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I don't know what else to say.

I've tracked down your friend Malcolm E. Smith.

And it's kind of interesting.

He's only 55 years old.

And he lives in Long Island and runs a radio station in the house of Long Island that he owns.

He lives on a 30-acre estate and ran for Congress against a private

in uh 70 and lost and uh uh was in your office here in the for the candidate photo thing you know cloud through was is very conservative before the election had uh criticized you as being too liberal and said before the 70 last week you got off of that way as a nixon man said he agreed with your

all of your policies except family assistance."

And he was outspokenly opposed to family assistance.

Anyway, I called him and said, you know, I was curious because I had just come across his book and I found it was rather difficult to come by and wondered what had happened.

He said that he wrote it and couldn't get it published.

He spent four years doing the research on it.

Couldn't get a publisher.

So he published it himself.

under a name of some kind, you know.

And he ran some ads in some newspapers to get some sales going.

He got a pretty good response on it and got intrigued with that.

And then went to Crown Publishing, who agreed to take on the store distribution for him on it.

And they were going to, you know, begin a movie in the bookstores.

And just at that time, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.

So both he and the Crown Publishing people decided there wasn't much point in trying to peddle a book

at that point, so he quit.

I said, is there any way I can get some copies?

And he says, yes, I have 2,500 here.

How would you like?

And I said that I'd like to buy 12 copies if I could.

And so he won't stop until he's sending me 12 copies.

He said, why don't you go back to a publisher now?

I said, why don't you go back to a publisher now?

He said, yeah, I was thinking about it the other day.

He said, with all these other books coming out now, it's getting to be fashionable.

And he said, you know, Michael K is very well written.

But he said, it's very well researched.

He said, there's nothing wrong with my facts.

The only point that's been challenged to him is at some point on chili and copper, I don't remember what it was, but it was something that I picked up a quote, and I got the quote accurately, but the guy I quoted was wrong.

And so there is a factual error on that, but he said, all the rest of it, as far as I can determine, and as anybody's phrased, is accurate.

I said, what are you doing now?

What do you do?

He said, well, I've got a new project.

I'm about to start a citizen's lobby like John Gardner's one.

It's going to be a conservative one and go the other way.

He said, oh, that's interesting.

But I didn't want to get into pushing the book because I didn't want to.

The guy is a little bit irresponsible.

He's a promoter type guy.

And I didn't want to give him the chance to say the White House put it out.

But what I will do is get the book, get it to some outside people, and get them to go back to him, saying, you know, we saw this book.

I think he could get a publisher to take it now and run a new printing on it.

He might even, he might agree, and a publisher might agree to get a writer to clean it up.

Yeah, if you've got a good writer, how long can you do it?

Or they can, you know, a publisher, you can hire a ghost type of guy with some writing talent who, because the work in that kind of book is the research, writing.

I wonder if Hope Lewis could take a, he's got, no, they don't have the publishing house, but he's got...

And just to say there's a hell of a lot of interest in this.

Clem's got a publishing house, too.

Give it to Clem.

That's a veteran of Clem's.

I mean, he described it to us.

I mean, he might hold it.

He would have the writer put on it.

Yeah, he would.

Well, it was interesting.

He said, he was probably glad we read the damn thing.

I discovered it.

Pike hit him in a campaign.

He said he's a fraud.

He's a promoter, and his campaign has been a masterpiece of fraudulent advertising.

He's been prosecuted twice by the federal government in connection with advertisements for a health food known as Poundex and for a chemical you spray on your lawn.

The Federal Trade Commission ruled that the promotion of the two products was misleading.

The former mayor of the village of Nisiquot on the North Shore lives on a state of 30 acres trending on Stony Brook River.

The main thrust of his campaign is that President Nixon

And pipe sergeant in the back was that he supported me, makes the administration better than anybody else I've known.

Was he sober?

Was he drunk?

I didn't know he was drunk.

That's probably not this early in the afternoon.

I've seen it in the evening.

Okay.

Well, he was, yes, sober as he could be.

He was fine.

So, just reaching out there, I mean, it's just totally, totally 180 degrees the way you can up there, you know.

Yeah.

You think you've got, you know, the impression of the president, you know, that you've got this letter, and this is not a big thing that's happening.

He just based this virtually on being a part of the supply.

The other part was the people business.

Well, not what was basically the harm or anything like that.

It was the idea that we were being protective of being and we weren't going to care or concern.

Well, so much of it is on a false premise.

It's what's perceived.

It's what people think, yeah.

And on that, what certain people think is false.

in this town, that's for sure.

And yet we do reasonably well in the country at the moment.

We don't have quite that bad impression through your group writing.

Absolutely.

I talked to Larry.

I didn't raise it because I had sort of led into it to see what he was up to and what was going on.

And he's here for just a couple days, and then he's leaving for Mexico.

