{"conversationCode":"867-037","tapeNumber":867,"conversationNumber":37,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-867-037","startDateTime":"1973-03-02T22:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-02T22:14:00.000Z","startDate":"2-Mar-1973","startTime":"5:12 PM","endDate":"2-Mar-1973","endTime":"5:14 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Klein, Herbert G.; Bull, Stephen B.; Kingwell, Donna J.;","description":"On March 2, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Herbert G. Klein, Stephen B. Bull, and Donna J. Kingwell met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:12 pm to 5:14 pm. 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Bull and the White\nHouse photographer were present at the beginning of the meeting.\n\n       Greetings\n\n       Photograph\n\n       Kingwell's residence in Monrovia, California\n\f                                             -53-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 867-37 (cont’d)\n\n             -Whittier College\n\n       Kingwell's new job\n\n       President's appreciation for work\n\n       Trip to People's Republic of China [PRC] by Klein\n             -Henry A. Kissinger\n                   -Klein\n                   -Public relations\n             -Photographs\n\nHenry A. Kissinger entered at an unknown time before 5:40 pm.\n\n       Klein’s praise for Kissinger\n\nKlein, Bull, and Kingwell left.","filename":["867-037.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Klein, Herbert G.","Bull, Stephen B.","Kingwell, Donna J."],"prevCode":"867-036","nextCode":"867-038","transcript":[{"start":1.6,"end":2.16,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":2.18,"end":2.98,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":3.24,"end":3.58,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":3.64,"end":4.32,"text":"Your girl is here."},{"start":4.38,"end":5.22,"text":"She's leaving, huh?"},{"start":5.26,"end":5.64,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":5.68,"end":6.48,"text":"This is Sonny King."},{"start":6.86,"end":7.58,"text":"We're doing research."},{"start":8.08,"end":8.38,"text":"How are you?"},{"start":8.4,"end":10.03,"text":"I take it over here."},{"start":10.65,"end":12.25,"text":"I'm over here."},{"start":12.31,"end":16.31,"text":"She's going back to California to get your vest."},{"start":16.45,"end":18.89,"text":"I'll be right back."},{"start":26.42,"end":29.86,"text":"We're so glad to have you."},{"start":30.4,"end":41.49,"text":"We appreciate all your work."},{"start":55.75,"end":57.16,"text":"Great battles, travels, and all."},{"start":57.68,"end":58.72,"text":"Did you go with her to China?"},{"start":58.74,"end":60.68,"text":"No, I didn't."},{"start":60.76,"end":62.1,"text":"Why didn't you take her?"},{"start":62.58,"end":65.14,"text":"It didn't make a lot of good sense."},{"start":65.17,"end":66.45,"text":"Yeah, it wasn't a great trip for you?"},{"start":66.47,"end":67.17,"text":"No, it wasn't."},{"start":67.19,"end":72.57,"text":"I was just talking to Dennis, and he did love it."},{"start":72.59,"end":74.42,"text":"It was, you know, I really enjoyed it."},{"start":77.96,"end":79.64,"text":"He doesn't know."},{"start":79.66,"end":81,"text":"This is a jewelry woman."},{"start":81.48,"end":84.92,"text":"They're going to get around him."},{"start":84.98,"end":85.34,"text":"Man, I'm right."},{"start":85.36,"end":87.78,"text":"This is him."},{"start":87.8,"end":90.14,"text":"And it's all these press guys."},{"start":90.16,"end":90.8,"text":"He's selling a lot of that."},{"start":90.86,"end":91.02,"text":"I know."},{"start":91.24,"end":94.04,"text":"The trouble is, he doesn't understand."},{"start":94.16,"end":94.44,"text":"That's VR."},{"start":94.5,"end":95.04,"text":"That's not anything."},{"start":95.06,"end":95.88,"text":"Oh, I got through it."},{"start":95.9,"end":96.04,"text":"I know."},{"start":96.06,"end":96.18,"text":"I know."},{"start":96.2,"end":96.54,"text":"I heard it right."},{"start":96.56,"end":96.98,"text":"I was so glad."},{"start":97,"end":98.05,"text":"See, I had the idea."},{"start":98.06,"end":100.33,"text":"I said, you've got to get some money on it."},{"start":100.35,"end":103.89,"text":"I said, well, why not?"},{"start":104.89,"end":106.31,"text":"That worked out very recently."},{"start":109.61,"end":111.27,"text":"On the greatest thrill I've ever had in my life."},{"start":111.33,"end":111.75,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":111.77,"end":120.7,"text":"I was, I was not even required to put that up, at least when we got a picture of you, C-141, just to take you out."},{"start":120.72,"end":122.1,"text":"Yeah, first at C-141."},{"start":122.12,"end":124.9,"text":"Is that right?"},{"start":125.36,"end":125.78,"text":"That's right."},{"start":125.84,"end":128.02,"text":"Well, we'll see you, and, uh, nice to see you when you leave."},{"start":128.04,"end":132.16,"text":"We'll see you when I, uh, I hope you don't have to work so hard for your next fall, I'll be sure."},{"start":133.52,"end":134.04,"text":"Uh, go ahead."},{"start":134.06,"end":134.38,"text":"All right."},{"start":136.5,"end":137.02,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Herbert G. Klein and Donna J. Kingwell to bid farewell to Kingwell as she transitioned to a new position in California. The discussion touched upon personal matters, including Kingwell's residence and background, alongside reflections on Klein’s public relations work and his recent trip to the People's Republic of China. The meeting concluded with the President expressing his appreciation for their service.","topics":["Herbert G. Klein","Donna J. 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