Conversation: 860-015
Prev:  860-014 Next: 860-016Start Date: 21-Feb-1973 4:02 PM
End Date: 21-Feb-1973 5:30 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Poe, Edgar Allen; Horner, Garnett D. ("Jack"); Ehrlichman, John D.; Bull, Stephen B.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Kissinger, Henry A.; Recording Device: Oval Office
NARA Description:
On February 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Edgar Allen Poe, Garnett D. ("Jack") Horner, John D. Ehrlichman, Stephen B. Bull, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:02 pm to 5:30 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 860-015 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 860-15 Date: February 21, 1973 Time: 4:02 pm - 5:30 pm Location: Oval Office The President met with Edgar A. Poe, Garnett D. (“Jack”) Horner and Ronald L. Ziegler. Poe -Presidency of Gridiron -White House Correspondents Association [WHCA] Photographs -17- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) John D. Ehrlichman entered at 4:06 pm. Invitation to WHCA dinner -Gridiron -President's attendance -Entertainment -Music compared with comedy -Julie Andrews -Francis A. (“Frank”) Sinatra -Sammy Davis, Jr. -Young groups -Japan -Cell group -Black group -Recognition -Pam Powell -Inaugural show -Youth -Andrews -Acceptance -Gridiron -Drum and Bugle Corps -Entertainment -Young people -Appeal -Country music -President’s viewpoint -Young people Horner, Poe and Ziegler left at 4:08 pm. Taxes -Energy -Study -Telephone calls -George P. Shultz -18- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Capital gains -Treasury Department President’s schedule -Counsellors -Meeting -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger -Meeting with Ehrlichman Domestic Cabinet officers -Congressional relations -Meetings -Urban League -Whitney Young -Vernon Jordan -Cooperation with administration -Symbolism Welfare demonstration -Riots -Size of crowd -Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO] employees -Professional social workers -Government payroll -Blacks -Young, middle-age -Young Men’s Christian Association [YMCA], Urban League, Post Office -New York -Busses -Unemployed -Middle-class blacks -Homeowners -Children in school -Cars -Protest compared to rioting -19- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Government jobs -Hiring of blacks -Balance -Professional blacks Jordan -Meeting with President and Cabinet -President's appearance -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew -Prejudice -Domestic Council meeting -President's attendance -Photographs Dairy question -Earl L. Butz -Milk producers -Temporary action -Publicity -President’s news summary -Budget -Farmers -Funds -Budget cuts -OEO -Blacks -President's constituency -President’s press conference -Farm statistics Energy -Ehrlichman’s report -Congressional Advisory Group -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson -Ernest F. (“Fritz”) Hollings -Regular meetings -20- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Cross sectional character -John J. Rhodes -Bipartisan nature -Advice -President's appearance at a meeting -Purpose -Need for Congressional advice -Citizens' groups -Message -Timing -Deregulation -Gas prices -Position -Recommendations -Henry A. Kissinger, Shultz, Ehrlichman, Charles J. DiBona -John B. Connally -Political problems -Deregulation of gas -Russell B. Long -Problems -DiBona -Systems analyst -Political experience -Connally -Political judgment -Meeting at Camp David -Dinner -President’s attendance -Timing -Connally -Kissinger’s attendance -Middle East -International aspects -Peter M. Flanigan -Shortcomings -Inflexibility -21- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Kissinger -Lack of knowledge -Meeting at Camp David -Urgency -President's schedule -Work with energy groups -Arrangements -Dinner Taxes -Shultz -Minimum tax -Artificial accounting lawsuit abuses -Tax reform -President’s recommendation -Reduction of tax rate -Effects on wealthy -Capital gains tax -Changes -Treasury Department support -Rationale -Political problems -Simplification -Standard deduction -Tax preparation -Lawyer -Costs -Municipal bonds -Tax on interest -John N. Mitchell -Foreign source income tax -Property tax relief for elderly -Credit for private school tuition -Property tax relief for elderly -State initiative -Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations [ACIR] -22- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Opposition -President’s support -Pension reform -Shultz -Depreciation and job development credit -Shultz's opposition -Estate gift tax -Political impact -Estate planning -Memorandum from John N. Alexander -Opposition -Tax package -Minimum tax -Revenue -Elderly -Parochial aid -Foreign corporations -Political effects -Alexander -Long -Estate tax -Treasury Department Patricia R. Hitt and Michael P. Balzano, Jr. -Problem -Letter to Ehrlichman from Patricia Hitt -President’s role -Ehrlichman and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s meeting with Balzano -Length -Balzano -ACTION -Patricia Hitt’s letter -State Department job -Robert J. Hitt -ACTION director -Return to California -23- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Robert Hitt -Return -President's decision -Balzano -Job in administration -ACTION -Dissertation -Knowledge -Motivation -Patricia Hitt’s job -William Rogers -President’s influence -Letter to Ehrlichman -Skills, knowledge -ACTION compared with State Department -Robert H. Finch’s role -Rose Mary Woods’s role -President's role -Patricia Hitt’s meeting with Ehrlichman -Woods -Work with Hitt -Balzano -Cutbacks in ACTION -Peace Corps -OEO -Woods -President’s role -Florida -Call to Woods -Ehrlichman’s meeting -President's message -OEO -Cutbacks -Need for Balzano -Hitt’s abilities -State Department, Peace Corps -24- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Government work -Finch Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 4:06 pm. Meeting with Kissinger Bull left at an unknown time before 5:30 pm. Taxes -Message -Ways and Means Committee -Staff -Negotiations -Shultz’s talks with Wilbur D. Mills -Questions and answers -Backgrounders and briefings -Statement -Shultz -Opening statement -Consultation -Reforms -Value of issue -Parochial school -Minimum tax -Congress -Chowder and Marching Society event -Ehrlichman -Peter H. B. Frelinghuysen -Feedback on budget cuts -Wall Street Journal -Support for President -Budget Congressional relations -25- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Ehrlichman’s recommendations -Social events with Congress members -Evenings at the White House -Worship services -Vietnam loyalists -Reception -Freshman Republicans -William E. Timmons -Breakfast -Gerald R. Ford -Value -Haldeman -Meeting with Ehrlichman, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Alexander M. Haig, Jr. -Value of events -Loyalists -Leaks -Chowder and Marching Society -Wednesday Club -Freshmen -Social events -Meetings with staff -Marina Von N. Whitman -Evening at the White House -Exposure -Maurice H. Stans -New strategy -Contributors -Stage and State dinners -Mood -Republicans -Freshman -Worship service President’s schedule Haldeman entered at 4:40 pm. -26- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Church service -Evening at the White House -Meetings Congressional relations -Freshmen -Capitol Club -William E. Timmons -Bull -Meetings with President -Difficulties -Value -Timmons -Meetings with staff -Whitman, Cole, Ehrlichman, Haig Kissinger entered at 4:44 pm. Stans -List of people -Contributors -Commitments -Meetings with President -1972 election -Inauguration -Max Fisher -Ambassadorship -Netherlands -Wife Timmons -Briefings for Republicans -Mistake Vietnam -27- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Congressional votes -Kissinger’s role -Meeting with Congressional groups -Freshman -Leaders -Frequency -Chowder and Marching Society Congressional relations -Coordination -Richard K. Cook -Kissinger’s briefing -Chowder and Marching Society -Value of staff meetings -Coordination -Timmons -Democrats -Plans Energy -Kissinger’s role -Need for work -Flanigan -Interest -Dogmatism -Kissinger’s role -Meeting with Shultz, Ehrlichman, and DiBona -Camp David -Scheduling -Dinner -Schedule -Congress -Briefing papers for Kissinger -Connally -Advice -Political judgment -28- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Deregulation of natural gas -Conflict of interest -DiBona -Connally -Camp David meeting -Kissinger’s briefing -Discussion -Complexities PRC -President’s meeting with Connally -Announcement -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] Robert Elliot -Article -Hong Kong -President’s meeting -Breakthrough -Hong Kong -PRC representatives [?] -Airport -Kissinger meeting -Television [TV], news media [?] -New York Times article -Possible role with administration Energy -Camp David meeting -Briefing papers -DiBona -Foreign policy aspects -Purchasing shift -Study by DiBona -Flanigan -Recommendations -29- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Oil imports -Iraq, Libya cuts -Saudi Arabia, Gulf States, Iran, Algeria -Subjects for discussion Ehrlichman and Haldeman left at 4:58 pm. Vietnam settlement -Kissinger’s meeting with Robert Thompson -Chances of success for South Vietnam -Bombing of North Vietnam [?] -Impact [?] -Economic aid to South Vietnam -Amount -Impact -Communists -Elections -Cambodia -Bombing -Impact -John F. Kennedy’s administration’s actions -Strategy -Entry -Troop levels -Alternative strategy -Laos -Cambodia -Laos -Ngo Dinh Diem -Vietnam -Ho Chi Minh trail -Advisors, helicopters -Lyndon B. Johnson administration -Advisors Dominic Mintoff -30- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Dealings with PRC -Malta -USSR, Libya -Sweden PRC -USSR -Mao Tse-Tung’s statement to Kissinger -President’s name in communiqué -Significances -President’s visit to Peking -Daily Telegraph -London -Cringle [first name unknown] -Robert S. Elegant -Joseph W. Alsop -Story on President’s visit to PRC -Kissinger -Mao’s call to Kissinger -Kissinger’s conversation with Betty Lord -Statements on women -Mao’s wife -Leader of Cultural Revolution -Intensity -Military situation -Preparation -Fighter planes -Great Britain President’s initiatives in foreign policy -Significance Briefings by Kissinger -PRC -Questions -Hanoi -31- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Aid to North Vietnam -Kissinger’s answers to press -President’s reasons for aid -Aid as tool of foreign policy -Significance -Details of aid package -Economics commission -Congressional relations -William P. Rogers -Statement -Defensiveness -Administration’s response to Congress -Past economic aid -Peace with Japan, Germany -Announcement -PRC -Hanoi -Bombing damage -Civilian destruction -Press briefing -Michael J. (“Mike”) Mansfield -Kissinger’s flight over Hanoi -North Vietnam -Evolution compared to revolution -US interests -Mansfield -South Vietnam -Cambodia and Laos Kissinger’s conversation with Chou -Norodom Sihanouk -Friendship -Mansfield Mao’s conversation with Kissinger -Comments on President -32- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Communism -Soviet Union [?] -Japan -Communique Vietnam settlement -Aid to South Vietnam -Congress, press -USSR, PRC participation -North Vietnam -Mao’s attitude -Four states -Chou -Aid to Vietnam -PRC’s support -Lao’s ceasefire agreement -Hanoi -Message -PRC’s role -Vice foreign minister -Peking, Paris -Kissinger’s briefing for Congressional leaders -President’s role in settlement negotiations -Reports Cambodia -Military action -France -Georges J. R. Pompidou -Casualties -Estimate -B-52 raids -Laos -North Vietnam’s reaction -Difficulties -Provisional government -PRC recommendations -33- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Lon Nol, Sihanouk -New candidates -Sisowath Sirik Matak -PRC’s goals -North Vietnam, USSR -Neutrality -Sihanouk -Role -Acceptability Energy -Kissinger’s involvement -Flanigan -Dogmatism Middle East -Rogers -Joseph J. Sisco -US actions -Reactions with Arabs -Crises -Compared to USSR -Libyan passenger plane -Israel -Kissinger message to Muammar Kaddafi and Anwar -Rogers’s statement -Call to Hafiz Ismail -London -Problems -Ismail’s visit Middle East peace negotiations -Egypt’s position -Stalemate -Israel’s position -Status quo -34- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -Egypt’s concessions -US pressure on Israel -Avoidance of war -President’s position -Statements to both sides -Commitment to permanent settlement -Israel’s resistance -Egypt -Interim settlement -US influence on Israel -Egypt’s position -Land -Significance -Sovereignty -Exchange for security zone -Police -Bases -Kissinger’s meeting with Ismail -Meeting with President -Rogers -Meeting with Egyptians -Knowledge of Kissinger’s meeting -Timing -Kissinger’s meeting -Timing -New York -Announcement -Rogers -President’s involvement -Sisco -President’s meeting with Rogers -Conference -Scheduling -Camp David meeting -Instructions -Conference -35- NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM Tape Subject Log (rev. Nov.-09) Conversation No. 860-15 (cont’d) -PRC President’s meeting with Rogers -Breakfast meeting -Kissinger’s presence Kissinger left at 5:30 pm.