And they're going to spend two or three weeks down south in Acapulco or Tres Divas.

And then they're going to spend some more time off and then come back.

And he says that they are going to live in Washington.

The only reason he's here now is that Dave Packard

forced him pretty much to take on the chairmanship of this Wolf Trap Farm concert business, you know, and try to pull that out.

Because C.R.

Smith had been handling it and screwed it all up.

Packard has put $3.9 million into that.

There's plenty to put some more in.

Why?

I don't know.

Do a good project.

Kay Shouse has talked him into it or something, or he likes the idea, or I don't know.

Why don't we have that?

But he's just, he's intrigued.

Why don't we have that?

He'd be awfully good with me.

Right.

He'd be so blunt and sincere.

Did you give a call to him?

Yeah.

I remember he was coming down for that meeting.

But it was about benching the rest of them.

I said, you've got to be in touch with me, you know.

Yeah, this is what happened.

And you talked to him.

I mean, you better call him.

Yeah.

Because I just... Well, back...

I guess I called him and I missed him.

He wasn't...

He wanted something.

I didn't talk to him.

He wanted something, but...

Why don't you raise the point that I raise the point that all this governor, why doesn't he run?

I'm asking you to do it.

He'd be a hell of a governor too.

He'd be just a hell of a governor, you know.

He's compassionate, nice, everything that a governor needs to be, and yet he'd be running the goddamn place.

Terrific governor.

He just might do it, you know.

He's got enough of a feel of politics and all that, but I wish he would have talked about this thing, but I really haven't.

And I was trying to think of some guide or something like that.

You've got to call him and talk to him over to the other colleague.

Yeah.

So he's got some other clients that he's going to also tell him that I worked out, that we were going to work on the Chinese video, whatever, what I called that out.

That I told him to work it out.

And third, I said to the president, just, you know, I gave you a very good opportunity.

I kind of sensed it some way earlier.

When we're dealing with the Congress, Bob, you can't do it with basically administrative assistants, with what are basically people that in their minds are administrative assistants.

Now that's really what we're getting down to.

See, Bryce was not an administrative assistant.

He acted like one at times.

But Bryce had a certain speak of his own.

Yeah, right.

Because he already first had a speak of his own.

And of course,

McGregor had spades, but let's face it, except when it's for an errand kind of a thing, like getting something done, you're not going to find them talking to us, or to our owners, or to us, as they would talk to Ohio or to McGregor.

Now that's our problem in a nutshell.

And how we can fill that gap, gap, gap, I just don't know.

We knew at the time it was a problem.

But I don't think we anticipated the time.

I know, I know, and Bill is just great on it.

But right at the present time, he bought the job.

But it was his view that he wasn't the right guy for the job, or just almost precisely what you've just said.

We thought we could back him up.

Remember the talking paper said when we back him up and so forth, we could build him up.

But that is it.

It doesn't matter how you back him up.

He's had .

That, we've given him more time than I've ever given Gregor.

I travel all the time.

I get him in.

I have him ride with me.

But he just isn't the guy for everyone.

It's not his fault.

I think we may have something here at least fresh in my mind.

They may want to get together and stick with us on a lot of things.

But they are here to get a portion of that.

And Conlon is a goer.

He wants to be a leader.

He's no crush on that.

They don't get it in.

And a lot of them, you've got to remember, they got it because I was on the team.

Let's face it.

They don't know that.

They just know how they got it.

Right?

No questions.

They know they were the next in line to slide in class.

I was glad he wasn't that one in class.

He sent you a nice wire, giving you all the credit for deciding on a wire.

They got up on the inside of the wire?

Yeah, but I think they got up on the call recommendation, and Mike on the call.

What did the wire say?

said that his vote was, his victory was a Nixon, a tribute to the Nixon policy, that what brought him through was your firm standing on government spending, uh, right at the time of the campaign or something, and that his, he was proud to be a member of the Nixon team.

Yeah, that kind of, that made, it was a total, it was a hell of a good trade.

It really is.

Let them suffer with Regal for a while.

I control college, but be sure to tell them you must have a press conference out here.

God damn it, you'll see.

You must be.

We've got a spectacular guy out here.

I'll get Christian.

I can't get John.

That's better.

That's better concentration.

Say, look, you can say I can heal that very strong, but just don't waste it.

Just go smash it.

He ought to come up here.

He ought to make himself a national figure.

He ought not to be modest about it.

Pretend he's just a local boy changing parts.

He should not do it out of Texas.

Basically, he's a national figure, not a Texas figure anymore.

That's the one I want to see across.

I mean, part of the Democrats.

Well, he's all that they are, most of them.

Well, this is where we're going with these guys, right?

I'm a bird, and I'm trying to do what I can with each one of them.

Right.

I hope that I made the picture of the trade bill great.

