{"conversationCode":"872-012","tapeNumber":872,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-872-012","startDateTime":"1973-03-08T18:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-08T18:21:00.000Z","startDate":"8-Mar-1973","startTime":"1:16 PM","endDate":"8-Mar-1973","endTime":"1:21 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Jaffe, Jerome H. (Dr.); Davison, Robert V.; Davison, Robert V. (Mrs.); Kaupinen, Allen G.; Kaupinen, Allen G. (Mrs.); Reisner, Robert A. F.; Reisner, Robert A. F. (Mrs.); Eberle, Jane S.; Muse, Carolyn K.; Axelson, Gary;","description":"On March 8, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe, Robert V. Davison, Mrs. Robert V. Davison, Allen G. Kaupinen, Mrs. Allen G. Kaupinen, Robert A. F. Reisner, Mrs. Robert A. F. Reisner, Jane S. Eberle, Carolyn K. Muse, and Gary Axelson met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 1:16 pm and 1:21 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 872-012 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 872-12\n\nDate: March 8, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 1:16 pm and 1:21 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Robert V. Davison, Mrs. Robert V. Davison, Allen G. Kaupinen, Mrs.\nAllen G. Kaupinen, Robert A. F. Reisner, Mrs. Robert A. F. Reisner, Jane S. Eberle, Carolyn K.\nMuse, and Jerry H. Jones. The White House photographer was present at the beginning of the\nmeeting. Gary Axelson was present at an unknown time after 1:16 pm.\n\n       Introductions\n             -Canada\n             -Dinner\n\n       Work of departing staff members\n            -Pay\n            -Allen Kaupinen’s new job\n                  -General Services Administration [GSA]\n            -President's appreciation\n            -Placement in Federal agencies\n\n       Robert Reisner\n            -Assistance to Clark MacGregor\n            -President's appreciation\n            -Photograph session\n\n       Jane Eberle\n             -Work with Ronald W. Reagan\n             -Job at State Department\n\n             Carolyn Muse-Work for Jerry Jones\n             -New job\n                  -J. D. Serle [?]\n\n       Gary Axelson\n            -Press coverage of campaign\n                  -William P. Rogers\n            -Radio compared to television [TV]\n\f                                             -20-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 872-23 (cont’d)\n\n       Photograph\n\n       Axelson’s desk job\n\nAn unknown man entered at 1:21 pm.\n\nDavidson et al. left at 1:21 pm.\n\n       Meeting with Tony Martin\n\nThe unknown man left at 1:21 pm.","filename":["872-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Jaffe, Jerome H. (Dr.)","Davison, Robert V.","Davison, Robert V. (Mrs.)","Kaupinen, Allen G.","Kaupinen, Allen G. (Mrs.)","Reisner, Robert A. F.","Reisner, Robert A. F. (Mrs.)","Eberle, Jane S.","Muse, Carolyn K.","Axelson, Gary"],"prevCode":"872-011","nextCode":"872-013","transcript":[{"start":3.36,"end":4.68,"text":"uh... uh... uh... uh..."},{"start":36.08,"end":37,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":49.58,"end":51.38,"text":"No, no, no, no."},{"start":67.75,"end":70.4,"text":"I was called over to be the number three man in GSA."},{"start":70.42,"end":76.98,"text":"If you ask him that for a year, he's got to surrender him and not allow my drug to kill his claim."},{"start":77,"end":79.02,"text":"That's a very important speculation."},{"start":79.14,"end":81.11,"text":"You stand to my right, please."},{"start":81.12,"end":85.55,"text":"Would you just drop the person off?"},{"start":93.45,"end":95.74,"text":"That's all you can actually think of here in the kitchen, so we want to make good."},{"start":95.8,"end":103.14,"text":"Well, we appreciate your work, and, uh, we have a little picture around here, but we can see we're seating a lot of people on the haste."},{"start":103.16,"end":106.11,"text":"I didn't say it was going to be so much."},{"start":107.23,"end":109.57,"text":"Well, you're going to be a part of it."},{"start":109.81,"end":111.33,"text":"Oh, you're still part of the team."},{"start":111.37,"end":112.05,"text":"That's right, huh?"},{"start":112.07,"end":112.37,"text":"That's right."},{"start":112.43,"end":116.03,"text":"Nice to have you here, and have fun."},{"start":116.15,"end":116.71,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":123.87,"end":127.89,"text":"President, this is Elizabeth and Rob Reasoner."},{"start":128.29,"end":129.29,"text":"Bob Reasoner."