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Hello, Jack.

How are you?

Hello.

See you.

Hello.

No problem.

Sit over here.

Wait a minute.

You got a... Oh, is that not...

Sorry.

Hold on.

No, no.

Wait a minute.

Oh.

Wait a minute.

You look out and get a nice...

Well, the problem I pose with planes these days is not whether we have to make all those checks that will stem that inheritance.

We have to support Washington.

Coffee or tea or Coca-Cola, iced tea.

I have tea.

No, I think I'll have coffee now.

Well, we've still got a lot of problems, but one of the things of course,

So we should really stop and think about how the world has changed in this last year, the China initiative, the Russian initiative.

Now, this doesn't mean that they've changed at all a lot, but it does mean that chances of our opening up the world and avoiding conflicts in the future is down first of all, and finally bringing it to some point.

It took more time than we would have wanted, but at least it was done.

It's kind of hard to knock success off a guy.

And people feel much better about it now.

Just don't think when we came in, Jack, we've gone through the riots, the kids were burned, the libraries.

continued some, even the early minority girls on there, all carrying the banners.

But now, they've subsided pretty much, very much.

I mean, they're still sort of this radical, you know, the use of just senseless tactics, you know, shouting, trying to disrupt meetings and so forth, and sort of become part of the American scene.

And, of course, it's that terrible because of the cartoon in the cave.

That's an international disease now.

I mean, we've got them in this country.

That crazy guy, Sean Wallace, I mean, he's crazy.

Well, you know, you've got this book this time.

You think it is?

Oh, I know it is, Mr. President.

I know it is.

They're sick.

Much of it is sick.

Well, the people over there grabbed this embassy.

But you see, that's the likes of Congress.

They're not frustrated.

The Arabs are frustrated because Israel, of course, is just getting the hell out of them any time they take them along.

So what do they do?

They're poor.

They're not going anywhere.

And so they just get out and do the same things.

Well, I've not settled around such a thing as a villain.

I don't believe it.

They're bad people.

But so much of the crime, I mean, the studies that I've done in the jails, you know, these people become peaceful people.

I'd be afraid to sit in the room with some of them.

They flower a tiger and allow it to take its medicine.

All of that has gone down and become gone.

And...

It's another thing.

I was delighted to hear that Moe Lewis was going to do a piece.

I mean, not he's going to do it, but the digest is going to do a piece.

Or who was, or did, or what?

Well, it's been written.

I think it shows editorialization.

But I've been told it's going to be done.

And, in fact, I did a check with the minimum attention journal, sir.

Oh, God, yes.

They have to, they need total independence, and they've got a right against it.

They, you can't have it.

Not even from, well, I wanted to, I wanted to show you what I, what I did before.

So you, so you, I'm saying my, I'm not telling you what I did.

I don't have to tell the story, but.

Sure.

I can.

Sure.

Let's go.

You know, I think I know you.

Well, when you're on vacation, you're still busy.

No, well, even if you can get away from it, you need that to resupply.

You've done such incredible things in a short time, in your presence.

And as an area, no person's ever had the real opportunity to do something about it.

And you've got a chance to do something so great in medicine, that I can't describe how great it is.

Because you have an unbelievable series of facts, and how the Lean Medical Foundation has done it.

the evidence that this is the greatest medicine that there is.

And nobody has to dispute it.

It's just absolute blemish.

The fact that there isn't any place to go in government time, knowing the FDA are out now.

I'll give you an exact example of the FDA.

If you can envisage a little bank with a river below it and a cliff above it, and the FDA is standing on the cliff looking down, and a fellow falls in the river, and somebody's going to throw him a rock, they'll yell at him.

But if a fellow falls in the river and the guy's got a life reserve next to him and he doesn't throw him, they won't stay away.

Because what you don't do is not their business.

There's no department for it.

There was no department in the FDA to handle areas of omission.

They had their teeth sharpened to prevent people from coming out with bad medicines.

But no facility.

Now this is what they told me.

Blanket on blanket.

There's no departments out there.

Now it's never happened before that a great medicine, although it was called an antigen medicine, got overlooked.

It's so great that when you get the procedures, the fact is,

And the more important the person is, Mr. President, the less time I can have to explain it to them.

And if I just give them my conclusions, I don't care who he is, you've got to think I'm a little bit off my rocker.

Now, I've spent, what I was first told by a friend of mine, said, Jack, to get this done, you're going to have to do it yourself.

I was very patient about that.

I was the president of the driver's fund.

And I said, what do you mean?

The doctor's going to take this on?

Well, he was damn right.

After a year trying to get the doctors to do it, nothing happened.

So I had to do it.

And I've come to the conclusion.

There's only one man in the United States, at least, that can see that this can be done, and it's you.

Now, I've had to, I can't compare my time with yours, but I've spent 12 years of time and effort getting out of business and so forth on this thing, and I could brief you, I believe I could brief you in six hours, not in one session, because it would be too intensive.

And I can go anywhere in the country at your convenience and stay there for weeks or whenever you've got a spare hour.

But if you were free from this, Mr. President, you would realize that this is just, if there was a weapon that was going to destroy millions of people, you'd have to be free from it.

If there's a weapon that will save the lives of millions of people and the sufferings of tens of millions, this is the antithesis.

This medicine does not have a focus.

You don't build a tolerance for it.

It is not a sedative.

It doesn't put you down.

