{"conversationCode":"864-002","tapeNumber":864,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-864-002","startDateTime":"1973-02-27T20:46:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-27T20:55:00.000Z","startDate":"27-Feb-1973","startTime":"3:46 PM","endDate":"27-Feb-1973","endTime":"3:55 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On February 27, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:46 pm and 3:55 pm. 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Marks\n                             -Event\n                      -Mills Godwin\n\n       Astronauts\n              -Apollo 17\n                     -Camp David visit\n              -Meetings with President\n                     -Gifts\n              -Return to Washington\n\f                                               -2-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 864-2 (cont’d)\n\n       President's meeting with Sammy Davis, Jr.\n              -Evening at the White House\n              -Location\n              -Saturday meeting\n              -Visit to White House\n                      -Meeting with President\n                      -Rose Mary Woods\n                      -Wife [Altovise Davis]\n              -Evening at White House\n                      -Overnight stay\n              -Saturday meeting\n\n       Ambassadors' credentials\n            -Families\n                    -Presence\n            -Format of ceremony\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 3:55 pm.","filename":["864-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"864-001","nextCode":"864-003","transcript":[{"start":30.2,"end":35.73,"text":"I don't care."},{"start":35.91,"end":39.17,"text":"I don't care."},{"start":51,"end":56.59,"text":"I wanted to remind you that the O-17 astronauts will be taking camp data this Friday night."},{"start":56.6,"end":58.59,"text":"You can share that with the invitation."},{"start":59.41,"end":64.67,"text":"So that if you want to go up there, you can go up there."},{"start":64.69,"end":67.91,"text":"Is there anything that you want to do with the astronauts?"},{"start":68.35,"end":69.97,"text":"I'll get them to watch this in your cab."},{"start":79.02,"end":81.04,"text":"I have to meet them."},{"start":81.08,"end":82.26,"text":"Why don't they be back?"},{"start":82.78,"end":84.54,"text":"They'll be back Saturday around 5 o'clock, sir."},{"start":85.44,"end":87.14,"text":"Well, that's all right."},{"start":87.34,"end":88.08,"text":"That's all right."},{"start":88.9,"end":90.3,"text":"I can meet them."},{"start":90.4,"end":99.87,"text":"Yeah, you give them watches by the afternoon."},{"start":103.81,"end":108.03,"text":"Saturday the studio will probably request a time to talk with you privately."},{"start":109.04,"end":110.02,"text":"Would you intend to turn that off?"},{"start":110.04,"end":111.1,"text":"No, no, no."},{"start":112.08,"end":115.98,"text":"But if he does, rather than taking up your time, do you want to see him before the evening?"},{"start":116.06,"end":116.42,"text":"Sure."},{"start":117.26,"end":122.7,"text":"I mean, upstairs or... Well, no, he has to do his business."},{"start":122.78,"end":126.57,"text":"I mean, if he comes to the town, I'll see him Saturday afternoon."},{"start":126.59,"end":128.09,"text":"Excuse me."},{"start":128.15,"end":129.27,"text":"Or Saturday morning."},{"start":129.29,"end":131.37,"text":"Saturday afternoon, Saturday morning."},{"start":132.43,"end":134.05,"text":"Now, what time is he in?"},{"start":134.09,"end":137.17,"text":"He's invited to come to the White House at what time?"},{"start":137.19,"end":137.59,"text":"His evening."},{"start":137.61,"end":138.31,"text":"He said his evening is at 8.30."},{"start":141.18,"end":145.18,"text":"Well, I don't want to have a problem with that."},{"start":172.42,"end":184.19,"text":"I think with his white hair, that'll keep him out of whatever substance matter he might want to raise."},{"start":185.89,"end":186.55,"text":"Anyway, fine."},{"start":186.61,"end":187.69,"text":"Just to find out this."},{"start":231.34,"end":242.03,"text":"And I'll see you the following morning at 10 o'clock, before he leaves on a mission to check."},{"start":242.05,"end":248.01,"text":"I don't think that the last thing we can do is get rid of the bandits."},{"start":248.05,"end":248.57,"text":"That's right."},{"start":248.59,"end":250.11,"text":"Do you want to continue?"},{"start":250.15,"end":255.4,"text":"I recall the original purpose of getting involved in discussions."},{"start":255.59,"end":257.92,"text":"Would you like to reconsider the bandits?"},{"start":258.7,"end":258.76,"text":"No."},{"start":258.78,"end":259.26,"text":"Don't bother with that."},{"start":260.89,"end":263.15,"text":"They were fine."},{"start":263.83,"end":265.71,"text":"They don't need to."}],"audioDurationSec":288,"audioFiles":[{"file":"864-002.mp3","bytes":6925408,"durationSec":288.44,"bitrate":192078,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.696Z","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Stephen B. 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