Conversation 868-018

Transcript (AI-Generated)

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

It appears to me now that because the violence corresponds, the only other thing that we might do this year might be the radio.

That isn't true, Julian.

Yeah, it's a terrible crime.

Why would you do that?

You know what I'm saying?

probably should do it like next year or the year after or something it's more important than White House Correspondents yeah for our we can't remember oh I think some of the radio television can go to the White House Correspondents and the White House Correspondents the radio television goes way beyond the people that we care about care about

That's hell.

It's true.

All the great actors, as Dan and Pete pressed people in there.

Oh, I know.

I'll tell you what, Dick Wilson was very generous, so he said when he was talking about it coming over, he said, you know what, he's done more.

He's a great actor.

It's true.

He's done more.

Now he's done more.

He's done twice as much.

I put more effort into it.

I've given them a show all this period of time, and they know that.

They appreciate it.

And Climax, it was the best show that I've ever had or ever will have.

I've had a couple others that were up in there, too.

Two of them.

It's going to be a crappy commission.

You know, when you save their show, that's what it's going to be.

George Bush doing ours.

And he won't be very good at it.

I don't think he will.

It's just that he isn't the right kind of guy.

He'll be fine.

He'll look good.

But I hope it's vicious.

I would like it to be just vicious and bad taste.

But I don't think he will.

And he wouldn't think he would.

I mean, you'd think somewhere he'd learn that, too, but he hasn't yet.

He always learns.

But what would drive me nuts is, I mean, anybody who thinks he's got such a miserable voice, and it's whiny,

Rose talked to you about Robert Martin.

That might give that thing to do.

Keys to pull it together.

You know, you've got much choice.

Could be.

See, the next couple of weeks, three weeks, are going to be pretty rough, aren't they?

I don't know.

They're rough in a way.

It's action, which is good.

All right.

Well, you understand that we'll probably lose.

That's all right.

We've got a face for a loser.

The Democrats just very clearly put in that.

Yeah.

Talked to himself first.

And we lose it.

their job.

They just can't be with a good old Bill.

What's he doing?

He's a loser.

God damn it, he's a loser.

They've got staff ten times bigger than him.

Nothing else.

Okay.

Sanchez.

What do we have after this evening?

We got that.

We're coming to two meetings now.

You better get that master planning together pretty soon, because we're going to have another evening.

You've got to know.

Another church, I suppose.

You're having me.

She's got to get heavy with dinner.

Go ahead, go over there.

I won't come.

For a while.

I think I'd better go to the OB.

I've got to go.

I think, looking at, oh, the diplomatic assumption, too.

Well, not the, yeah.

I've already told the pastor.

Well, I haven't said, Rogers is having a diplomatic dinner in March, late March or something.

And if you want to wait a little while after that, I don't think you want to come.

It's a white tie deal.

Oh, I want it.

I want it in the damn so-called season so that they can wear a white tie.

Okay.

We can wait for a little bit.

I just don't know if the end of April or the top of the month.

Sure.

End of April is fine.

You don't want to come right on top of Roger's thing.

Yes, I wonder if anyone would wait until fall to start the season in the fall.

since he's doing the thing now.

All right, fine.

You've got enough stuff going on the flyer now anyway.

Fine, okay.

Put it in the fall.

Mid-September is sort of open.

But suggestable.

Mid-September is going to be after.

Mid-September will be so it's not too hot.

It's going to be so in the cool time and in the first month forward.

But the main thing is...

I want the dean, Rogers, to know about it, and the dean of the diplomatic corps to be informed so that he can see the dean to be set well in advance.

They should be informed.

The receptionist, because Rogers is giving us dinner, this will be informed.

He's got a place big enough to have them all, isn't he?

I guess so.

For the first time, they're inviting two or three of the White House staff and two or three other county people or something.

Expanding themselves.

The diplomatic corps of us.

Well, that's quite a thing.

But I was thinking that if that's the case, let's throw one more in the air.

That's what that is.

Or maybe two.

I don't know.