It has beneficial side effects by the pushing.

And it's extremely safe.

The rare side effects, which are mostly skin rashes, stop and it goes away.

So everything is safe.

It does work.

Sometimes you get a little skin rash.

You can get an allergic reaction to any medicine.

It's very effective in the low doses that we give you.

People have tried to kill themselves with this medicine without success.

It's remarkably safe.

What do you mean now?

uh what is the what is it what is the prescribed dosage well i suppose it depends on uh some things but what are you just answer the question and actually one individual can take 300 milligrams on a particular day and another 100 in another day what is what what is the milligrams one one hundred milligrams

So generally speaking, the only prescription is one, or two, or three, or more?

Well, as you said before, for instance, with epileptics, it's three to four a day.

I myself have been taking a hundred milligrams every morning for breakfast.

And whenever I feel like it, whenever I say, should I, I should not, and the answer is I should, I take a second.

But whenever I get the feeling that I need the second one,

But that happens maybe two or three times a month.

Sometimes I go to the office.

Usually you don't take one.

I always take one.

But at once?

In the morning.

Because it is so preventative, the regulations.

Once you get yourself a little stirred up, it will stop you from going further, but you've been stirred up for the day a little bit.

But the second thing you see, the wonderful thing is that if you take the second one for a week in a row, then you wake up one day and you won't need the second one.

You don't know the tolerance to need two and then three and then four.

And, Mr. President, this thing, this medicine, the whole method of this medicine is unique.

It doesn't conflict with alcohol.

It doesn't conflict with the other tranquilizers.

It works in a different system.

It regulates the electrical activity in the cell.

And every cell in my body, every live cell has electrical activity.

And it does it in the most unbelievably benign way.

You just can't believe it.

You also can't believe the difficulty it is to get anybody in the medical profession to do anything.

If you tell them, test this medicine for blood pressure...

if you can get them interested.

Now, blood pressure is the simplest thing to test if there ever could be mutated post-blood pressure.

You give them Dilantin, and an hour later, you take it again.

Now, we've had this done by 10, there's four different doctors and 10 different patients, and the evidence is so clear that I've got a million dollars to buy peanuts that Dilantin is useful against blood pressure.

Blood pressure is a problem with an estimated 25 million sufferers in this country.

And the medicines that they use vary from failure, some of them are failure, innocent, to quite dangerous.

And all of them have some side effects.

Dilantin has beneficial side effects.

This is a medicine of good health.

I've got a Russian baby.

I haven't got time to show you all these things.

Well, they suggest that it will prevent aging.

Incidentally, just not as I came passing, I met a man, Vector Reva, who's of the Supreme Soviet and chairman of the Board of Public Health there.

Oh, you see, there, the quality rises to the top in government.

And here the dregs, I'm sorry to say, go into government.

I mean, I have to make sure that the ones that can't make it on the outside lie.

And they see their mission, Mr. President, I'm afraid, is to thwart whoever comes in to see them because...

And they don't notice the difference when somebody like ourselves come in with no financial interest at all.

I'm just trying to pass on to the people what happened to people.

But they don't distinguish between stuff.

Now, they've sniffed around us very thoroughly, and we've found nothing wrong, but that's the best they can do.

Maybe, do you know about the exchange of letters between the governor of Rockville and the secretary?

Yep, yep.

All right.

Well, that was the best that they thought they could do, and that was the thing that...

that we were going to go to Robert Lewis to do this story about it.

And it's so long ago now that the story has left us untitled.

But maybe it's just as well because I don't know.

When Mr. Lewis met with me, he brought a fellow named Albert Maisel, who's a writer that he recommended to me.

He does a lot of, he does a lot of medical writing.

Right.

Supposed to be a writer.

Well.

I don't know how good he is.

Well.

He's a good writer.

I think he is.

And you know how writers are.

He told me right off, look, this is not going to be about you.

And I said, that's wonderful.

I don't know what that means.

And he said, I'm going to have to check these things out.

And I want to see, you know, I'm going to see who I want to.

And I said, I want you to check it out.

I just want the facts.

So if you understand that background.

And he also said he was very careful.

Well, when we got through with it, I mean, we wouldn't let him get away.

He said, well, I know enough.

And we said, well, no, you don't.

Because you cannot cram a whole new...

I don't know what to call it, a whole new...

Method process.

Method process or whatever it is of medicine in just a couple of days.

So we held on to his coattails until we felt that he knew enough of the facts.

Then he went home and he thought he was going to have it in a couple of weeks.

And it took him about two and a half months.

And he told me it was the hardest thought I've ever had to write.

He'd written 300 of them.

Because there's so much...

He said, I can't put it all in, and I'm sympathetic with it.

And this is a rough outline of what is going to be, and I'm happy to say it.

Can I read just the beginning?

Sure.

I think that you'd done four if you gave me.

You did?

That was a year ago.

You're one of the nicest people in the world.

Most people say that.

No, I do.

I always do.

I know.

I always take brief pictures of all of them.

I read on airplanes and helicopters and most unimaginable places.

And also late at night when we got free.

Right.

I don't know what your pressure for time is, but have I got 15 more minutes?

Well, I think it might... Yeah, I've got it.

I can do this in 15 minutes.

I've got about 20 minutes till 1.

So may I...

I'm going to skip through this.

All right.

I think it's important that we read this together.

All right?

It sounds good for me to read it to you.

Go ahead.

