance against the potential for unfavorable media coverage.","topics":["Congressional relations","Public relations","White House scheduling","Media optics","Political strategy"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T01:52:11.577Z"},"topicSlugs":["congressional-relations","public-relations","white-house-scheduling","media-optics","political-strategy"],"audioDurationSec":94,"audioFiles":[{"file":"860-010.mp3","bytes":2250920,"durationSec":93.67,"bitrate":192249,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.382Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:49.672Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/860-010.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/860-010","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/860/conversation-860-010","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}