If we get one done in March, then we could, at least, we could have two evenings to pick up a hell of a lot of finance people.

You know?

Finance, but always enough.

I never again do I want to have it loaded so much with old parts.

I always want to have about 100, 300 people.

You know, so if they'll cheat her, we're going to put the young ones around like this.

So if we have two diplomatic receptions, two, I'm sorry, two evenings,

Yes, sir.

I had about 200.

I always had 100.

And also, if you're in a church, you can go one on one of those.

You've got to get one A and one A.

You might even go for more than one.

You just have to figure it out.

So this is what we've got.

Thank you.

You've got to figure that out.

You've got to really give a first of 15 to the Jews and then it's done.

You can't really have anything after that.

But you can.

The other thing is, I think you've got to pick the time now for that POW thing.

Is anybody working on that?

Julie was telling me that the idea of having an outside event and everything in Germany might be a good idea.

Having them to a dinner at a place.

And a reception.

I should receive them and shake hands with them all and have a hell of an entertainment out here with the Boston Cops Orchestra.

That's what they're, she said.

Yeah.

And that might be very nice.

I think it's a good idea rather than going to a hotel.

Well, they're at the White House.

Sure, Boston.

Boston Cops Orchestra.

Maybe on this one, rather than doing that, we could have one hell of a variety show.

Frankly, the plot will...

Bob Hope's on CNN.

Yeah, yeah.

Rather than Boston Drive, I promise.

You have Bob Hope, you know, with, uh, but, uh, you have to really lean on the artist.

You have to get the great stars, each of them for a single, each for a single.

That's what's so hard to do.

You get...

True.

On a volunteer show, you've got no way you can discipline them.

True, but you just tell them.

That's right.

Each goes for, like an honor, like the Honor of America Day thing, but with, uh,

The great show that they will all enjoy and so forth and get some comfortable chairs where they can sit in.

And a dance band so they can all dance.

Just make it one hell of a band.

I would have it so that it would tense.

So that if it rains, you could do that tension.

I think so.

Or would you have it just out in the open air?

I don't think you'd risk that.

And they were talking about covering, which I think they did.

Yeah.

I think it would be a hell of a thing.

Yeah.

And the possibilities to put it...

I don't know.

You know, we had done things by using roofs on your side.

But then they aren't all together, and also they couldn't see the shoulder together.

The other thing you can do is do the dinner and then have the show.

Come down and do the show in the tent on the lawn or something like that.

And see them for theater seating.

Start and see them for the show afterwards.

Do the dinner up on the terraces, on the main floor of the terraces.

They've got some ideas that they're working on.

But if we might like to get you to stay at the White House, if we can pick a date, well, we will stay at the White House.

We just do it.

And figure for about 800 people, figure who the hell else is going to come.

At least on that, if I could suggest, I would have, I wouldn't have those goddamn congressmen and senators.

Do you agree?

Yep.

Or do you?

I don't know.

I would run the leaders.

They'll be honored in many ways.

They're all getting in the act.

But I would have some celebrities

present, you know what I mean, our celebrities.

I think they'd love to come, you know.

They'd love to see Cary Grant, for example.

I mean, the old ones, they're just all right, you know.

If you think so, have that scattered around among them.

Red Skelton.

Yeah.

Counter to Jane Foxwood.

It's really great the way they handled that.

And sure, they wouldn't be all agreed, they'd never go out.

Those three guys did come out of it.

They're pissed off at them, aren't you?

You know, I wouldn't think they're bastards.

These guys saw through.

No, I think that's right.

It's just better to be here in the White House.

And it's more memorable for them.

Well, that's it.

I think, too, we ought to go tell them.

We ought to find a way to...

I think we ought to find a way.

I don't think we should bother with photographs for receiving.

I don't think that's good.

I think the best thing to do with them on that, though, is to give them a favor, give them a little momentum.

Maybe the presidential conference and for the girls.

That's all I think.

Don't you think so?

Nothing more than that.

That would mean a lot to us.