Sure.

All right.

The strange case of the misunderstood medicine...

Long tag is a specific for just one disease.

DPH is the last winning wide recognition as a unique nerve cell stabilizer capable of controlling or preventing an amazingly wide range of serious disorders.

Way back in 1956, two young neurologists, Drs.

Trace and Buckley, in Houston, America, envisioned an ideal medication, one that would free millions of patients with violent and compulsive seizures known as epilepsy.

Doctors had no satisfactory means of preventing these dreaded seizures.

All they could do was treat their patients with the bromides of phenobarbital.

The best substance, phenobarbital, failed to help a large proportion of these patients, even when it did work to be effective and frequently had to be used in such large doses that resulted in heavy and undesirable sedation.

At Boston City College, the Hospital for Health Drugs, Hunt and Merrick, well aware of these problems, said, I would say that the substance was more effective and did not cause sedation.

They knew that many chemical cousins of phenobarbitalic that had started precisely because they lacked any sedative effect.

This medicine had been tested, and because it wasn't bad, they decided it couldn't be good.

It didn't end in sedation.

Thus, they obtained scores of these rejected compounds from Paul Davis.

For more than a year, they tested each of these compounds and experimented on animals in which convulsions were electrically induced, until finally they found that DPH had been identified with an anti-convulsion effectiveness much greater than phenobacteria.

By 1940, DPH had become the drug of choice for the control of seizures.

Since then, it has enabled millions of people who had previously had convulsions to lead normal, productive lives.

Few drugs, in fact, have done so much for so many as a simple, inexpensive counter.

And this is the part of the story of TPH, for in that first clinical report, Dr. Buckman and Mary had noted that children treated with this remarkable drug not only ceased suffering from convulsions, but also became better paid, more amenable to discipline, and did much better in school.

Others two published reports have confirmed the fact that the DPH brought about striking improvements in memory concentration in both hands, and view these highly beneficial effects as part of the merit of various potential uses of DPH in the treatment of other disorders to be thoroughly investigated.

The charges we have for the dramatic effectiveness of DPH in controlling seizures that most physicians are thinking of as specific to epilepsy alone.

Tagging it in any convulsions, they thus overlook many indications that it might be valuable in the treatment of other disorders.

Only rarely the fact that imaginative physicians so much as try to use DPH to treat anything except epilepsy.

And a few that did so found that there were reports of the protectionists who were ignored by their colleagues.

In 1940, for example, Dr. William Shapiro, Assistant Professor of Neurology, I'm going to try to skip some of the details, found that details provided substantial relief for patients who had been experiencing excruciating migraine headaches.

Ten years, no one followed up this clearly.

Then in 1950, Drs.

Rich, Roundtree, and Widener reported that they had given DPH to numerous migraine victims.

DPH had declared states owed migraine attacks almost as effectively as the defense of all sensations.

Six more years passed before neurologists William McCarlin and William Ingram reported that they, too, had used DPH for control of migraine and found that it was by far the most useful drug in the successful treatment of this syndrome.

In similar fashion, evidence of the effectiveness of DPH in relieving another common, extreme pain from that disorder ticked out a drug that was long ignored.

What do you call it?

I mean, it's a terribly painful...

It's not really a tick.

It's a tremendous pain, a shooting pain from a truck.

God, when I heard it, it used to have a...

It helps to get that type of tick tock.

This is excruciatingly painful.

I had a man in my office three days ago, Mr. President, who's given $31 million to hospitals, and his head is a horrible disease for two years.

See, I'm under the pressure of time here, but within an hour, this man responded to this person, he has to come to a landing to get it.

And he couldn't eat bread.

He slurred his speech.

Apparently, he knows you, by the way, because he told you what you eat for lunch every time.

Well, anyhow, that's the only case that's hit our road, is coming to the office by the way.

Anyhow, picked over as long ago, the victims of this race malady experienced stabbing pain originating from the trigeminal nerve spread across the face and jaw.

In three cases, this fellow had it in the tongue, by the way.

Patients are particularly incapacitated by this twitchy facial text.

Of course, ordinary pain relievers, and even opiates, were usually managed.

Think of that now.

Doctors frequently had to resort to severing the nerve itself.

Even this stressor pressure wasn't proven on more temporary relief.

As early as 1942, Dr. Bergman of Bordeaux, France, reported that he treated three patients with DTH and achieved complete and lasting relief of pain.

Yet for nine years, neither France nor elsewhere did any physician follow Dr. Bergman's experiment.

Then in 51, Dr. Bergman published a second article, this time reporting on the relief of Tickdell Road, 16 out of 17 patients.

This was also overlooked, except at the clinic in Westbury, Germany, where Hans-Peter Jensen treated 45 people, where they provided relief for all the five.

In this country, the police report

by the use of DPH against triad nuns and general around her body.

And it was 1957, 15 years after Dr. Berger's first demonstration.

By the way, he found nine out of nine successful, and he couldn't believe it because the success was so quick and so prompt.

He even said that instead.

From even the early evidence of DPH's remarkable beneficial effects on personality and behavior went unnoticed by most of the university.

Now this is beginning to spread.

This is almost amazing.

First, now today, when I'm noticed by most physicians, all through the 1940s, medical journals published only five reports of attempts, all of which successfully utilized DPH to relieve the temper flares of non-hypoleptic young infants.

And throughout the entire decade of the 1950s, only one such report was published.

