{"conversationCode":"867-021","tapeNumber":867,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-867-021","startDateTime":"1973-03-02T21:08:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-02T22:05:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Mar-1973","startTime":"4:08 PM","endDate":"2-Mar-1973","endTime":"5:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Cohen, Edwin S.; Cohen, Edwin S. (Mrs.);","description":"On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Edwin S. Cohen, and Mrs. Cohen met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm. 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Shultz\n             -Advice to Cohen\n\n        New job\n             -Cohen's value\n\n        Cohen's performance\n             -President's appreciation\n\n        Lobbying\n             -Shultz\n\nMr. and Mrs. Cohen left.\n\f                                          -37-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                      (rev. June-2010)","filename":["867-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Cohen, Edwin S.","Cohen, Edwin S. (Mrs.)"],"prevCode":"867-020","nextCode":"867-022","transcript":[{"start":4.17,"end":4.37,"text":"Well."},{"start":4.39,"end":8.49,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President."},{"start":8.81,"end":10.62,"text":"I'm glad to see you."},{"start":10.65,"end":12.39,"text":"Okay, good, all right."},{"start":13.12,"end":14.92,"text":"Yes, just had a mini operation."},{"start":19.26,"end":23.68,"text":"Well, we're sorry to lose you, but let's go over here and get you a picture."},{"start":23.7,"end":27.9,"text":"And so you can go down and share with your clients an extra couple."},{"start":35.11,"end":37.99,"text":"I'm sorry to trouble you, but I ain't sure."},{"start":40.21,"end":43.45,"text":"Well, I'll never forget I've seen this picture."},{"start":44.35,"end":52.94,"text":"It shows over there, and you were kind enough to tell me that you would be delighted for me to stay, but your personal advice to me was to get out and make some money."},{"start":55.2,"end":57.03,"text":"Now again, that's what you ought to do."},{"start":57.3,"end":58.58,"text":"You deserve it."},{"start":58.6,"end":59.02,"text":"You deserve it."},{"start":59.06,"end":59.66,"text":"You really do."},{"start":59.78,"end":60.22,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":60.44,"end":61.8,"text":"And then you can do something else."},{"start":61.84,"end":73.4,"text":"But the main thing, sober enough, I know what these big terms are, and that you're our sponsor."},{"start":73.44,"end":73.82,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":73.86,"end":78.8,"text":"There are very few people who don't know anything about this."},{"start":78.84,"end":79.32,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":79.54,"end":80.82,"text":"It's been a great pleasure."},{"start":80.86,"end":81.8,"text":"Well, you've been a great help to us."},{"start":81.84,"end":84.82,"text":"You've been our hope."},{"start":87.13,"end":91.57,"text":"Well, George, let me call on you for extra."},{"start":91.63,"end":95.64,"text":"You've been in the lobby for hundreds of hours."},{"start":95.78,"end":96.24,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":96.28,"end":96.64,"text":"Thank you."}],"audioDurationSec":103,"audioFiles":[{"file":"867-021.mp3","bytes":808960,"durationSec":102.8,"bitrate":62954,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.696Z","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Treasury Secretary Edwin Cohen and his wife, along with Stephen Bull, to discuss Cohen's recent minor surgery and his impending departure from his government position. The President expressed his appreciation for Cohen's service and advised him to pursue lucrative opportunities in the private sector, referencing advice from George Shultz. A photograph was taken to commemorate Cohen's time in service.","topics":["Edwin Cohen","Treasury Secretary","President Nixon","Departure from office","Private sector opportunities","George Shultz","White House photographer"],"generatedAt":"2026-09-18T02:25:14.888Z"},"topicSlugs":["edwin-cohen","treasury-secretary","president-nixon","departure-from-office","private-sector-opportunities","george-shultz","white-house-photographer"],"audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/867-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/867-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/867/conversation-867-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}