But you see, you don't have to get, we won't have to get an expensive amount like that because we get, and it wouldn't show that we were doing so much more for these than guys that served and had to go back or were disabled.

Yeah.

I give compliments to everybody, you see.

Compliments to this.

Have the, and have them all with the menu card, player cards, and the whole, they have all those souvenirs, those, to those people who managed to send money.

They aren't anyway, because they're... Well...

I believe in making this season, so-called, or whatever it's called, I've really got a pretty high vibe.

Except for the diplomatic, where I'm willing to put it on.

But this, this year, is to get as much of this stuff on the way.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

and then we can, next year we can really cool it off.

Don't you think so?

Yeah.

Because I do not see that, I do not think the evenings and churches and everything, I think I would try to find a picture that we just kind of done in a very orderly way, where we just have enough that people realize we're having something.

Because there are more people that come in here and think that I go out every night.

Maybe you do.

Yeah.

And, uh,

And it's, of course, it's bright and dark here, too.

That's what I do.

I do.

No, I don't.

I do, but I do my work every night.

That's the point, which they're absolutely right about.

I thought if we could get this thing, you know, you start out with a burst this way and get them all fixed up.

Well, we're moving along.

Everybody's complaining about a lot of bacteria in the morning.

I've got to bend the radio.

I've got one more to go.

I think it's crying, I suppose.

Yeah.

You may want to do that, and there's another twist to that, which is... Clementi.

Clementi, yeah.

I don't know, I've always sort of been a bit of a... quite a sportsman.

Yeah, I know.

Although it's way low in Pittsburgh.

And it's sort of a special sports event.

I mean, you're not intruding on that one, really, because the President of the United States, there's a reason for the President to be at the out there.

His name was Washington.

Good night.

I'm not sure.

All right.

I will let them know.

Whatever you think you need to do.

Disadvantages of watching and having to come back?

Yeah, I know, but...

If you have to do it in good weather, it should be too bad.

Well, I know, but...

I'm sorry, I'm not sure we can, but...

I don't think I really, at that point, will want to stay...

If I want to get a home.

I'll still have an important visit out there.

Well, I can take that, and I think the idea of...

Well, then you ought to take off that Easter period in Florida, which is for sure good weather in about a quarter of April.

Yeah, that's much easier coming late.

Congressional recess starting on the 20th.

Yeah, running all along.

Well, the Senate comes back on the 25th.

The House doesn't come back until the 30th.

The House is taking two weeks, a week and a half.

Well, there wouldn't be any reason for us not to do, frankly, take some time off.

But you could go and just open it and just go down and stay as long as you feel like it.

Just not schedule it.

Just not schedule it in that week.

Right.

Through to the third.

Right.

And wait.

If it's good weather and you're enjoying it.

Yeah.

And that's where the California thing will go off and be back on Friday.

Yeah, that's pretty good.

Friday's mixed up.

I don't have too much preparation for June, because I have Saturday and Sunday, and I'll work on Tuesday.

I mean, Tuesday people all work there.

I'll have four days.

It's very good.

Incidentally, coming back from the game, is there a way we could come?

The problem is you have to come in the night before.

The game is at 1 o'clock.

That's why you have to be here by 4 o'clock.

I want to figure it out.

Well, it's at least in Pittsburgh, four hours and 15 minutes.

Plus three, that's seven hours and 15 minutes.

That's seven.

I can't mistake that for even five in the morning.

I don't think that's a good idea.

But maybe that's a better idea, frankly.

Let's spend the night in Pittsburgh and see if I can think of a better idea than coming just a little bit earlier the night before.

Start adjusting the Eastern time.

And another way to do it, actually, another way to do it, because I suggest, why the hell stop on the way back to California?

Go to Chicago or someplace.

No, I didn't go to that.

No, I was thinking Pittsburgh.

It's only 34 minutes from here.

Well, I said, you can go to, why don't you just come back to Washington?

Seriously, didn't I?

Then go out to Pittsburgh early in the morning.

I really think that makes a hell of a lot more sense.

But then leave California until you have a full day there, see?

Leave at 5 o'clock.