I'm going to be short on this.

Things might have gone on this way indefinitely if one imaginative and dogged and persistent layman had not fallen ill.

Within a short period of less than ten years, Jack Dreyfuss built the Dreyfuss Fund, one of the largest and most successful mutual funds.

The prices had become a multimillionaire.

But in 1959, this incredibly energetic, change-making man began to experience – I wrote all this myself, surely –

...of deep...

The line broke.

...experience a series of deeply disturbing symptoms.

I'm reading this, part of this, because it is relevant.

It's a country press.

His mind was continuously busy.

He couldn't stop thinking.

Almost as very good as the books which he could not take.

Or unhappy ones.

Pessimistic, angry, and fearful.

You know, that...

Doctors were unable to find a cause, nor did he have any important realistic problems with it because of the count of his condition.

Medication psychiatrists wrote over a partial and temporary period.

Then an extraordinary thing happened.

Dr. Zolano, with no previous medical training, selected for himself one medicine, DPH, out of some hundred thousand of the following appeared, and it worked.

The steps in how he picked these days were given in detail in a paper read at the meeting of the American College of Neuropsychopharmacology in 1966.

In this paper, he gave reasons why it comes to a hypothesis that he had a disturbance in body electricity.

This paper also described how he discussed his position as having seen someone with an epileptic attack and his feeling that the epileptic attack was similar to an electrical explosion.

His physician told him the epileptic does, in fact, have an epileptic problem, and this has established the brain on the test.

The driver's been asked if he could try the medicine, which was used to treat the epileptic problem.

The epileptic physician told him it wasn't epileptic, but I'm just kidding that, but since DPH had a long history of sex, he was able to work on the issue.

One capsule a day is healthy for time and low-substance for psychotherapy.

Symptoms are looking to be accompanied by pessimistic anger and fearful thoughts on the way.

Keeps up with no sedative effect and deviation on any epithelial day.

Things just seem to go back to normal with the disappearance of these symptoms.

His energy potential is lost.

Since then, since DPH was not thought of as anything of the national goals, the doctors felt quite likely that this improvement was only a coincidence.

However, during the next eight years, and seven times in the plane system, still with symptoms to adopt and treat with DPH, it all probably got better.

Although the doctor's background was not a medical, it was a drug and research area, and he had an excellent sense of this and that, so he made a review.

Anyhow, I tried eight cases out of eight, and it was too much of a coincidence.

And then I went to see a Dr. Sutton, and I checked my bioelectrical ideas, and he said that they weren't unreasonable.

And then I set up the Dreyfus Medical Foundation to try for Tanner.

The initial objective of the foundation was to either prove or disprove that DPH was other than anticonvulsant.

This did not take long.

Soon the objectives became much broader, and we explored communicative effects and so forth.

And then Dr. Bogachov, trained right by a chemist and a psychiatrist, became general director, and then we collaborated with dozens of physicians.

And I gave a blank, direct response, direct cooperation, and so forth.

Then he goes on, he uses money, I'm sorry, he says, since 1963, the Medical Foundation has spent more than $7 million on research with various investigators, Johns Hopkins, Massachusetts General, Northwestern, University of Pennsylvania, and so forth and so on.

Currently, the Foundation is financing over $4 million.

clinical laboratory studies in Brooklyn, this country, and Australia.

I'll just give some notes to start with us.

In another important field, cardiology, use of TPH has already saved the lives of thousands of heart disease victims.

At Baylor University back in 1950, physiologist Dr. Harrison Colvin and I have been seeking a means for preventing tachycardias, the open-endeded disturbance of the rhythm of the heart that may cause a heart attack.

Because his wild election of his child in the heart seemed to them similar to the brainstorming of our bloodstream, they decided to escape the fidelity.

In anesthetizing experimenting animals, they induced heart attacks by temporarily tying oil arteries to feed their heart muscles.

Four to eight hours later, each animal began to experience a typical type of body attack.

Their heart rate surpassed 260 beats a minute.

But when they injected these animals with DPH, the beating in their hearts quickly slowed to a normal rate.

Harrison Coconut published at Browns in the American Journal of Physiology.

Nine to seven years later, then, cardiology shifts him.

Then Dr. Leonard has called himself in the last history chance to save a heart disease victim on the edge of death with paroxysmal tachycardia.

After every known measure had failed, he had Leonard recall the long-awaited work of Harrison Coconut, injecting the solution to the patient dying in the veins.

Within two minutes, the heart rhythm returned to normal.

Over the next few days, whatever the type of body began to require, the length of the property halted to 50 times.

From then on, protected by small oral doses of ETH, the patient had an uneventful and full recovery.

The replication of DPH is specific for epilepsy, however, we have led most heart specialists to view it as a one-case report, and he goes on to talk about how, for instance, but few did use it, usually the lashes also had an effect.

By 1967, Mercer and Osborne in Vancouver, Canada, used in 774 series cardiac arrhythmias and found that many types of rhythm DPH is superior for cleaning and for dynamite, both the protection side effects, which the client does have.

I used to do that to myself.

Since then, as numerous additional investigators have reported equally dramatic results, hundreds of cardiologists have come to rely on DPH as their preferred level, a weapon against many life-threatening arrangements.

The acceptance of DPH in the treatment of heart disorders is now evidenced by it being listed as an antiarrhythmic agent in the AMA drug evaluation.

