{"conversationCode":"863-003","tapeNumber":863,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-863-003","startDateTime":"1973-02-23T19:36:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-26T13:58:00.000Z","startDate":"23-Feb-1973","startTime":"2:36 PM","endDate":"26-Feb-1973","endTime":"8:58 AM","dateCertainty":"estimated","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"United States Secret Service agents;","description":"United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 2:36 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973. 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Bull’s office\n             -Line\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n       Telephone call\n             -Problems\n\n       Training\n              -Downtown\n\n       Office tower\n               -H. R. 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they're one, one, and she's, they're a sweet baby."},{"start":110.2,"end":111.14,"text":"And I had a, I had, I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,"},{"start":137.62,"end":145.27,"text":"What are you talking about?"},{"start":145.43,"end":147,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":147.02,"end":147.76,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":147.8,"end":148.44,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":180.96,"end":181.34,"text":"One call."},{"start":181.36,"end":181.58,"text":"Yeah, I did."},{"start":213.81,"end":214.67,"text":"No, they are going to deserve some 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