{"conversationCode":"872-005","tapeNumber":872,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-872-005","startDateTime":"1973-03-08T16:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-08T16:55:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Mar-1973","startTime":"11:44 AM","endDate":"8-Mar-1973","endTime":"11:55 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 11:44 am and 11:55 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 872-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 872-5\n\nDate: March 8, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 11:44 am and 11:55 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       President's schedule\n             -Types of meetings with departing staff members\n                    -Change to other government jobs\n                    -White House staff\n                    -Departmental senior officials\n                          -Patricia R. Hitt\n                    -Friends of President\n                          -Photographs\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 11:55 am.","filename":["872-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"872-004","nextCode":"872-006","transcript":[{"start":3.7,"end":17.79,"text":"This is our I would not see people just go on another."},{"start":19.15,"end":28.07,"text":"The ones that were in the future."},{"start":39.73,"end":40.4,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed the protocol for managing meetings with departing staff members and senior departmental officials. The President outlined criteria for granting exit interviews, specifically distinguishing between those moving to other government positions versus those leaving the administration entirely. They also addressed the inclusion of personal friends in farewell photograph sessions as part of these transitions.","topics":["White House staffing","Personnel management","Presidential scheduling","Patricia R. Hitt","Administrative protocol"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T22:50:26.600Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-staffing","personnel-management","presidential-scheduling","patricia-r-hitt","administrative-protocol"],"audioDurationSec":56,"audioFiles":[{"file":"872-005.mp3","bytes":372736,"durationSec":56.04,"bitrate":53209,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.696Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/872-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/872-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/872/conversation-872-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}