{"conversationCode":"868-004","tapeNumber":868,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-868-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-03T14:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-03T14:17:00.000Z","startDate":"3-Mar-1973","startTime":"9:10 AM","endDate":"3-Mar-1973","endTime":"9:17 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 3, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:10 am and 9:17 am. 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Bull.\n\n       President's schedule\n             -Meeting with George Foreman\n                    -Cancellation\n                          -Wife's case of flu\n                    -Rescheduling\n             -Evening at the White House\n                    -Irving Berlin\n                          -Cancellation\n                          -Change\n                    -Karen and Richard Carpenter\n                    -Sammy Davis Jr.\n\nBull left at 9:17 am.","filename":["868-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"868-003","nextCode":"868-005","transcript":[{"start":5.42,"end":9.44,"text":"We will make it stay here tonight, sir."},{"start":10.48,"end":14.8,"text":"George, you work in the box, sir."},{"start":14.99,"end":16.33,"text":"Oh, his wife got the flu."},{"start":16.45,"end":17.97,"text":"Yes, sir, got the flu."},{"start":18.53,"end":21.51,"text":"Apparently she has a prince of heroism."},{"start":21.53,"end":22.59,"text":"He can't be here."},{"start":22.63,"end":24.09,"text":"Oh, we can invite him out."},{"start":24.17,"end":27.53,"text":"He just wants to spend two weeks."},{"start":27.55,"end":30,"text":"We'll invite him the next week."},{"start":30.02,"end":30.3,"text":"Maybe once."},{"start":30.32,"end":31.58,"text":"Maybe the other week, the way I see it."},{"start":32.98,"end":35.8,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":36.95,"end":47.88,"text":"He's very honored with it."},{"start":50.95,"end":51.17,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":51.39,"end":52.19,"text":"Well, he wants to wait."},{"start":52.73,"end":53.09,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":53.17,"end":62.52,"text":"What he basically said was that if you're having eating and entertainment without any press, people would say, what's the matter with the convention?"},{"start":62.7,"end":62.86,"text":"Right."},{"start":62.92,"end":63.26,"text":"Good."},{"start":63.42,"end":63.66,"text":"Good."},{"start":64.5,"end":64.66,"text":"Fine."},{"start":64.68,"end":65.62,"text":"Well, that's it."},{"start":65.66,"end":67.3,"text":"What are they working on?"},{"start":67.34,"end":73.46,"text":"We're working on other entertainment, including the carpenters group."},{"start":73.48,"end":74.98,"text":"Just a mixed bag."},{"start":75,"end":75.2,"text":"I agree."},{"start":75.4,"end":76.06,"text":"We must appreciate it."},{"start":76.08,"end":76.16,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":76.18,"end":78.34,"text":"I mean, not a mixed sort of variety show."},{"start":80.17,"end":80.97,"text":"We'd like to find out."},{"start":81.37,"end":86.06,"text":"We want to see if we can lock in a good entertainer along the lines of seeing his junior one person when we do it."},{"start":86.11,"end":88.45,"text":"And then bring it out there."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull reviewed logistical adjustments to the President's upcoming social schedule, specifically addressing the cancellation of a meeting with boxer George Foreman due to his wife's illness. They discussed rescheduling Foreman's visit and refined plans for an evening White House entertainment event. The conversation prioritized selecting high-profile musical guests, such as Sammy Davis Jr. or the Carpenters, to ensure the event's stature was maintained without negative press implications.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","George Foreman","White House entertainment","Public relations","Event planning"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T22:43:30.151Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","george-foreman","white-house-entertainment","public-relations","event-planning"],"audioDurationSec":93,"audioFiles":[{"file":"868-004.mp3","bytes":710656,"durationSec":93.49,"bitrate":60809,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.696Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/868-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/868-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/868/conversation-868-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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