},{"start":129.41,"end":129.65,"text":"Yes."},{"start":129.75,"end":134.69,"text":"Bob was born to come from America, so this is an American campaign."},{"start":134.75,"end":135.94,"text":"Yeah, well, we're not done."},{"start":135.96,"end":137.64,"text":"It's a great job."},{"start":137.8,"end":140.2,"text":"Very nice of you to take your time."},{"start":141.78,"end":143.4,"text":"Well, we're glad."},{"start":143.42,"end":148.35,"text":"I just wanted to express appreciation for you."},{"start":148.37,"end":149.45,"text":"I wish you well."},{"start":149.53,"end":150.13,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":150.15,"end":150.57,"text":"Let's go."},{"start":151.98,"end":159.14,"text":"All right."},{"start":174.13,"end":175.03,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":175.41,"end":179.37,"text":"Just give him a smile."},{"start":179.55,"end":182.47,"text":"This is Mrs. Jane Everett."},{"start":182.53,"end":182.91,"text":"Yes."},{"start":183.21,"end":190.23,"text":"She was in the Governor Reagan's office here for four or five years and has been helping us for the last two."},{"start":190.33,"end":191.75,"text":"Wonderful judgments."},{"start":191.83,"end":196.28,"text":"Well, it's going over to the State Department."},{"start":196.38,"end":197.36,"text":"Yes, I know."},{"start":198.4,"end":199.48,"text":"Now we're here."},{"start":199.5,"end":199.96,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":207.03,"end":209.15,"text":"We have some pretty girls to shoot today."},{"start":209.19,"end":211.55,"text":"They have a better restaurant than we have."},{"start":221.32,"end":222.17,"text":"This is Carol Hughes."},{"start":222.71,"end":225.61,"text":"She's been my secretary for the last five years."},{"start":225.67,"end":227.03,"text":"We're night and day here."},{"start":227.11,"end":227.91,"text":"Night and day here."},{"start":227.95,"end":229.69,"text":"Thank you so much."},{"start":229.71,"end":231.11,"text":"Now, where's Carol?"},{"start":231.23,"end":233.46,"text":"Carol is going with J.D."},{"start":233.66,"end":233.96,"text":"Searle."},{"start":234,"end":236.16,"text":"They're opening a Washington office."},{"start":236.24,"end":238.68,"text":"I'm very anxious to find them."},{"start":238.7,"end":241,"text":"Dad's Washington."},{"start":242.04,"end":246.87,"text":"Dad Searle has been talking to her dad."},{"start":246.93,"end":247.89,"text":"They're lucky."},{"start":247.91,"end":248.65,"text":"I'm excited about it."},{"start":248.69,"end":250.01,"text":"I think so."},{"start":252.46,"end":259.11,"text":"Go ahead and stand on my right and we'll look out."},{"start":261.64,"end":261.99,"text":"See?"},{"start":262.44,"end":264.25,"text":"It's great to talk to you."},{"start":265.41,"end":267.27,"text":"It makes everybody feel free."},{"start":267.29,"end":268.05,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":268.15,"end":269.39,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":269.47,"end":270.95,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":271.05,"end":272.63,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":272.69,"end":273.55,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":273.65,"end":275.23,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":275.35,"end":276.47,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":276.57,"end":277.81,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":277.95,"end":279.09,"text":"I get nervous."},{"start":285.31,"end":286.15,"text":"Well, yes, sir."},{"start":286.67,"end":288.17,"text":"I'm right about making a sign."},{"start":288.27,"end":290.62,"text":"But that's the way from those people's fault."},{"start":290.64,"end":291.78,"text":"That's the radio matter."},{"start":292.22,"end":292.86,"text":"It doesn't matter."},{"start":292.9,"end":294.28,"text":"We're using it all the time."},{"start":295.1,"end":298.16,"text":"We're going to start a new one."},{"start":298.18,"end":301.81,"text":"Let's get a good picture over here before you go."},{"start":302.25,"end":305.55,"text":"I'm telling you, this is a good picture, sir."},{"start":309.95,"end":311.59,"text":"Oh, I wish you the best."},{"start":311.65,"end":313.11,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":313.21,"end":316.11,"text":"You'll be still recovering."},{"start":316.29,"end":321.5,"text":"I'm in the office mostly, Mr. President."},{"start":322.12,"end":324.86,"text":"He's behind the desk now."},{"start":325.06,"end":327.1,"text":"He's a 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