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United States Secret Service agents on Oval Office and Personal relationships

Friday, February 23, 1973 · 5:40 PM–8:58 AM ET · Oval Office · 36 min

ParticipantsUnited States Secret Service agentsConversation863-021 on Tape 863StartFriday, February 23, 1973 at 5:40 PMEndMonday, February 26, 1973 at 8:58 AMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 863-021 ↗

AI Summary

This recording captures a conversation between United States Secret Service agents in the Oval Office, discussing various personal and professional matters. Topics ranged from scheduling and potential travel plans to personal relationships, including discussions about divorce and dating. They also touched upon television shows, specifically mentioning "The Waltons," and referenced individuals by first name, such as Jack and Tom, with some details about Jack's age and salary.

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NARA Description

United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:40 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 863-021 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 863-21

Date: Unknown between February 23 and 26, 1973
Time: Unknown between 5:40 pm, Feb. 23, and 8:58 am, Feb. 26, 1973
Location: Oval Office

An unknown man [Executive Protective Service (EPS)?] talked with an unknown person.

       Schedule
             -Sunday night [?]
             -Movies [?]

       Washington, DC
             -Return
             -Timing
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                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                         Conversation No. 863-21 (cont’d)

             -Campaign [?]

      Unknown woman [?]
           -Youth
           -Dating
           -Parents

      Unknown person
           -Divorce

      Report [?]
             -Negative

      Unknown woman
           -Dress

      Unknown man [?]
           -Physique [?]

J     Jack [Last name unknown]
             -Age
             -Salary

      Women
Show the rest of the log (46 more lines)
      Tom [Last name unknown]

      Robert Goulet [?]

      Television shows
             -Episode described
             -Milwaukee [?]
             -Episode described

      Control

Unknown person talked with an unknown man at an unknown time between 5:40 pm, Feb. 23,
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                             Conversation No. 863-21 (cont’d)

and 8:58 am, Feb. 26, 1973.

[Conversation 863-21A]

       Schedule
             -Tomorrow

[End of telephone conversation]

       Television shows
              -Show described
              -The Waltons

       Number

       Door [?]
              -Unlock

       Conversation with unknown woman
             -Child

       Telephone number

       Home
              -Eating [?]

The recording was cut off at an unknown time before 8:58 am, Feb. 26, 1973.

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Oh, yeah.
I didn't say that I didn't say that
I tried to work your job this morning.
And I tried you first, and you were busy, and I tried everything that you taught me, and it was just like you were busy.
That's what I told you tonight.
Yeah, that's what I told you.
Yeah.
I just said that.
I don't want you to act.
You know, because I had a business.
It wasn't even possible because I was a big guy, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't think it's very long ago.
It was changed over the last couple of years.

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All right, so you go to the bottom here and see the little crater there.
All right, yeah.
I'm sorry, I'm just going to need to be all the way up.
You know?
I don't know what happened.
I'll take you to the school to be discharged.
I don't know what happened.
I don't know what happened.
You know.
I like to try to, first I'm back in Washington, and then I'll be gone for a few, three, four weeks again, and I'll be back in bed.
I like to face it, and I, you know, talk hard to the back of the head, and I'll be back in bed.
You know?
I think I was about, you know,
I'm going to go back and talk to you guys.
We've got to talk.
Yeah, you guys too.
We've got to talk.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, I just wanted to fire a call or something.

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I'll bet, especially after she's been, you know, she's been laying here for the last month.
I'll bet it wouldn't wait.
I mean, she has no ties to him, but I can't see him, you know, wanting to be strong.
I was in a tough situation.
That's right.
I didn't do it, but I could see it was just danger, you know.
But the danger comes up when you compare it to a breeder, you know.
It's very nice to have a law.
I like everything about it.
That's what drives me.
I don't think that'll fit, Mom.
Hey, I got stuff on my head.
It's OK. Yeah.
I don't think it's that awful.
It's awful, but it's getting better.
So, anyway, uh...

