{"conversationCode":"862-015","tapeNumber":862,"conversationNumber":15,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-862-015","startDateTime":"1973-02-23T17:51:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-23T17:57:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Feb-1973","startTime":"12:51 PM","endDate":"23-Feb-1973","endTime":"12:57 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Volpe, John A.; White House photographer; Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On February 23, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, John A. Volpe, White House photographer, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:51 pm to 12:57 pm. 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Volpe; the White House photographer and member of the press\nwere present.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Delay of meeting\n\n       Volpe's schedule\n\n       Photograph session\n\n       Press relations\n               -Weather\n               -Rose Garden walk\n                       -Press pictures\n                       -Donald A. Rumsfeld\n                       -Volpe\n                       -John A. Scali\n\n       Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan\n              -Rome\n              -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n              -[First name unknown] Beck\n              -[First name unknown] Saber\n\n       Frank C. Carlucci\n\nHenry A. Kissinger entered at 12:52 pm.\n      Walk in Rose Garden                      -Pictures\n\n       Visit by Giulio Andreotti\n               -Timing\n               -Attendance\n\nThe President, et al., left at 12:55 pm.\n\f                                            -28-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                               Conversation No. 862-21 (cont’d)","filename":["862-015.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Volpe, John A.","White House photographer","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"862-014","nextCode":"862-016","transcript":[{"start":0.24,"end":2.9,"text":"We're not a mess here, Matt."},{"start":3.42,"end":4.36,"text":"Why, Mr. President?"},{"start":4.48,"end":8.2,"text":"Well, we were trying to settle the biddies, so we got delayed for about an hour."},{"start":8.22,"end":11.2,"text":"We had to see if you had a plan."},{"start":11.8,"end":13.32,"text":"When do you leave?"},{"start":13.44,"end":15.44,"text":"One week from today."},{"start":15.5,"end":17.58,"text":"Oh, that late?"},{"start":17.62,"end":20.32,"text":"Then get over there and get to work."},{"start":22,"end":23.58,"text":"We'll take a few pictures here."},{"start":23.7,"end":24.3,"text":"I'm not standing."},{"start":24.36,"end":25.36,"text":"We've done this before."},{"start":25.5,"end":27.24,"text":"I know we're going to press you."},{"start":27.92,"end":29.52,"text":"Let's see how we want to press you over this time."},{"start":31.69,"end":32.95,"text":"How cold is it out there?"},{"start":33.09,"end":34.17,"text":"It's, uh, pretty cold."},{"start":34.81,"end":35.57,"text":"No, listen, Jack."},{"start":35.59,"end":39.55,"text":"I think we should walk, uh, because, uh, let's, uh, let the press take a picture."},{"start":39.65,"end":40.67,"text":"I've done that before."},{"start":41.31,"end":45.19,"text":"I'd only, like, I don't know if I'd be able to say goodbye to the ambassadors."},{"start":45.21,"end":47.95,"text":"I mean, I might run a spell on yourself."},{"start":48.01,"end":50.35,"text":"So let's do the same."},{"start":50.37,"end":52.17,"text":"We'll walk around."},{"start":52.22,"end":52.41,"text":"Huh?"},{"start":57.84,"end":59.76,"text":"It was there very much."},{"start":87.83,"end":92.32,"text":"I didn't take a picture for you."},{"start":92.62,"end":97.22,"text":"Well, we need to have one."},{"start":97.34,"end":98.94,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":99,"end":100.84,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":100.9,"end":104.11,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":104.12,"end":106.95,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":107.09,"end":109.65,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":109.71,"end":113.95,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":113.97,"end":115.81,"text":"We need to have one."},{"start":117.48,"end":130.47,"text":"One thing I want to say about the visit, the visit of the, what is that situation?"},{"start":130.51,"end":132.19,"text":"All right."},{"start":132.75,"end":135.51,"text":"Now we're saying that you, you, you, you,"},{"start":139.17,"end":140.59,"text":"And that's who was at work for him."},{"start":140.63,"end":143.91,"text":"He was a real, he's really, he's very, you know, he's a, he's a man of his word."}],"audioDurationSec":164,"audioFiles":[{"file":"862-015.mp3","bytes":3927378,"durationSec":163.51,"bitrate":192157,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.696Z","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met briefly with White House photographer John A. Volpe and Henry Kissinger in the Oval Office. The primary purpose of the meeting was to arrange a photograph session for Volpe before his departure, with Nixon suggesting a walk in the Rose Garden to allow press photographers to take pictures. 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