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I don't as of this morning, we didn't.

But Roy had to leave early, so we really didn't.

You thought it would be a good idea with Schultz gone to do it with just

But generally speaking, I think this guy should be without Schultz.

Schultz is a traitor.

He's over there anyway.

And I don't think he's going to be useful in stat games.

I've got so much to talk to him.

And I want Schultz to be playing the field.

Because he tends to, like a sponge, you know, as you're looking at yourself, I think he should be here.

But on this score, and that's just the way it will be.

We don't get to publicize it.

The others are around the White House when I call you in.

Let me see if there's any real reason.

If you can, while you're stacked up now, you can sure use the time.

Thank you.

I got it back a little early because I told them I was going off and that we should start preparing.

Sure, sure.

Well, I just wanted to say, Mr. Master, that I have received your message and communications and so forth, and I'm very pleased that we're now ready to go forward on a firm date.

I've given him our preferred date.

The announcement will be early in April.

The date is a little better for us.

June 25th, Mr. President.

June 25th is a little better.

Well, the date, as you mentioned, I discussed with Mr. Brescian, but this is a second point, it's quite all right, but it's a great date.

I didn't want to hear it.

Now, the second thing is, however, in a personal sense, I wanted to convey to him is that I would, that I not only want to receive him here, but I want to also be in San Clemente after he has taken the trip, so we can have a private meeting and a social meeting there, you know, any time we'd like for Arisha and you to come.

as well, and of course it would be important that she's along for every lunch.

Our facility's there, and I'm glad we can have a pleasant time.

And I'll figure out what I think the California schedule ought to be, but you'll enjoy San Clemente, don't you think so?

Absolutely.

We might even take a walk on the beach, and I'll get my big dog on.

The other thing is that I think it would be well to, in addition to the meeting here,

If we were to have one meeting under a talking candidate, I think it's a good place to have a talk.

That's a sentimental thing.

Sentimental.

Many of the sentimental things.

Personal, honest, and so forth.

I don't think you've ever had a reception for any foreign leader at your house before.

No.

You've had somebody come in.

No, we had this in Tanaka there, remember?

Yeah, but you had to find something maybe from the little, uh... Oh, let's get a little...

I'm putting this on the basis of the... Well, frankly, I thought that he might like, might enjoy meeting instead of just the politicians that some of our other people.

You think so?

I think so.

He sees the same people all the time, you know.

We've got a lot of features.

The stars out there would like to meet the general secretary.

Well, they do.

But we haven't been able to work out something like that on the social media.

But what we want to do is to clear it the whole week so that, of course, you want to move your cobwebs over some other place, whatever, whatever.

But I'll clear the week because the first priority will be the talks that we have.

Now, in order for that to go over, of course,

Oh, the other thing I should say is this, that I would like, as you know, it is not my custom except for one visit to the French Embassy to go dancing because of the demand, but if you would like, I would like very much to have a return dinner at your embassy.

Thank you very much, sir.

We've got a new schedule, so we'll have two days, and that should be eaten.

I'd like to have it at night.

I don't like lunch, so if I have it at night...

So we would, so in other words, we would, in a certain point of time, we had a big interview.

We'd have, of course, the state dinner here and return.

You see, it might not be broken on the, you know, consider the lunch time as anything.

Good, but as soon as that happens, San Clemente will have sort of a reception and a private dinner at my house.

But a reception around the pool and that sort of thing where people can shake hands, I think that's what he would like.

You know, in all of our, you know, Spanish music, it gets a little feel of our life in this country.

And then the other one is to have, in Camp David, the quiet.

You know, there were just a few of us sitting around, and he gets a chance to have some time by himself, and also we'll have a chance for the conference.

So that's about the way I see it.

Now, to make this thing go, it was of course you and Henry's work that made the other meeting successful.

Nobody will ever know how much you worked and all that, because people think, well, we got into the sun.

We got to know each other as a result of all that.

But here we are, and we agree, this is the way it worked.

We all know that as a result of the communications that took place over

over a year.

That's how it happened, and that's the way it should, and I know the expression wants it that way.

It's the way we want it.

I'm going to turn Henry loose as much as other people permit, and as much as your schedule will permit, to work on the preliminaries, because this meeting must succeed.

I don't want anything to happen on this one, which we're doing so that we can succeed, so that we can keep the ball rolling.

That's what I have in mind.

I've seen the subjects that you have.

They're tough.

They're tough for you, tough for us, but we're prepared to talk about all of them, because we want a successful meeting.

And so, if it doesn't succeed, Henry and you get the blame.

And I still get the blame.

Yeah, all of them are self-prepared.

That's all I had in mind.

