Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 867 › Conversation 867-029

Nixon, Villarreal & Bull on Personnel appointments

Friday, March 2, 1973 · 4:08 PM–5:05 PM ET · Oval Office · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Villarreal, Carlos C.; Villarreal, Carlos C. (Mrs.)Conversation867-029 on Tape 867StartFriday, March 2, 1973 at 4:08 PMEndFriday, March 2, 1973 at 5:05 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 867-029 ↗

AI Summary

President Nixon met with Carlos C. Villarreal and his wife, along with aide Stephen B. Bull, to discuss potential new employment opportunities for Villarreal within the administration. The conversation focused on evaluating two Washington-based positions: Assistant Secretary of the Navy and a role within the Agency for International Development (AID). Nixon encouraged Villarreal to pursue the Navy position, specifically suggesting he coordinate an interview with Secretary of the Navy John W. Warner.

Carlos C. Villarreal
Personnel appointments
Assistant Secretary of the Navy
Agency for International Development
John W. Warner
Hispanic outreach

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Professor, Mr. and Mrs. Carlson, are you real?

Oh, yes.

How are you?

Good to see you.

How are you?

Nice to see you.

Well, we want to get our formal picture here for you.

Good.

I understand that you're still considering any other evening, but if you will, what would you like to order?

Well, I spoke with Jerry .

He told me that there were two alternatives to the issue of that.

One was- Maybe it's another one.

The Secretary of the Navy's restoration of business.

Mm-hm.

And I'm going to make an interview with him this week.

All right.

The other, as you said, was .

Yes, yes.

Those are good positions.

Very important.

AID is the truth.

Yes.

Where is it?

Here.

Well, I think that's part of the argument.

Well, I don't know.

What was the woman going to say?

She said, Mr. President, I'm not sure if it was a foreign country or not.

And I want it to be here in Washington.

Well, you could have said it would have been.

I see the AID, of course, to be a foreign country out here.

Yes.

He doesn't have a big office here.

Of course, those are the best jobs we have here.

He's got to be the responsibility.

He's got to be a man.

He has to be a man.

rather than being working for somebody else.

But other than that, I think that if I was in the Navy, it would be a good chance to be built out of the game.

And also the service.

Most of the service isn't true.

That would be very, very bad.

I wanted to say, Mr. President, to continue to help you, we've got those Spanish people.

That's why we want you, we want you, we want you to do it, and consider either one of them.

Both of those are in Washington.

Yes, they are.

And I would, in my track, prefer these sisters to be in the Navy.

That would be good.

Is that John Warner?

That's John Warner, yes, sir.

Go talk to him.

That's good.

That would be very, very interesting, too.

The Navy is such a solid business.

Well, sir, were you in the Navy?

Yes, I'm in the Navy.

Take the Navy, that's what I mean.

But also, you come around the world, you know, you create.

Well, I'll tell you now.

There's such a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a, there's a,

Thank you.

NARA Description

On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Carlos C. Villarreal, and Mrs. Carlos C. Villarreal met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 867-029 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 867-29

Date: March 2, 1973
Time: Unknown between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Mr. and Mrs. Carlos C. Villarreal; Stephen B. Bull and the White House
photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.

       Introductions
       Photographs

       New job
            -Jerry H. Jones
            -Alternative posts
                  -Assistant Secretary of the Navy
                  -Commissioner of the Postal Rate Commission
                  -Agency for International Development [AID]
                  -Location
                  -Foreign policy
                        -Head of mission

       Villarreal's support for President
             -Hispanics
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                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                                            Conversation No. 867-29 (cont’d)

       New job for Villarreal
            -Assistant Secretary of Navy
                  -John W. Warner
            -Naval Academy graduate

Mr. and Mrs. Villarreal left.

Also recorded on March 2, 1973

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867-021 4:08 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Edwin S. Cohen, and Mrs. Cohen met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.
867-022 4:08 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Harold Finger, and Mrs. Harold Finger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.
867-023 4:08 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Robert C. Moot, and Mrs. Robert C. Moot met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.
867-024 4:08 PM · 1 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Richard F. Schubert, and Mrs. Richard F. Schubert met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.
867-025 4:08 PM · 5 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Charles L. Ill, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.
867-026 4:08 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Samuel Jackson, and Mrs. Samuel Jackson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.
867-027 4:08 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Spencer Schedler met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm.

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Cite this conversation

Conversation 867-029, March 2, 1973. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/867-029 (accessed October 12, 2026).