{"conversationCode":"861-011","tapeNumber":861,"conversationNumber":11,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-861-011","startDateTime":"1973-02-22T16:14:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-22T16:17:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Feb-1973","startTime":"11:14 AM","endDate":"22-Feb-1973","endTime":"11:17 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Timmons, William E.;","description":"On February 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:14 am to 11:17 am. 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Timmons.\n\n       Congressional relations\n             -Invitations to White House events\n                     -Worship service\n                             -Recipients\n                             -Regrets\n\f                                             -10-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 861-11 (cont’d)\n\n                     -Mailings\n                     -Telephone calls\n                            -Changes\n                     -Rose Mary Woods\n                     -Democrats\n                     -Republicans\n                            -Donald W. Riegle, Jr.\n                            -Paul N. McCloskey, Jr.\n                            -Mailings\n                                   -Timing\n                                   -Regrets\n                                   -Democrats\n                     -William B. Saxbe\n                            -Voting record\n                                   -Taxes\n                                   -Invitation\n                                   -Reasons for inviting\n                                   -President’s staunch supporters\n                                           -Saxbe’s comments\n                                           -Saxbe’s attendance\n                            -Samuel L. Devine\n                                   -Advice\n\nTimmons left at 11:17 am.","filename":["861-011.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"861-010","nextCode":"861-012","transcript":[{"start":0.28,"end":1.56,"text":"Bill, I wanted to do this."},{"start":1.82,"end":9.65,"text":"I thought I'd try to make it clear that I want those invitations to go out to everybody now."},{"start":9.77,"end":11.55,"text":"Where are they moving them up?"},{"start":11.57,"end":14.29,"text":"Well, they went to get the first round out to the gas."},{"start":14.31,"end":17.91,"text":"They're coming to the first worship service to get that behind them."},{"start":17.93,"end":21.89,"text":"And they've got regrets and so forth, and they've been telling them on the side."},{"start":23.61,"end":26.13,"text":"I didn't move them all out today."},{"start":26.15,"end":29.61,"text":"So if you've got the invitations for the four events, the purpose is"},{"start":30.32,"end":31.74,"text":"I don't worry about that."},{"start":31.78,"end":34.5,"text":"We talked to Rose about it."},{"start":34.56,"end":36,"text":"We want those invitations."},{"start":36.16,"end":39.68,"text":"They'll all be here tonight, the ones that we want."},{"start":39.7,"end":41.83,"text":"But I particularly want the"},{"start":51.55,"end":58.23,"text":"I'd like for at least the invitations to the Republicans to go out."},{"start":58.53,"end":59.73,"text":"All Republicans."},{"start":59.77,"end":64.85,"text":"If they're coming in four minutes and they should get out like today."},{"start":65.69,"end":66.21,"text":"All right."},{"start":66.27,"end":68.85,"text":"In other words, send them all out."},{"start":69.13,"end":77.35,"text":"Then if some of them regret it, then the Democrat invitations can come later."},{"start":80.73,"end":85.36,"text":"And we didn't fill, and then, but there's no problem on filling."},{"start":85.38,"end":86.7,"text":"It's over."},{"start":87.58,"end":88.36,"text":"It's not ours."},{"start":88.46,"end":100.86,"text":"I think, too, that in this, just because Saxby had a 100% voting record, did you want to add anything to that?"},{"start":101.86,"end":107.28,"text":"It just shows that we're not just because somebody disagrees with us or attacks us."},{"start":107.76,"end":115.34,"text":"In other words, that will be a very good signal to a hell of a lot of other people."},{"start":116,"end":121.38,"text":"I'm just wondering how your hard factors who really resented his comments will think about having him there."},{"start":122,"end":122.66,"text":"Is that a problem?"},{"start":123.42,"end":123.81,"text":"It could be."},{"start":123.83,"end":125.19,"text":"I haven't heard anything about it."},{"start":125.78,"end":128.63,"text":"Why don't you call Sam and ask him what he thinks?"},{"start":128.67,"end":130.85,"text":"He said, look, Sam, he's got 100% record."},{"start":132.78,"end":135.18,"text":"Okay, how's that?"}],"audioDurationSec":164,"audioFiles":[{"file":"861-011.mp3","bytes":3929239,"durationSec":163.6,"bitrate":192138,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.382Z","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon instructed William Timmons to send out invitations for White House events, specifically prioritizing Republicans for an upcoming worship service. The discussion also touched upon the inclusion of Senator William B. Saxbe, despite his past criticisms, as a signal of the administration's willingness to engage with those who disagree. Nixon asked Timmons to consult with Samuel L. Devine regarding potential concerns about Saxbe's attendance.","topics":["White House invitations","Congressional relations","Republican outreach","William B. Saxbe","Worship service","Political signaling","Samuel L. 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