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Yeah.
He always used to get those bad thoughts for divorce, you know.
He doesn't act pretty at the moment.
Yeah, I don't get it at the time.
Yeah, it wasn't very good for me.
I ain't got a hint.
I don't even...
If I got stung all the time, I could be without it.
Oh, jeez.
Oh, jeez, that's why it gives me the greatest pleasure to go back home and make it big enough to count up, you know, everything we've ever had to tell you, you know.
This is the place we go out on the beach when I want to go to the beach.
You know?
Yeah.
Like today, we're out here doing everything we can do.
I'm telling you, I'll be there.
Yeah, I don't think you have to get out of here to go.
You never can look without running off.
Running off.
Oh, it's dead time.
I'll be out of here tomorrow.
You want to learn?
I can.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, as much as I get beat up about it, you know.
You know what pisses me off?
Is Dan brought, you know, I'm wearing a short skirt, and a little cap, you know.
And, uh, yeah, no one can touch me.
And I was told, you know, you have to pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee, pee
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
His name is Jack Stanley.
He works at Tyson Corner.
He's a hair stylist.
He's about 30, 31 or 32 years old, something like that.
And his dad, he's nice, not bad, but he's got a, you know, he does, he's nice, but he's got a good, you know, he does support that, you know, what he's got, you know.
He makes good money out here.
He's got, you know, he's got, you know, he's got a group of seven people, you know, that's not holding him.
I swear.
He's talking about a big ball, you know, a great field ball, 128 good scores.
He's got a lot of good, a lot of good women out there.
You know, he's got, you know, he's got, you know, he's got, you know,
I didn't comment.
I didn't, you know, I really didn't comment.
Those guys that shot, you know, Jiminy was one of those guys.
Those guys, you know, two or one, five over and above.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know.
I mean, he's the type of guy where if he did go down, it wouldn't bother him.
He'd just go to the next group.
I'd stand right next to him.
I'd start looking at her.
I wish I had.
Two hours to be out.
I've heard from someone.
I always had to just play if he was changing a role, you know, like if he didn't want to be the talented backup or any big guy, you know.
We should come here or something and be that person.
That's who we get Robert to play, you know.
And he could go out and get any coach here and be up and down and out.
He's going to be okay anyway.
Yeah.
No, I didn't see it coming.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, I've seen that one.
For a song.
And you gotta play it right on.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
That's how they do it.
Yeah, I know that process of being engaged and going after them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I lost her.
She was right there.
I don't know, but, uh, that guy had painted out the, um, standings, and tied it on the wall, and she, you know, at the same time, you know, she was out there, you know, she's always back, you know, at the same time.
But it was great to see her take it all in here, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Here we go again.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So there's a lot here, a lot, a lot.
That's where you go back to.
That's the...
I watched this movie for the first time in a day or two.
I heard it was supposed to be pretty good.
But I turned it down.
And it's just fun.
It's one of the things I like about this.
And she's got her daughter.
She's divorced.
She's got a four or five-year-old daughter.
And the time that I watched it...
The best next door neighbor is a doctor.
He's got a little girl, about the same age.
And they were caught behind the bars.
They were on the coast.
They were trying to get by.
They were trying to get by.
And, uh... And, uh, there's a doctor caught.
And he comes up to me, you know, in the middle of the morning.
Tells me what's going on in Hawaii.
So, uh, thanks.
They're out there, they're getting on.
He says, he says, uh, hey, one of them, uh, when we get home, he says, uh, I don't want to go in the first place.
I want to go home.
He says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
And, uh, he hasn't been working right yet.
Under his control, hold on.
You over here?
Yeah, bud.
Okay.
You got a fight?
Wanna make up some more?
Same thing.
Okay, bud, I'll come back to you.
Yes.
Right.
Okay, buddy.
Okay, buddy.
Uh, yeah.
So, uh, he's talking, you know.
He says he's in there.
Uh, my buddy, uh, is also coming over.
He's over my dead body here.
You know, anybody that disrespects the human body like that, the body is beautiful and all that, you know.
And he says, you're right, Bob, you're absolutely right, you know, you have to take off the clothes, you know.
And the daughter, the thing right there, you know, can take off the pants, just the way you do them, the part that you do.
He says, I'm not going to be wrong, I'm being beautiful.
He says, you know, he can take off the t-shirt, he can take off the pants, you know.
And everybody was like, man, he's got to get up and put his clothes back on.
But it's all about the chair.
He's got to sit down in the chair.
All the clothes are off, you know.
He's got to sit down in the chair.
He's got to put up his pants while he's sitting down in the chair.
He's got to sit down in the chair.
And he's sitting down in the chair.
And he's sitting down in the chair.
And he's sitting down in the chair.
And he's sitting down in the chair.
And he's sitting down in the chair.
And he's sitting down in the chair.
I can't get it on.
It seems like it's pretty good.
Oh, man.
I don't know.
It's, uh...
It's, uh... Yeah.
Oh, yeah?
Where's your mother?
Oh, here we go again.
Yeah, all the family members, all of them do.
Let's get together.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know what we shot, but I don't know if it's correct.
117, look.
It was 117, we're dead.
Oh yeah.
We're on board there.
Good.
Good.
I thought I was over here now.
No.
No, you're not on that door.
I do all my thoughts.
It's all the same to me.
Yes.
Hello there.
I'd like to say hello to everyone today.
I was watching the jigsaw here tonight.
And there was a lot of prosecution.
One place he hit was a man.
He looked for a lost person.
He had his car.
I was like, I trust him.
I was like, no.

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She doesn't see a problem because she didn't want it.
And, uh, she just said, I don't want to, you know, she just, you know, she's not prepared.
But, you know, I think that's what it was.
The head should guide you, should guide you, what you need, what you don't need.
You don't need to shoot a gun, you don't need to shoot a gun.
You don't need to shoot a gun, you don't need to shoot a gun.

— 1 min 21 s with no transcribed speech —

Over there, you see a cell phone.
It's got a lot of your stuff on here.
All right, now, next, you can, you know, you can get four or five guys here and pass them out right there.
I'm just going to have to throw.
Try it.
I'm going to put my arm across the edge.
I'm just going to be right here.
You know?
Yeah.
Tiki-tiki the thing.
That's the whole thing, too, you know?
The only one that can't have it.
All right, here we go.
All right, here we go.
Keep up the good work, buddy.

Also recorded on February 23, 1973

  • 863-004 5:40 PM · 7 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:40 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973.
  • 863-005 5:40 PM · 2 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:40 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973.
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  • 863-007 5:40 PM · 1 min — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:40 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973.
  • 863-008 5:40 PM · 1 min — Unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:40 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973.
  • 863-009 5:40 PM · 17 sec — United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House on an unknown date, sometime between 5:40 pm on February 23, 1973 and 8:58 am on February 26, 1973.
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Conversation 863-021, February 23, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/863-021 (accessed November 15, 2026).