{"conversationCode":"867-032","tapeNumber":867,"conversationNumber":32,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-867-032","startDateTime":"1973-03-02T21:08:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-02T22:05:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Mar-1973","startTime":"4:08 PM","endDate":"2-Mar-1973","endTime":"5:05 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.; Shaffer, John H.; Shaffer, John H. (Mrs.);","description":"On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, John H. Shaffer, and Mrs. John H. Shaffer met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:08 pm and 5:05 pm. 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Bull and the White House\nphotographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.\n\n       Introductions\n\n       Photographs\n\n       Federal Aviation Administration [FAA] [?]\n\n       Job before joining administration\n             -Trans World Airways [TWA]\n             -Businessman\n\n       Appreciation for job\n\n       Burning Tree Country Club membership\n            -Other clubs\n                  -Columbia\n                        -President's golf game\n                              -Score\n                        -Bob Beck’s retirement\n\nMr. and Mrs. Shaffer left.\n\f                                            -47-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                       (rev. June-2010)","filename":["867-032.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B.","Shaffer, John H.","Shaffer, John H. (Mrs.)"],"prevCode":"867-031","nextCode":"867-033","transcript":[{"start":0.45,"end":5.59,"text":"Well, how are you?"},{"start":5.75,"end":7.25,"text":"I'm safe."},{"start":7.33,"end":9.82,"text":"Well, how are you?"},{"start":9.86,"end":10.66,"text":"I'm safe."},{"start":12.34,"end":19.6,"text":"But we want to get to a picture that you can have, you know, for all your warriors here, because they're on the aviation outfit."},{"start":19.78,"end":25.12,"text":"You're going to be closer, I guess."},{"start":27.94,"end":29.84,"text":"Or you were with them before, or around them?"},{"start":31.13,"end":33.07,"text":"Uh-huh."},{"start":57.6,"end":63.12,"text":"Have you owned it all the time you've been in there?"},{"start":63.69,"end":66.03,"text":"Well, we've been following it down."},{"start":66.05,"end":66.17,"text":"Right."},{"start":66.87,"end":73.97,"text":"You've had the church."},{"start":74.25,"end":77.49,"text":"I appreciate it."},{"start":78.78,"end":80.74,"text":"I don't think they're all there."},{"start":80.78,"end":81.9,"text":"Not really."},{"start":81.92,"end":87.93,"text":"Well, someday, someday we'll be here trying to treat you with that."},{"start":87.99,"end":88.97,"text":"Are you a burning tree?"},{"start":89.03,"end":91.53,"text":"Yeah, I'm a burning tree."},{"start":91.59,"end":94.25,"text":"You've got to be proud of it."},{"start":94.37,"end":96.97,"text":"It's here."},{"start":96.99,"end":98.63,"text":"It's a great place."},{"start":99.17,"end":101.83,"text":"It's a great place."},{"start":104.8,"end":107.27,"text":"What is it?"},{"start":107.47,"end":108,"text":"About six."},{"start":108.05,"end":108.33,"text":"Ten now."},{"start":108.43,"end":109.43,"text":"That's good enough."},{"start":109.97,"end":111.15,"text":"You're now getting up to eight."},{"start":111.27,"end":111.87,"text":"I think you're six."},{"start":112.19,"end":116.07,"text":"I think it'll be back."},{"start":116.15,"end":118.33,"text":"Do you have a ten at the burning tree?"},{"start":119.11,"end":120.37,"text":"It was seven when I got here."},{"start":120.43,"end":120.95,"text":"Good, good, good."},{"start":120.97,"end":121.53,"text":"That's right."},{"start":123.49,"end":123.93,"text":"You played too."},{"start":124.55,"end":125.65,"text":"But not there."},{"start":125.69,"end":127.81,"text":"Columbia."},{"start":128.01,"end":129.59,"text":"Well, I'm useful on that."},{"start":129.61,"end":132.06,"text":"I once had an eagle on the number three."},{"start":133.24,"end":136.91,"text":"But, you know, that's a long part, three or four."},{"start":137.25,"end":137.87,"text":"Two shots."},{"start":137.88,"end":139.31,"text":"So, we were there."},{"start":139.39,"end":140.87,"text":"And I thought, we retired."},{"start":140.91,"end":142.01,"text":"We retired, yes."},{"start":142.07,"end":142.69,"text":"That's right."},{"start":142.77,"end":145.27,"text":"He's a great fellow, wasn't he?"},{"start":145.39,"end":145.93,"text":"Yes, he was."},{"start":145.97,"end":147.89,"text":"Good to see you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with FAA Administrator John H. Shaffer and his wife, accompanied by Stephen B. Bull, for a social visit in the Oval Office. The conversation consisted primarily of introductions, formal photography, and casual chitchat regarding Shaffer’s professional background at Trans World Airways. The group also discussed recreational topics, specifically their shared memberships at private golf clubs and the President’s performance on the links.","topics":["FAA","John H. 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