Great.

Well, that's worthwhile.

You've got that much of a bunch.

And they are.

That's a group that can be relatively solid, especially when you've got a leader.

You've got a guy that wants to.

I must say, they're not the world's most exciting looking group.

They're a few that look not bad.

They're an awful lot.

They look pretty old.

Thanks to Wilson.

Yeah.

They're like Bob Wilson.

Yeah.

There they are.

Basically, that's why Colin's the leader.

Because he's the man.

Lean.

You sure got a bad osmosis, right?

Yeah, right.

They knew it was going to be bad.

I think they were surprised that the non-food stuff was as bad as the other stuff.

They knew food was going to be bad.

I don't think they expected the other to be quite that bad.

What would they have agreed to now?

That's what they talked about this morning.

I don't know what Kyle said this morning.

Well, it's good to talk to you guys, though.

You feel a little strongly about it.

I think part of that perhaps but it's hard part of it may be

The fact that we do have, we have proficients for our strike, our weakness.

We're just about, we have basically our, our whole administration's people have gotten to have good managers.

They aren't the gushies that we love to, you know, start a thing.

That's right, that is, that is a weakness.

That is true.

And it's not a curable weakness except by changing the people.

You can't make these people be that.

No, sir.

You couldn't take Renner and make him a charismatic leader for Christ's sake.

You're getting away.

He's just basically a very dull, I hope, good manager.

That's all.

Well, I'm delighted to have received that.

I've seen lots of great guys, and I'm fascinated by each of them.

That's right.

But it must be a little hard.

Absolutely.

Robin, they should be in this office, though.

You know, I think both of these guys say it's a compliment to them.

You know, they're very invited to come here and get started with what we're doing.

And again, I think it's a compliment.

I mean, I know it's a compliment.

and so forth.

I said, you've got to really get above and see what it's really all about.

You're building the world.

You're building what's called the economy in the United States.

You're going to contribute to the spiritual and moral strength of this country.

And that's what they need to do.

They're going to make themselves feel worthwhile.

They've got to make it.

They've always got to be in programs.

They're not doing shit.

This is one of them.

I do think we're weak on the speed track.

We are a programmatic show.

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You can't do it.

It's what these people create images.

And they do the magic of it.

And they decided that they're going to create an image of heartlessness and weakness and coldness and anger and so forth.

Goddamn, Bob, that's where it's going to come true.

You agree?

Yeah.

I get that.

I've seen it on a small scale.

It's really kind of fascinating.

It usually may not carry my story.

It could be the best that all could happen.

Good.

Great.

Because?

New York is rejecting everything that's coming in because it's all good.

They haven't been able anywhere.

And they've scoured the country.

They've been working the same, their whole force, apparently.

They can't get anything, anybody who will say anything bad.

The worst bad stuff they've been able to get, apparently, is several people on the Hill who have said, yes, Hollywood is a sign of adventure.

But they instantly, in every case, said, because the job that he holds is one that requires a guy to be a son of a bitch, and there's no way it can be anything else.

We're getting it back from Henry Truitt.

Truitt is scared to death.

He has told Newsweek now that if they run, if they distort the story,

on the basis that they keep trying to, because they keep trying to push the negatives.

They keep coming back to him on getting bad stuff and all.

He says, if you do it, I'll be lost down here.

I'll have no credibility, because everything I've gotten, and I've written an honest story, I've written the facts, and everybody else who's done the research on the other stuff from around everywhere else has gotten the same thing.

See, what they're getting is a straight-line thing that Holland is tough and cold, but he is totally honest.

and totally selfless.

And what he's doing, he's doing because it's what needs to be done, not for his own gain or for vindictiveness or anything like that.

And they've gotten that from the bad guys as well as the good guys, apparently.

Someone else, you know, a couple years ago, they were doing a major story on me for Time or someplace, and they dropped the whole story because they couldn't get any bad stuff.

They push so hard for the stuff they can't get that they're either going to have to run it this way, which they don't want to do, write a distorted story, which they'll have real problems with before dropping.

That's the whole thing that he wants to get across, you know, Chris Sire and so forth about this.

God, I can't.

Of course, you know, he got across it.

I had told him, I said, you know, do you hear what I said about, when I asked him a question about the flagships and everything?

I said, it appears.

What is it?

That's right.

I never do.

That's right.

They will not use it in any of that stuff.

Because it goes against the image.

Had he heard?

I'll bet he didn't know what you said.

I think I heard what your mom said.

If he gets a transcript of your press conference, you'd think he'd read it.

Well, I don't know, but I got that for a second.

Maybe he did read that.

I'll bet he did.

Who the hell reads transcript of a press conference?

That's the point.

Well, he ought to, because he's right.

Nah.

They don't read that.

Because, you know, if you had Crosby noise in here, I don't think he'd agree with it that well.