It's still not quite there, but this is...

It's such a strange world we live in.

One of the other projects sponsored by the Dreyfus Foundation was conducted in 1947 by Oscar Resnick of the Moose Foundation.

It's subject to a dozen prisoners all serving time for violent crimes all given to frequent confessional outbreaks.

On DPH, the disposition and behavior of all these brooding, angry, and fearful men underwent a quick and spectacular change for the better when the DPH was replaced by a dental looking for the night to see what happens.

With only a few days, each relapsed into its previous, unhappy, and delirious state.

At the Lyman School for Boys, DPH worked the same magic on young delinquents.

When the boys were withdrawn from DPH, they stuck back to their former vehicle, 10th Station, and 4th Station.

I really expected that to happen, but I lost myself.

I was in the 6th and 6th Station on 10th and 4th Station.

I was in the 3rd Station.

I was in the 2nd Station.

I was still in the 3rd Station.

At Maryland's Roseville Hospital, Dr. Goldberg,

and Curlin treated 47 retired children with DPH while administering placebo to an equal number of their highest ranks, again, with rare success.

Then, at Johns Hopkins, Dr. Stevens and Schaefer did a double-blind study.

When receiving the drug, most experienced substantial relief from anger, anxiety, and irritability.

When they switched to placebo, these patients' symptoms quickly reappeared.

When put back to DPH, they went support and grew significantly.

Meanwhile, I think this is what's written.

Meanwhile, through a long series of laboratory studies, physiologists and pharmacologists have discovered basic mechanisms by which DPH acts upon cell kinetics.

Not only when such cells fire off a molecular signal, ions of potassium pass out through their closing macronutrients.

I don't expect you to understand this, but...

and are replaced by inward-moving ions of sodium.

This changes the atomic balance within the cell to prevent the pressure interval from responding again to a stimulus.

In a hyperactive cell, however, insufficient sodium is accomplished through the cell membrane.

As a result, the cell's firing pressure was so low that the chips of its electrical discharges had the slightest stimulus or even spontaneous.

But when DPH is used, the normal permeability of the cell membrane to sodium ions is restored.

This stabilizing and normalizing action of BPH explains why it works against a broad range of disorders, not as a fantasy, however, because it corrects the basic study of a malfunction that underlies illnesses with widely differing receptors.

And epilepsy prevents convulsions by correcting the hyper-excitement ability of brain neurons, for the same reason it's effective against other disorders involving biological abnormalities, states of excessive depression, anxiety, irritability,

In relieving facial neuralgia, DPH disease is normalized and affected by hyper excitable cells in the nerves of the emotional brain.

And in the heart, once again, DPH prevents a halt of it because by restoring the normal function of that organ, nerve and nerve cells.

Until recently, unfortunately, most of these physicians remain unaware of the growing rate of evidence of DPH as well-known in the 19-year-old study.

Here again, Dragon's Medical Foundation played a important role in gathering together and analyzing more than 700 reports on the clinical uses of DPH and its basic mechanisms, including many published in specialized medical journals and others translated from the work of Brian Bessieres.

This sentence detailed across the indexes of the audience and reviewed every practicing physician in the entire country with phenomenal results.

And this was his words.

Until only a few years ago, almost all prescriptions were written by DPH groups for the use and control of epilepsy.

Listen to this practice.

Last year, Howard, a psychiatrist and other physician, wrote more than 700,000 DPH prescriptions for the treatment of men that had emotional disorders and did 200,000 more for the treatment of migraine, facial paralysis, and heart arrhythmias.

Well, of course, without that question, this may be only a beginning.

But clinical research has been finding still other uses for this unique count.

The relief of bronchial asthma has prevented the fits or shakes which alcoholics and drug addicts experience during withdrawal changes.

as a means of stimulating the blood flow, this is the last day, to the optic nerve, and to arrest the vision deterioration victim of glaucoma.

Other researchers have been exploring the usefulness of BPH in hastening the healing of wounds and emphysemas, and treating chronic skin ulcers in bed-ridden patients suffering from emphysema.

And a number of researchers have been using BPH as a non-addicting alternative to narcotics for the relief of pain and anxiety in patients undergoing major surgery, and that also assists.

Now that this misunderstood medicine is better understood as a unique, self-stabilizing substance that is not sensitive and cannot have a form, the spread of its use will be interesting to follow.

Well, that's the roots of almost an enemy, again, the enemy.

But it doesn't, I can't tell you how much is left unsaid, but it's fine.

He didn't say anything negative about him tonight.

You know, because a journalist has to say something negative.

And if you can't find anything negative to say, usually he has to look it out, what he thinks.

You know, go up and look it up.

What did, let me ask this, what is the,

I guess your problem is how do we, how do we get the, how do we get it more understood, more used, etc.

I'm surprised that you've got 700,000 prescriptions, though.

Well, that's...

Number one, the fact that it's amazing that you have 700,000 plus two, yeah, amazing.

Other than, I guess, lunch.

So they have days they're getting discovered.

And the psychiatrists.

I don't know about that, because it was a national work.

You know, I'm not getting on the subject, but I would suspect that you take the lack of self-reliance on.

You really don't.

What are you doing?

You don't do this for your money.

Well, I'm a healthy substance, and I know it right now.

Well, you're a good testimony to us.

And the real thing that sells the jacket is the case histories.

That is the strong point here, the case histories.

