{"conversationCode":"867-022","tapeNumber":867,"conversationNumber":22,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-867-022","startDateTime":"1973-03-02T21:08:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-02T22:05:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Mar-1973","startTime":"4:08 PM","endDate":"2-Mar-1973","endTime":"5:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Finger, Harold; Finger, Harold (Mrs.);","description":"On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Harold Finger, and Mrs. Harold Finger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm. 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DiBona\n\nMr. and Mrs. Finger left.","filename":["867-022.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Finger, Harold","Finger, Harold (Mrs.)"],"prevCode":"867-021","nextCode":"867-023","transcript":[{"start":0.71,"end":1.79,"text":"You're Mrs. Carol's finger?"},{"start":2.67,"end":5.45,"text":"Well, hello, Harvey."},{"start":5.51,"end":10.05,"text":"We thought we'd better get a picture of the view before you left here."},{"start":10.09,"end":12.29,"text":"Well, we're just waiting around for Tuesday."},{"start":12.31,"end":12.81,"text":"Come on over here."},{"start":12.84,"end":13.55,"text":"Stand on the right."},{"start":15.34,"end":20.94,"text":"We've got this all set up on some kind of a run of flies."},{"start":25.04,"end":25.38,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":25.4,"end":25.7,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":25.74,"end":26.36,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":26.96,"end":27.45,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":27.48,"end":27.97,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":28.57,"end":29.17,"text":"I'm sorry."},{"start":31.03,"end":32.15,"text":"Yeah, I saw it generally."},{"start":32.17,"end":36.33,"text":"And I think that's an area that really needs attention."},{"start":36.35,"end":39.64,"text":"You know, we're going to do the cross-fertilization of all the separate people in government."},{"start":39.66,"end":46,"text":"If you've been in for a while, you can get back and move back."},{"start":47.54,"end":49.54,"text":"Because otherwise you've got a distorted view."},{"start":50.28,"end":52.73,"text":"And they need to see a review over there, too."},{"start":52.74,"end":54.39,"text":"People need to hear what the government's all about."},{"start":57.56,"end":59.75,"text":"I know that."},{"start":59.87,"end":63.09,"text":"I have experiments, and I don't..."},{"start":65.97,"end":67.75,"text":"I mean, I'm a bargain car."},{"start":67.77,"end":68.77,"text":"You know, I'm big."},{"start":68.79,"end":71.27,"text":"I mean, I helped him."},{"start":71.29,"end":72.05,"text":"In 29 years?"},{"start":72.07,"end":72.57,"text":"Almost."},{"start":72.77,"end":75.37,"text":"You must have started as a kid."},{"start":75.41,"end":76.35,"text":"Well, I started in 1944."},{"start":76.51,"end":79.45,"text":"It's been, I was in NASA in the 80s, too."},{"start":79.49,"end":83.25,"text":"And all of that ties together, really, for this opportunity."},{"start":83.27,"end":85.06,"text":"Where do you, where are you stationed now?"},{"start":85.08,"end":85.5,"text":"In New York?"},{"start":85.59,"end":89.74,"text":"No, we're going to set up a Center for Energy Systems here in Washington."},{"start":89.76,"end":94.56,"text":"I also have an operation, an engineering operation that's connected."},{"start":95.46,"end":107.45,"text":"so you should get a lot of money for that thank you very much"},{"start":118.38,"end":118.72,"text":"I know."},{"start":118.74,"end":119.2,"text":"He's right."},{"start":119.3,"end":121.9,"text":"Very good advice."},{"start":121.92,"end":122.4,"text":"Thank you."}],"audioDurationSec":130,"audioFiles":[{"file":"867-022.mp3","bytes":1038336,"durationSec":130.41,"bitrate":63695,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.697Z","aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Harold and Mrs. Finger in the Oval Office to discuss Finger's upcoming move to a new job with General Electric. The conversation touched upon Finger's distinguished career in government, including his time at NASA and the Atomic Energy Commission, and the President expressed his appreciation for Finger's service and performance. They also discussed the importance of cross-fertilization between government and private industry, with Finger's new role involving the establishment of an energy systems center in Washington.","topics":["Harold Finger","Mrs. Harold Finger","Richard Nixon","General Electric","NASA","Atomic Energy Commission","Government-Industry Exchange","Energy Systems Center"],"generatedAt":"2026-09-18T02:25:16.930Z"},"topicSlugs":["harold-finger","mrs-harold-finger","richard-nixon","general-electric","nasa","atomic-energy-commission","government-industry-exchange","energy-systems-center"],"audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/867-022.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/867-022","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/867/conversation-867-022","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}