Now this idea that you have to get in here before midnight is nuts.

You're not going to go to sleep anyway.

You leave at 5, that's 7, 5, 8, 12, 1 o'clock.

1 o'clock, 1 third, whatever it is.

But you leave and have a full day there in California that way.

And then I would get up the next day and just go into Pittsburgh.

What's the best way to handle that?

Getting up in the morning and being unconscious.

George, you're going to Europe.

You have a full day today.

You're going to have to keep some time open on this.

That's one of the reasons why we don't have a lot of time.

I mean, if it happens to be a trade, we're going to have something to do with it.

If you're here, if you're here, you're bound to have, I mean, you just bound to have judgment.

There just bound to be times when something, something interferes.

Yeah.

At a period where nothing is, I think it was the change of the past.

Over the day, George Bush had a luncheon over at the Alabama Club, which is in this...

He had a, what's it called?

It's a little, little, like a house, I guess, over on High Street.

It's a small music club.

There's only 20 members or something.

It's an old, old, it's like something you'd see in San Francisco, an old, old house.

Yeah.

There's a dining room that, I mean, it's like a front of the home dining room.

They have a huge wooden table that seats, I would guess, about 20 people around the table.

And they have an oyster lunch.

They have steamed oysters.

They put big bowls of oysters.

It's a raw wood table, unfinished.

Put the buckets of oysters on it.

You open them up and eat your oyster and throw the shells into the bowl in the center of the table.

And so he had...

Hell of a good mixture of people.

And Tom Moore and Deputy over Defense Clements and Potter Stewart and Pat Wilson, new Republican Finance Chairman, Bill Brock and Bud Brown and Sonny Montgomery and Frank Fitzsimmons.

And, you know, just that sort of a mixture of heat.

I mean, that kind of a lunch, I used to do that in Washington a great deal.

It's a good thing.

It's something that they ought to do more.

The asshole does not really.

You ought to do that.

I used to go to an incident where those lunches are productive.

You don't really.

And they are.

And they're fun.

And, you know, you're sitting up.

Not fun.

He said, around you talk, and the people are all on the same level of intelligence, so you don't have to have them catch up.

And he had Tom Moore give a little rundown on the POWs.

I said, everybody's interested.

And Moore did a hell of a job.

He said, let me start out by saying that all of you, even though you're not all Republicans, you're all supporters of the president.

I know you are.

Just let me say to you,

That where we are today, not just the POW return, but this whole thing in Vietnam, is totally and solely due to the courage of the President of the United States.

He said, there's no way we'd be here now for him, for what he's done.

And he went into the, he did a hell of a good job on that, and then he went into the POW story, and he told about it.

And he talked about other things in May, and that sort of thing.

Basically, December, he spent more time in December, of course, because that's where all he was.

Talked about how tough it was.

He said, all this crap that he, that's the other thing.

He said, all this crap that the press, the press is shoveling out of the mad bomber business and all that.

He said, he knew exactly what he was doing.

That was a carefully thought through plan.

We used B-52s because we had to use B-52s for two reasons.

One, the weather at that time, we couldn't have done a precision bomb on anything else.

And the other, we needed to move fast.

We needed to knock out a lot of stuff and knock it out quickly, have a devastating effect quickly.

And that's the only plane that could do it.

He said nobody else could have done it except the United States.

And it was a hell of an operation.

As they now know, we didn't.

It worked beautifully, but...

Then he went into the POW thing and what great guys our servicemen are and recognized that this country is a hell of a lot better than the people who tried to make it happen to me.

It was good.

Existed.

They stuck young.

They all probably got a hell of a kick out of it.

I think so.

People like their sons.

Well, there's a big throwback.

We had Maurice Stanton, Henry Crown from Chicago, and quite an interesting cross-section of people, which is also, I think they all, you know, they all enjoy seeing the other people, right?

You know, we will have to admit it.

probably the dumbest thing we've done was to be so wrong.

Because in May, at least, we were able to go on a little bit with our friends and all over.