Well, we've got to just so overburdened with information and get an impossible problem to get people

Did you ever talk to my friend, I don't know, Hutch Necker?

No.

Hutch Necker wrote The Will to Live, which is a great book, you know.

It's basically, he was an MP a few years ago, and he used to give my business examinations, and now he's almost exclusively in psychiatry.

I haven't seen him in some years.

But of all the doctors I've ever met, I mean,

He's an Austrian, but seems to have a more open mind with regard to this sort of thing.

But isn't this a crime that we have 1,700 acres in our office and Bob Davis from time to time when somebody asks about the land and sends them to us?

Isn't it a crime that I have this thing in my hands?

Isn't this a way I can turn it over to the government?

You're trying to get it going on.

I'm not talking about the expense of it.

I'm not trying to cut that off.

No.

I've got my picture.

No, no, it's nothing to do with money at all.

I mean, I know that.

I meant that the real problem, Jack, is to get the damn doctors.

The doctors have got to...

They wait for the government to come around.

And the FDA, in a negative way, gives us something like that.

They don't mean to be.

There's no animosity there, nothing.

But the doctors wait for two things, Mr. President.

They wait for drug salesmen to come around and say, this is great stuff, good stuff.

Or they wait for the government, which frankly never said anything.

Now, the patents run out of us.

To go and fight that battle with the FDA for a two-cent medicine, which you won't have a patent on, is not what any of these companies are about to do.

Of course.

And it defeats their other medicines.

It does things that their other medicines don't do.

I thought I had found on the chart that that thing is too cheap.

It's too cheap, but it's too good.

It's like a tire that doesn't wear out.

But the billions that the government can save.

The billions that the government can save on hospital bills.

Again, that's an important story.

Let me do a little more.

The impressive thing about this are the cases.

It's the research that's been done.

And you've got to do the rubbish.

You've got to do it.

If you have enough dollars, prove it.

If it's $700,000 worth of research or something.

No, the work that was done.

Let me point something to you.

Do you see, this thing is known by the average doctor as an ankylosing.

If you just center this page and just glance along these centers, some of them are redundant, but these things have been mentioned in medical journals as...

symptoms and disorders for which DPH has been affected.

They may not have been full papers, but I want you to look at the different disorders that this, what they think is a thyroid disease, I know it, but you just, you can turn to that page, you can turn to any page.

So you're right, it is the doctors, but the doctors wait for some signal from somebody, and I'm guaranteed the drug companies are not good.

And another thing, Mr. President,

A drug, the way the FDA set up, if you want to clear it for heart use, you've got to go to the cardiac section.

If you want to clear it for migraine, you've got to go to that section.

If you want to clear it for trigeminal arachnopathy, so you can't clear it for a general medicine.

At least they haven't been allowed to.

If they would go along with the idea that it's a cell-stabilizing substance.

But the fight is to clear it for one thing.

One of the doctors said it does no harm.

So they can sure experiment with it.

That's right?

It does no harm.

Yeah, but it gets loose.

I mean, there's a paper, I will believe, on scleroderma, one of the most dreadful diseases.

Scleroderma.

People's skins dry out, the sockets get tight, they can't breathe, they get depressed, and they die.

We had one case of a family opposite to mine.

Mason, a couple months ago, fell in Oklahoma.

A lady had...

got a small stroke and a neurologist came on the ball, gave her Delane.

But she also had scleroderma.

Within three weeks, the scleroderma started to disappear.

So the guy said, well, maybe I've been hearing more about broadness of Delane.

Gave it to 29 people with scleroderma.

Two didn't get better.

And the others all either got better or completely well.

He tried with 36 people with the normal procedures.

11 got worse.

10 didn't get better.

In other words, a different mathematical stream.

Then we found a paper in 1966 in Spain, a one-case square, instead of dreadful receipts.

We just got this paper.

Here's a letter.

These were letters written.

Doctors won't read them.

I just put them together as a sample of what's true.

But here's a letter that came in five years later from a family.

And I can't expect you to read the whole book.

I'd love you to.

If you could, read two letters a day or three.

But if you'll read that as a current one.

This one is current.

Right.

That's it.

Here's the jail study.

Here's the picture.

Send me a picture.

He said 712 or whatever.

Here's a double-blind study.

I didn't want to look great, but Mr. President, we just made an option for a person to have this medicine with his practice.

Not only would they be more controllable, but they'd be happier.

They'd be able to, they would get over that.

People are mostly violent and angry because there's suffering inside.

And if we can relieve that suffering, we can eliminate it with a non-habit-forming health concept.

It should be a nervous system.

It's an optional thing.

What I would like for you to do is, just because I have a great deal of, because I think he's a rather remarkable person, he may not find that very good and so forth.

When you hear back in the yard, and he's a delightful guy, and he's a brilliant, brilliant man, see him, understand him, talk to him about this, I wonder if he's ever heard of it.

It's a good question because, as I said, we've sent it to every doctor.

Of course, he's one of the great men in the country on blood chemistry.

He has his theory for admitting all the things.

Blood chemistry, which he makes, has an enormous effect.

I knew the guy that first told me about what was going on.

He said blood chemistry is a good thing.

I'm not going to be giving that talk.

That's right.

Emotional, you know, emotional things.

I guess the office is already closed.

Mark, I don't know.

I think for the fun that you would enjoy reading these, these are a few samples of letters we got to place a week from doctors.