But it ain't good enough.

communication with this, which he asked me to come here and break it, but I already mentioned to Henry that I write, because it was an idea to pass the film to Henry, so I mentioned, but yesterday, after we discussed with him, already he had some reservations, so he let me tell you personally, because Henry mentioned that there is a possibility, maybe today you drop, or I will be here, and so

In this case, I see a person who asked me to tell you the following.

First, about the protocol relations you made.

He refused.

He didn't appreciate the old things you are.

Thus, he took it more to Europe.

He said he can make Europe a house.

It's unlimited.

he asked me directly to give him an appreciation for the real human approach to this myth and he believed in that appreciation.

Second, he would like to mention that, for example, he does of course

He really accepts everything you suggest.

He may have some more suggestions in a later stage, but then we will work out what can be achieved.

But basically, he definitely accepts what he proposes, and he accepts it as a pleasure to do.

So, this I think he will do right now.

He thought it would be a good outcome.

So, he took the watch to the White House, gave it there, and made it clear to the House.

And I think he will eventually do it.

Well, there is a moment, a second, to sum up what I already mentioned here at his approach.

Here I would like to emphasize two points.

First, that this particular meeting with you, that he looks at this not only to fill up what we already look for in life, but rather to open a new line for further different relationships in our country.

that this is the way that it really should deepen and broaden our relationship as a common state between people like the President and the Secretary of General Relationship.

So it's not only, it's not to fulfill what was described in the last meeting, but he hopes it will be okay to move forward to make it much more second.

I think the results will be decisive.

to the nation of Medellin at the next festival for the President of the United States to come again to the Soviet Union next year.

And he would like you not to be in Moscow, but travel to Makate.

To see the people.

He knows that you will be the tourist there, but he would like you to see more.

So we could do it now.

So we should read it worldwide.

And maybe we should read it

to show what kind of relationship we hope to have with each other.

In general, he felt that maybe the idea of the reviewer would mesh on, that the process was really something we should be prepared for, and he did it.

Second, that maybe we should make it more regular, not to make it once, and that's all.

So, he challenges you, and he will move forward and work in this particular direction.

So, he feels this way, you see, that we are now

Still, there is a difficult decision which exists in public opinion and there are some forces who are trying to neutralize the advance which, the special advance we have made, you know it as well.

So, he feels that the results of this particular meeting with EU should be well prepared, should be of a magnitude which really will neutralize those who tries to stop development.

That is positive and we hope for the years to come.

It's not on a temporary basis, but it will be for really good good.

So in this case, he asked me specifically about health care.

But just once again, to your attention, this is an issue that I already mentioned to you, this personal letter, and it's possible to have several kinds of issues which are there.

First of all, he really hopes that you will pay your personal attention to the issue raised about private, the issue of private communication, the translation, etc.

We are going to discuss and to settle that it will have tremendous impact on our community and he hopes on yours and also on ours.

You understand it's a more psychological thing to some extent.

After all, there is not such a great thing in this particular treaty or agreement in the matter of Hellenic transfer.

But this question of, after so many years of confrontation between two big powers of the world, whose state we show

Two countries do not accept the freedom of communication.

He feels, and all my others, we feel very real.

It's actually a feeling in my own country, as in your country, and all over the world.

This is a movement in which there are many other documents, or statements, or other things which was done, which was after the Second World War, which is awful.

Well, of course, one of the questions, you know, in this particular case, he asked me the right question.

Of course, he was here expecting to discuss the fundamentalism, and he asked me if you care to make some comments on the first issue, or the second, but you're very brave if you are an analyst, and this is a very ordinary experience, but if you want at least two issues, and if they're not possible, then there are two questions.

If they're not, then it's not an issue, and I feel it's definitely not an issue.

Let me begin by saying, as far as the

bilateral relations in the economic and other areas, the non-security areas, I believe we should be able to make some significant strides.

I told Shultz to go over and explore in a very forthcoming way these problems, and that's everything.

So we're laying the foundation for that.

That's the start of the easiest one.

Second, with regard to SALT, you know, that's a tough one, because that involves our security.

And we had our meeting this morning on it, our National Security Council.

But I am determined that we should have SALT.

And I think this morning one of our people said it would take three to five years.

So I expect you and Henry to work something out so it takes three to five months.

Third, the MIDI.

As you know, we have been talking to all parties.

This is you that have been talking to all parties.

With regard to the Middle East, we will continue.

That is the one subject, the one major subject that Henry will have to

continue to work on at a time that he's working with you on the sign.

And he will.

And on that, I can't say that we've got a solution.

We haven't.

I do say that it is a very high priority to us.

Very high priority.

And we are now able to devote more attention to it than we have previously.

And we are having very forthcoming talks by all sides.

By forthcoming, I don't mean that there's much give, but at least there, we at least up to this point, based on our three conversations, believe that it's worth continuing the talks.

