{"conversationCode":"865-021","tapeNumber":865,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-865-021","startDateTime":"1973-02-28T15:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-02-28T16:07:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Feb-1973","startTime":"10:59 AM","endDate":"28-Feb-1973","endTime":"11:07 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On February 28, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:59 am and 11:07 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 865-021 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 865-21\n\nDate: February 28, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 10:59 am and 11:07 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n       Henry A. Kissinger\n             -Ziegler’s briefing\n             -Meeting\n                     -Yitzhak Rabin\n             -Contacts with the press\n\nZiegler left at an unknown time before 11:07 am.","filename":["865-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"865-020","nextCode":"865-022","transcript":[{"start":0.54,"end":3.78,"text":"he was in the meeting"},{"start":26,"end":55,"text":"i find out when somebody didn't take his time that much yeah but you're one of those you don't think he did one of those press groups yeah i'm sure of that now you should know it i think my sense is that he was at one of his private meetings i don't know that you know the generally when he's out at the private meeting i go to my say where's henry they said well he's out of the meeting if he was out at a press room they would say he's over there"},{"start":55.94,"end":71.57,"text":"Well, I'm sorry, but I just wanted to, I just wanted to, I don't, I mean, it's fine, and I don't know if we're doing this in town, but we are guided by Trump, and we're baiting him, and he's not, maybe on the internet, so I'm on the internet."},{"start":72.75,"end":73.73,"text":"It's perfectly all right."},{"start":74.65,"end":77.78,"text":"But you're watching live, like a hawk, where you're on the president."},{"start":78,"end":81.28,"text":"It's not a citizen, we're at home, self-protection, right?"},{"start":85.53,"end":86.03,"text":"Okay, I'll ."}],"audioDurationSec":94,"audioFiles":[{"file":"865-021.mp3","bytes":2257856,"durationSec":93.96,"bitrate":192239,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.696Z","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Press Secretary Ronald Ziegler in the Oval Office to discuss Henry Kissinger's activities. Ziegler briefed the President on Kissinger's meeting with Yitzhak Rabin and Kissinger's contacts with the press. The conversation touched upon how to manage press relations and potentially influence public perception.","topics":["Henry Kissinger","Ronald Ziegler","Yitzhak Rabin","Press Relations","White House Briefing","Oval Office Meeting"],"generatedAt":"2026-09-18T02:23:59.482Z"},"topicSlugs":["henry-kissinger","ronald-ziegler","yitzhak-rabin","press-relations","white-house-briefing","oval-office-meeting"],"audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/865-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/865-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/865/conversation-865-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}