{"conversationCode":"869-004","tapeNumber":869,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-869-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-06T13:20:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-06T13:24:00.000Z","startDate":"6-Mar-1973","startTime":"8:20 AM","endDate":"6-Mar-1973","endTime":"8:24 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\"); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On March 6, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:20 am and 8:24 am. 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Ford\n            -Desire for meetings with President\n            -Ehrlichman's opinion of meeting\n\nAn unknown man entered at an unknown time after 8:20 am.\n                                            -3-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                      Tape Subject Log\n                                       (rev. May-2010)\n                                                            Conversation No. 869-4 (cont’d)\n\n\n\n\n       John W. Dean, III\n            -Arrival\n            -Meeting with President\n                  -Time\n\nThe unknown man left at an unknown time before 8:24 am.\n\n       Congressional relations\n            -Chowder and Marching Club, policy group luncheon\n                  -Desirability\n            -Ehrlichman\n            -Problems in scheduling\n                  -Meeting with mayors’ group\n            -Surrogate operation\n                  -Administration’s appeal to people\n\n       President's meetings with Congress members\n             -Benefits\n             -Capitol compared with White House\n\nHaldeman left at 8:24 am.","filename":["869-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"869-003","nextCode":"869-005","transcript":[{"start":10.63,"end":16.21,"text":"for more personal conduct, public members, and the U.S. government."},{"start":16.23,"end":19.41,"text":"Scott Maybach to address the Senate GOP conference"},{"start":43.79,"end":46.95,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":47.05,"end":47.62,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":48.44,"end":48.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":77.23,"end":79.1,"text":"Because I didn't."},{"start":79.18,"end":80.62,"text":"I didn't just throw him in the city."},{"start":80.66,"end":84.24,"text":"It got to the point where he was right at Scott's face."},{"start":132,"end":146.96,"text":"about that house, but I did want to start going and got to cancel the mayor, and got to cancel a whole lot of what they were talking about was the need to peddle our own apples rather than going through the numbers that we are making or working with them."},{"start":146.98,"end":160.58,"text":"I mean, I don't know, to be honest, after a certain operations and the whole thing going into the country, going to the people and creating a survey rather than trying to sit down and work that out here."},{"start":162.43,"end":173.71,"text":"So we've had these people now and said this is a great community and we've had them for a reception and security."},{"start":173.73,"end":177.51,"text":"And they don't, it doesn't do any good, that's my point."},{"start":177.53,"end":178.05,"text":"I mean, I don't, or does it?"},{"start":178.07,"end":178.47,"text":"No, it doesn't so far."},{"start":178.5,"end":184.64,"text":"I don't know, but that's just amazing to believe that it will happen."},{"start":184.68,"end":185.18,"text":"Well, I don't know, but..."},{"start":198.82,"end":200.04,"text":"Okay, we have."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H. R. Haldeman met to coordinate upcoming engagements with congressional leadership and refine the administration's outreach strategy. They evaluated the effectiveness of traditional White House meetings versus direct appeals to the public, expressing skepticism regarding the political utility of recent receptions for special interest groups. The discussion included preparations for William E. Timmons to manage scheduling requests from legislative figures like Hugh Scott and Gerald R. Ford while prioritizing a shift toward broader public engagement.","topics":["Congressional Relations","Public Outreach","H. R. Haldeman","William E. Timmons","Scheduling","White House Operations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T22:45:41.779Z"},"topicSlugs":["congressional-relations","public-outreach","h-r-haldeman","william-e-timmons","scheduling","white-house-operations"],"audioDurationSec":208,"audioFiles":[{"file":"869-004.mp3","bytes":1814528,"durationSec":207.53,"bitrate":69946,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.697Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/869-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/869-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/869/conversation-869-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}