But, you know, we sent her home, and we were able to do that.

And also, people were so built up on expectation.

Yeah.

It was a lot.

And the other thing was, too, that May, we forget, did not cost us anything in terms of...

That's what he said.

He said, I knocked out every ball there, so they had no missiles left.

Our planes could have flown over there without getting touched after.

At the time we quit, they had nothing left, but they hit them.

You know, this is a wonderful thing for the military around the street, for the airport, because of those bastards.

So that vision of being driven out and discredited and harassed and finding a victory half-assed, though it was, they know that they bombed the bastard into a cell.

They like it.

That is quite a reaction, Mr. President.

Can we get these, we're getting a lot of these appointments now, but we're getting pretty close to the end.

We've still got, well, we've got a lot to go on a sort of backup level, but we've got, we've still got 250 super great appointments and 100 in the executive level.

Roughly, I just got over this morning.

So there's still a ways to go.

They get easier as we get moved down.

We become less critical positions and we have more and more refined list of candidates.

I'll let you get the load up, as you come through the model.

As low as possible.

One week.

Just keep the heat on, sir.

I guess the lower levels.

But even there, we had some Italians and Poles.

So I pushed her to have a human COVID center now.

That's the stuff.

Yeah.

So the 250 there, so he's got 35 Italians and 20 Poles and 20 Mexicans.

So I can lay out the numbers I want to do.

Great.

And I said, you've got all your super business school men.

It isn't there, it is or not.

I said, Fred's got all his super managers in there now, so they don't need such high-quality people at the second level.

They've got these good managers that can run and run and run.

And he got a board to put that in.

and that both of them were speaking a much more conciliatory way about the administration.

and also the recognition there is a they want a policy to grow successful it isn't quite well the effect you can go around and just miss it now see what I mean

I'm sure he tried to.

His people are, they don't like this.

They don't like this.

They're coming up totally against the public feeling.

I think that's, I think the press man, they like to feel that they are the majority.

They don't like to feel that they're an army.

Very little like that.

Buckley's entirely different.

Yeah.

Bill Buckley's not happy unless he is involved.

That's his story.

These guys are sort of, you know, weather players.

But when I raised this point about the reorganization and so forth and all the kind of changes, I'm basically being held under control.

I think that my own view is that if we had not done it, that we would have just slithered along with about what we had.

We still have Obie for sure, and we still have Peterson and some of the problems.

Well, worse yet, we still have the second and third levels.

All of the same kind of people who have said we're fine.

None of them are antagonists or activists.

They don't even want to do anything.

They're doing it in our way.

That's what I do.

Loyalist, you think?

Yeah.

It's interesting, at the lunch, too, Pat Wilson, the new finance chairman, was talking to George Bush's brother.

He was making the point that he's starting to take on the finance job in Connecticut or something.

He said that the Xerox people, for instance, are very disturbed that they're considered to be a democratic company and they're on the outside.

They want to take active roles.

One of them is going to be a chairman of the finance committee or something like that.

And Pat Wilson said, we're getting that all over.

You know, it's around the country.

We've got people over here, people figuring they've got, whether like it or not, you're here for four more years, and they better figure out some way of being on the inside.

Not only that you're here, but that you aren't going to coach.

I mean, I think through the signals of the changes and all that, also, you're not just going to sit here for four years.

You're going to be here for four years doing something, and they've got to be careful that they're not on the wrong side of whatever is done.

I do think that we may be, because of the thing, rather end up gambling than getting money to earn it.

The creators are burying themselves in the so-called compassion gap.

It's legitimate, you know what I mean?

It's a, yeah, given that they're little, some.

Of course, some people like the compassion gap, right?

And some of that's inevitable, and no matter how well you do it, yet much can be avoided, you know?

People, there's just a question of, you know, you've got to do, you've got to, in that case, that's where it finishes good.

Let's get y'all with emotive compassion.

And I must say, so do all you Richardson's.

Partly because they believe it.

Right.

Well, it's good politics.

Yes.

Right?

Right.

I think we can get our own people.