Please tell me why this tremendous, when we sent this book, this tremendous offense to digital ecology.

He said, I have no time to read it.

This one says, when can I have time to read this?

Could I understand it?

It's wasteful to send it to all physicians.

This one says, sending a copy of a 169-page publication of DPH to every PhD in biology and urbanization in the United States represents an inexcusable waste of money.

Don't you realize that paper comes from trees, and there are too many trees that are not being felled?

This is a document that meets the demands of a wasteful public.

Can't you find a better way to use your money?

Name it out.

Fight against pollution.

Instead of contributing to it, I shall give it to a company which salvages and repossesses paper for reuse.

My God.

Well, don't let that worry you.

It doesn't worry me.

I think it makes the point.

These are beautiful.

Most people are.

You remember my secretary, Rose Lewis?

Yes.

I'll have her give you Archneger's...

Mr. President, may I ask this?

Is there anybody in government

But you're not at the FDA.

I have a last question to say now.

By who?

By the Vice President, who would give me no time.

I know he thinks he's busy with things, but is there anything that he's as busy with as is important to him?

He would never, frankly, be interested in this.

Thank you.

Hello, how are you?

I've been speaking.

I was going to have the doctor come back here.

I just told you I'd like for you to give me an analysis of this plan.

And you've got his address, haven't you, so I'm wondering if you would arrange, first, you have Jack and give Mr. Eckhart a call.

I don't know whether I can see him for as long.

You probably know him.

And say that I'm interested and I want to get for him to listen.

He's a gentleman, don't worry.

I want him to read the book.

Because medicine fascinates me, and medicine, psychiatry, and all the rest.

He also wrote about a later book, you know, he's written a book, he thinks that basically he's, of course, in the opinion that all world leaders or political leaders should be tested psychiatrically before they assume leadership because he thinks many of their problems are the world.

He has the love-hate deal.

uh you know as serious as you know from the little lives and that these are are interesting but the main one is he's just not a damn psychiatrist he's empty so therefore

Completely, yeah, but I think this medicine would be simpler than, you know, as a present company, except... No, for anyone who's stressed medically... Oh, God, my heart is making it worse.

But he's not.

He's not.

Basically, you know, he's an intern, especially.

So he's a medical man with psychiatric experience.

And it just might be very easy to see what he's on.

And basically, he's also the kind of a guy that would experiment.

And he has his kind of patience and let him try.

Well, it doesn't help.

I really like him.

Another reason that you drink him, he's a very interesting man.

He's a fast and a decent man.

You talk to him in complete confidence.

That does not mean anything.

Well, Rose, would you just tell him, see, if I try to tell him in two hours, he's going to come to that.

If he will set aside two or three hours a day for four days, then when I give him the facts, then we can discuss the conclusions.

Then he won't think I'm a liar.

You can tell him that he has talked with Mr. Dreyfuss as an old friend.

He's talked to me very much.

I would agree with that, and that I'd like for him to listen, that it's going to take some time, but that I would appreciate it as a personal favor, because I'd like to get an analysis of this from him.

and tell him that it will take time, and so forth.

He's just a wonderful guy.

He'd have to do that.

That's probably going to be his problem, huh?

Yeah, he's very busy.

But I'm sorry, if I invite him to dinner or something like that, I just don't know what I'm talking about.

He's some kind of guy, though.

I can find the time.

Yeah, I can see the poor man will have to listen.

for hours and hours as we go over the two or three double lab cases.

No, then we'll go over the bibliography.

We'll go over some of that.

We'll go over the basic mechanisms.

We'll show how the medicine spares oxygen.

And therefore, it's good at all forces.

Things like MSC can show the spread.

We've got to put it all together.

I'd like to hear it.

Well, I'll talk to him.

Yeah, let me think about it.

Oh, I... Then you won't be like, you're not going to try to talk with him?

No, you can... You take the deal.

We'll talk to him, and then you talk to Jack.

All right.

Did you say Mr. Richardson?

Maybe he should be out of government.

I don't know.

Well, they know how to respond.

We've got a new secretary of health education, Robert Weinberger, whose brother's in town.

Don't, not now, not now, because he's reorganizing the department and he's loaded with work.

But within a month, I want him to receive it.

My friend, he's a nice man.

Oh, yeah, but Brian, he's smart.

He's real smart.

So is Richardson.

They're both, they're two of the most brilliant men in Darwin.

But you can talk to Cal, and he's, Brian, you know, I get a dick crack at him, because he's, and also he's tenacious.

So I would answer that question.

If you had asked Pat to listen for three days, two hours a day for three days, it would be the same sort of thing.

Well, the time vector is the problem.

That's why I say not for a month.

No, no.

But when did I say that?

He'll listen.

I can't afford 12 years.

You're right.

He also is very good at analyzing things.

He agrees with you.

Just see if John Scott talked to him more.

I don't think he can break down.

I wouldn't do that.

I'd just give it to him.

But if he'll give us some time.

That's the problem.

The more important a man is, the more radical a time is.

Another thing.

You see, if I can get somebody in the lower right... Another thing you might do is to follow like that.

Just say you need some time, a little time off.

You might have him say, come up to your island of being or something like that.

We'll do that in 30 days.

Now that's fine.

Keep it blank.

Good to see you.

It's good to see you.

Are you going to come to one of our parties this week or not?

By the way, I have an idea about doing this.

What?