We would hope to have some of that in a position whereby when we come to the summit, we would have something positive.

I just think we're working on it.

It's very difficult.

And one of my goals, I've told Henry, is to try to end something like this.

The nuclear thing is extremely difficult.

No, not between the two of us, but from the standpoint of our allies, for example, and Europe and so forth.

On that, we actually have to do some very private thinking and consultation, which we have already begun to do.

It is here that what we have to find is that you put your finger on it, it's psychological more than it is substantive.

It really is.

After all,

I said, there's going to be no war anymore.

It was very good psychology, but not, didn't have much support.

This is more.

This is more than that, because this involves the two superpowers, and it involves all some weapons.

And I understand that.

And I understand the sentiments that motivate the Gresham F. and I to share some of those sentiments.

But what we have to do is to find a formula.

We've got to find the language.

And if you could be helpful with Henry in working on the language,

I told him, Mr. President, that you were considering a new approach, which we were working on.

That's right.

And that we spent some time on the one I discussed with you on Tuesday and Wednesday.

I got this first.

Yeah, the first of this week, and that we will try to have in final shape to give to Anatole Tuesday or Wednesday next week.

Right.

You will submit that, Mr. President.

That's right.

Well, along the lines that you and I discussed.

And what we will do then is to give you some words.

And you take that and you say, no, of course, you should use it.

I think I defined it to Anatole along the lines of your statement the other day.

They want a binding obligation, which is tough for us.

We have put it in a more general way, which they feel is too vague.

So we have to find some language that indicates that we, as the two superpowers in the nuclear field, have a special responsibility to preserve the nuclear peace, which goes beyond what we have discussed.

You don't know what ever lasts forever.

But the binding part, we'd have to realize, is going to depend to a great extent on the will of each party impressionist and Nixon to keep it in.

And that expense is money.

That's the important thing.

So if you give a little of the language, let me say that when he's here, we can have a good frank talk.

And I think that's the reason.

Well, the language has got to be worked on.

Yes, it's going to have to be worked on.

He'll give you some language on Tuesday.

You take it.

Yes, we're going to.

And we'll come back for you.

But I'd be glad to see us get some language on this.

But let's keep it just an afternoon, because all hell breaks loose.

One of the few people we can talk to is .

He doesn't talk.

But on the balance of his travel in this country, getting back to, well, it isn't such an investment.

I don't approve of my, look at the mindset.

Make a recommendation.

You suggest whatever you travel on.

Okay.

The door's open.

Everybody wants to come.

five years so i'm very rewarding and i'm saying absolutely the most difficult i'd love to follow the reasons for this that that'll be the best audience you'll ever have absolutely oh i would like to do this would be very helpful this sounds small but that doesn't work with the guest list except for just a few of the top

If you could invite guests to your thing, then we don't invite to ours.

In other words, everybody wants to see pressure.

So if you could sort of go down, and then rather than just having the same people,

That would be a double the number of people we take care of.

And cut in half the number of people that get mad.

All right.

Goodbye.

They want to find an obligation, which is tough for us.

We have put it in a more general way, which they feel is too vague, so we have to find some language that indicates that we, as the two superpowers in the nuclear field, have a special responsibility to preserve the nuclear peace, which goes beyond what we have discussed.

You don't know what ever lasts forever.

But the binding part, we'd have to realize is going to depend to a great extent on the will of each party impressionist and Nixon to keep it in.

And that is Vincent's finding.

Exactly.

That's the finding.

That's the important thing.

So if you give a little of the language, let me say that when he's here, we can have a good frank talk.

And I think that's the reason.

Well, the language has got to be worked on.

Yes, it's going to have to be worked on.

He'll give you some language on Tuesday.

You take it.

And we'll come back for you.

But I'd be glad to see us get some language on this.

But let's keep it just an afternoon, because all hell breaks loose.

One of the few people we can talk to is .

He doesn't talk.

But on the balance of his travel in this country, getting back to, well, it is such and this, but I don't approve of looking at the finances.

I make the recommendation that you suggest whatever you travel on.

But the door is open.

Everybody wants to come.

for five years, so I'm really rewarding him.

I told him, look, the whole thing, I'd love to follow up with you.

That'll be the best audience you'll ever have.

Oh, I would like to do this.

It would be very helpful.

This sounds small.

But that was the time when I was working with the guest list, except for just a few at the top.

If you could invite guests to your thing, then we don't invite them to ours.

In other words, everybody wants to see fresh.

So if you could sort of go down, and then rather than just having the same people,

That's what you're doing.

And that way, that way we can double the number of people we take care of.

And cut in half the number of people we get mad at.

Okay.

All right.

Goodbye.