{"conversationCode":"862-005","tapeNumber":862,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-862-005","startDateTime":"1973-02-23T15:05:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-23T15:08:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Feb-1973","startTime":"10:05 AM","endDate":"23-Feb-1973","endTime":"10:08 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:05 am and 10:08 am. 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Brennan\n                              -Telephone call\n                              -Rescheduling\n                      -Henry A. Kissinger\n                              -Time\n                              -President’s pressure\n                              -Departure for Camp David\n                              -Executive Office Building [EOB]\n\n       Camp David\n             -Transportation\n             -Departure\n             -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon\n             -Weather\n             -John D. Ehrlichman\n             -Rose Mary Woods\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 10:08 am.","filename":["862-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"862-004","nextCode":"862-006","transcript":[{"start":0.39,"end":4.09,"text":"Don't rush me on this meeting."},{"start":4.75,"end":8.26,"text":"I want a 45-minute story."},{"start":9.5,"end":13.29,"text":"Just call Brennan, for example, and tell him that meeting is 7.30, 10.45."},{"start":13.57,"end":17.23,"text":"Or can you do that shortly?"},{"start":21.59,"end":33.38,"text":"They want to meet separately, work out the time, or whenever they want me, I'll meet them."},{"start":33.4,"end":40.64,"text":"Whenever they're going to meet me, I'll be there."},{"start":43.82,"end":46.54,"text":"If the weather's good, yeah."},{"start":46.82,"end":50.3,"text":"Well, I'd like to meet with them, say, if they need it."},{"start":50.64,"end":52.72,"text":"They will meet probably around 2 o'clock."},{"start":53.7,"end":54.94,"text":"I'd like to meet with them, say, at 4.30."},{"start":55.06,"end":59.65,"text":"I'd like to meet at 4.30, and I'd like to meet at 5.30."},{"start":59.91,"end":61.91,"text":"I can't say for sure."},{"start":61.97,"end":65.69,"text":"Would you like them to meet at the EOB?"},{"start":65.71,"end":66.15,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":67.59,"end":69.23,"text":"Would you like them to meet at the EOB?"},{"start":69.31,"end":72.07,"text":"Yeah, tell them they can meet at my EOB outside office, see?"},{"start":73.88,"end":78.52,"text":"Okay, push the meeting back 15 minutes, I don't want to reveal."},{"start":78.7,"end":82.24,"text":"Okay, all right, sir, we'll set a schedule."},{"start":82.32,"end":86.14,"text":"You'll be going by yourself by 5.30."},{"start":86.26,"end":92.58,"text":"If this is next May, you tell her that I'm going to leave by 5.30, that the weather is good, and we can't get in."},{"start":93.38,"end":99.29,"text":"At least you're going to have that, and also see if John Irving invited you to go with me, too."},{"start":99.31,"end":103.41,"text":"Is there anybody who wants to go up this weekend?"},{"start":104.31,"end":105.23,"text":"We don't need anybody up there."},{"start":105.25,"end":108.32,"text":"I mean, well, no, no, I wouldn't invite her to this weekend."},{"start":108.36,"end":114.77,"text":"No, it's just, it's a, it's not going to, it's going to be picketing, but they have one over there, so we're not, okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide, Stephen B. Bull, to coordinate his daily schedule and logistical arrangements for an upcoming weekend trip to Camp David. The discussion focused on rescheduling various meetings with officials, including Peter J. Brennan and Henry Kissinger, and designating the Executive Office Building for specific briefings. Additionally, Nixon provided instructions regarding transportation and travel plans for himself and Pat Nixon, contingent upon weather conditions.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Camp David","Logistics","White House administration","Peter J. 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