So, does it matter if there's a panel on this?

You don't care?

You won't miss me?

Not at all.

Well, we're inviting you because we want to go on a career.

But frankly, I'd like to throw a whole pain in the neck.

for the people that come, not for me, but what I'm just doing is to call on the people of Manhattan for their support.

I thank you, and you don't have to come.

You'll have more fun in Florida.

Kim Provozo up there sometimes.

Good evening.

He had to take it away from some of his extracurricular activities, but I'm sure he will.

Well, I'll get him.

Oh, now that's not fair, baby.

So you work it out, Rose.

Is that the only thing you have to do over here?

Yes.

All right, fine.

Well, you'll call Jack then tomorrow.

Yes, I'll call him.

Okay, she'll call me.

Sure, I'll do it.

I'm going to see him today.

Well, I have a little consummate decision to ask.

The one thing I wanted to ask you, now we didn't invite any staff members, we just...

If you've got room, let me say this, it's good to do it for glamorization purposes.

If any of those guys would like to see staff members, that's fine for the moment.

I'm not for the benefit of the staff members.

See you later.

We have enough celebrities in the hallway.

Well, these are your stagnants.

I know.

But I mean, I consider cabinet people.

The only reason I suggest having some of them is so that they have somebody other than me to descend upon.

See?

Sure.

Well, we have some cabinet members that we have fights with and want to comment on that.

Yeah.

And I didn't fight until it was gotten, until we find out which way he's going to...

I don't know which way he's going to go on that ticket.

I didn't think he wanted to have a dinner with me.

We can invite him after his first coffee in the morning.

Yeah.

I agree.

I'd just call him up and say, I'm having dinner.

If he was on the list that Leonard Box gave me.

I was afraid not.

I had listed as people that you might want to have would be Haldeman, Ehrlichman, Kissinger, Plansky.

I wouldn't do, I would not do Haldeman or Kissinger.

I mean, they would be

Early on it would be useful, I think, because he needs these people by having to put off on him now and then coming in would be useful because, you know, they have to talk to people like my dad.

And his client had somebody call and ask.

I suppose that's because he's having a child.

Oh, fine.

He should come.

That's great.

He'd be fine.

Then I didn't know whether you wanted Price, Giles, or Ziegler, or any of those people.

No, no, no.

Not today.

See, that's it.

That's definitely not.

All right.

I'll figure another one.

That's all we do.

That's all we do, sir.

You know, it'd be nice to have Ezra Solomon be one of them.

He's leaving.

You know, he's a member of the Council of the Army Advisors, and he's leaving.

It'd be nice to have him.

Or one of the scientists.

Yeah.

Or one of the scientists.

And science, if it would do that, have Ezra one day and science the other day.

If you get him, you've got to be got him, because I'm just thinking of people they would like to see.

Okay.

That would probably be pretty low discussion.

It is.

It is a pretty low discussion.

These are the drawings, certainly.

Drawings?

This is going to make it make sense.

Oh, yeah.

And they wanted to put it on the back, and they decided to put it on the back.

Take your feet.

But, you know, they did do this last time.

Now, there's that one.

And I've been, there's only, I don't think anyone has their wife on them.

I don't think you should.

No, that's what I'm hearing.

Now, what they thought about the back could either be that or...

It's good, but I rather, I think this time, this time is straightforward.

Let us see it again.

There's a little bit of motion around the mouth and the other one, a little bit of a draw.

Well, you don't have a good state one right now.

I think that's very good.

Now, I just want to say one other thing.

Don't you think sometimes I eat a lot and I just hold them and I feel a little left out?

Well, maybe you should.

Yeah, maybe you should.

He doesn't like to go out at night, frankly.

Well, shall I ask him if he wants to tell him that he wants to come?

I don't know how many we've gotten out, but I just, I don't know.

I would include him in one.

I would include him in one with, uh, with comedy.

Yeah, he ought to come to one of them.

They might be

That's the other thing.

And he has to handle a lot of these guys like half of them want to either be ambassadors or to recommend ambassadors.

He's the guy that has to handle that.

So I'd have him.

Yeah.

Either one.

I'm not too worried for either night, but I want him for one of the other things.

I'll see how many we need.

I didn't write it in advance, but I don't know.

Sometimes we don't need that.

Well, then, sometimes.

Because he never wanted to come.

And another thing, too, you've got to do your own social engagement.

You don't have any of the things.

And some people may misunderstand.

And also, you know, maybe he doesn't think his wife, say, really would like to come.

You never know about this.

Well, this is a static.

I know.

I'm thinking beyond that.

Yeah.

So when I, when you arrange the dinners at some time, people want to see them.

But I often tell them I want them for one or the other.

I just put the flat back on.

When you get to your FYI.

Oh yeah.

Well, I guess we're not going to do it.

That's too bad.

You think we should try Mark?

No.

That's pretty short.

Do you mean for that one, for the 17th?

Oh, no.

Yes, not because two weeks.

Two weeks.

I can just hear it.

Secretary Schultz ready now.

Now, I'll tell you, if you would do this, talk to Bob Holtzman about it.

I mentioned to Bob, and they're trying to find somebody for the 17th.

And between you and Holtzman and Keith, maybe you can see whether or not it's the best deal we can get.

I mentioned to Bob, and they're trying to find somebody for the 17th.

And between you and Holman and Keith, maybe you could see whether Parker Road is the best deal we can get.