Well, they've got five and a half masks and everything.

It's all under control.

When I raised this point about flea organization, these guys are sort of weather players.

When I raised this point about flea,

I'm basically being a health advocate for a whole organization and so forth and all the changes.

I think that my own view is that if we not die, that we would have changed the health advocate for a whole organization.

About what we had, we still have Obie for sure, and we still have Peterson.

My own view is that if we had not done it, that we would have just slithered along with about what we had.

We still have Obie for sure.

We still have the second, third one for sure.

And we still have Peterson and some of the problems.

All of the same cunning people with siloed warplanes.

None of them are antagonists or activists, you know, even when they're doing it.

Worship, we still have the second and third levels.

All of us doing it in our way.

The same cunning people with siloed warplanes.

That's what I do.

Loyalist, you think?

Yeah.

None of them are antagonists or activists.

They don't even want to do anything.

They're doing it in our way.

Now I think that's what I do.

It was interesting at the lunch, didn't I?

Yeah.

Dude, there were Pat Wilson, the finance director, was talking to George Bush's brother.

He was making a point.

He's taking a finance job in Connecticut or something.

Saying that the Xerox people...

It's interesting, at the lunch, too, they were kind of Wilson.

For instance, they're very disturbed that they're concerned.

George Bush's brother is there to be a Democratic company, and they're on the outside.

They want to take active roles.

One of them is going to be a chairman.

He was making a point.

He's starting to take a finance job in Connecticut or something.

The Xerox people, for instance, are in another finance committee or something.

They're very disturbed that they're considered to be a democratic company and they're on the outside and they don't want to take active.

And Pat Wilson said, we're getting that all over.

You got it?

Yeah, I'm good.

It's the run of the country.

We've got people over here.

People, Wolf's one of them is going to be a chairman of the finance committee or something, you know, and they're...

Figuring they got, they got, whether like it or not, you're here for four more years.

Pat Wilson said, it's, we're getting that all over.

He does, yes, and they better figure out some way of being on the inside.

Around the country, we've got people, people over here, people figuring they got, they got, whether like it or not.

I mean, I think through the signals of the changes and all that, also you're not just going to sit here for four years.

You're going to be here for four more years, and you better figure out some way of being on the inside.

You're going to be here for four years doing something, and they better be careful that you're not on the wrong side or whatever.

Yeah.

I mean, I think there's going to be...

I do think that...

The signals of the changes and all that also make it that you're not just going to sit here for four years.

You're going to be here for four years doing something, and they've got to be careful that... We may be, yeah.

That I'm on the wrong side of whatever's going on.

I do think... Because of the...

I'd rather end up handling her than killing one of her and the three others and burying themselves in the so-called compassion gap, which is legitimate, you know what I mean?

Good.

We've made a video on it.

Yeah.

We've given it out there.

A little.

Some.

Of course, some people like the compassion gap.

Right.

I'd rather end up handling it than killing one of her and the three others and burying themselves in the so-called compassion gap.

It's legitimate, you know what I mean?

And some of that's inevitable, and yeah, no matter how well you do it, yeah, yeah, my feeling is out there.

We can be avoided, you know, people that just question that.

You've got to do, you've got to, in that case, that's where it finishes, you know what I mean?

It's a great job with emotive compassion, you know.

A little, some.

Of course, some people like compassion.

Right.

And some of that's inevitable and, yeah, no matter how old you are.

And I must say, it's a little bit of labor.

Partly because they believe it.

Right.

Yet much can be avoided, you know.

It's just a question of, you know, you've got to do, you've got to, in that case, that's where it finishes, you know.

Let's get y'all with the emotive compassion, you know.

And I must say, so do all you Richardson's.

Yes, right.

But I think we can get our own people.

What if they got the flag and have it masked and everything?

It's all under control.

Because they believe it.

All right.

Well, let's get politics in.

Yes, right.

And press down.

First and last minute, then run it down.

All right.

I think we can get our own people.

Well, they've got the flag at half-mast.

Everything's all under control.

Yeah, go ahead.