They've both basically got the Ray Price view that they want you to be respected, loved, and everything.

They want you to be loved, but they also want the president to be one who cares about the people that he's writing about.

I don't know what in Christ we can do.

I said, I'm not going to do any chemics.

And of course, I did that for John.

So I asked John to be in here and say, in Christ, I took it out of that Negro high school.

And in Christ, I'm going to worship through everything.

Those things don't come out of nothing.

They never come out.

And then you've got that trade school out here in the Northwest out in the hospital.

What the hell?

They never come off, you know, the nursing homes and the rest.

All for the incurables.

Poor old Dick Mark had to run with us to get to a goddamn bit of good.

Nothing.

All these parties we do for the old folks, for the poor folks, and so forth and so on.

We've done it since like nobody's business.

There will most of us know anything about those.

Part of this, you see it again when you have, say we're counting two pretty cold people.

They won't put that stuff out.

They can't.

To that it's not news, and it isn't news by God.

The difference with the campaign is, and I told him this, I said, with the campaign, let's face it, and with Roosevelt, he was down on his face, and the PRC prepared him.

I said, why, of course.

I said, the press wanted him to appear that way.

And I said, because they like his views.

They don't like my views.

I said, why is that?

And I said, I went into the black funnel.

I said, he didn't care at all.

I said, you're asking people who are in this White House what they thought of us.

I said, I like it.

Not in the cerebral way, the way Johnson did.

Because I went to school with him.

I played with him all day.

But I consider it to be, this is another thing that maybe one of our people could get out of the way.

I would suggest many times, if somebody wanted to question the helper out here, questions here, questions, whatever.

I don't know that any of them can make the right decision.

See, if you can, it says, first you need to cross, and second, this is a good thing to do.

Isn't that what he said?

Yeah.

Why is it a good thing?

Because you can't get enough of a cross strongly enough to be without hurting your cross.

You can't get it on the other side.

You can't do it.

I think you can get some of it across.

I think you've got to keep trying to get as much as you can across.

But you can't get your hopes up very high.

Well, there's no way you're going to do it.

That's right.

But I'm not going to try to go out and go on.

Like you said, do an interview.

I'm going to help you.

That's right.

What good is that salt in it?

They didn't humanize at all.

That's right.

They don't write the humanizing part.

Well, they were in the whole humanizing part.

We didn't use them.

But they don't use that.

They try to get this stuff.

It's hard news.

It makes sense.

It's not stipulated.

But you see, you go on the programs.

What the hell is what others say about you?

Of course, that's where the Kennedy Center on Austin State, they have a chorus of people saying,

And so did Johnson.

But they had people to say it to who would listen to it and then do something about it too.

They would use those little tabs.

I agree.

I believe it.

Okay, I'll see you later.

I've seen it on a small scale.

It's really kind of fascinating.

Newsreels may not carry much, but it could be the best that all could happen.

Good.

Great.

Because in New York, the bad stuff they've been able to get, apparently, is several people on the Hill who have said, yes, Holden is the son of a bitch.

But they instantly, in every case, said, because the job that he holds is one that requires a guy to be a son of a bitch, and there's no way it can be anything else.

We're getting it back from Henry Truitt.

Truitt is scared to death.

He has told Newsweek now that if they run, if they distort the story on rejecting everything that's coming in because it's all good,

They haven't been able, it's just that they keep trying to, because they keep trying to push the negatives.

They keep coming back to him on getting bad stuff and all.

I'll have no credibility to be anywhere.

And they've scoured the country.

They've been working the same, their whole force, apparently.

They can't get anything, anybody who will say anything bad.

The worst bad stuff they've been able to get, apparently, is several people on the hill

who have said, yes, Hallowen is a son of a bitch.

But they've instantly, in every case, said, because the job that he holds is everything I've gotten, and I've written an honest story, I've written the facts, and everybody else who's done the research on the other stuff from around everywhere else has gotten the same thing.

This is one that requires a guy to be a son of a bitch.

See, what they're getting is a straight-line thing that Hallowen is tough and cold, but he is totally honest and totally selfless

And what he's doing, he's doing for the, because it's what needs to be done, not for his own gain or for, there's no way it can be anything.

We're getting it back from Henry Cho, addictiveness or anything like that.

And that's, they've gotten that from the bad guys as well as the good guys, apparently.

Some of us, you know, a couple years ago, they were doing a major story on me for

time or some place.

And Truett is scared to death.

He has told Disney now that if they run, if they distort the story on the basis that they keep trying to, because they keep trying to push the negatives, they keep coming back to him on getting bad stuff and all.

I'll have no credibility, because everything I've gotten, and I've written an honest story, I've written the facts,

Everybody else saw the whole story because they couldn't get any bad stuff.

True, that's how they got this one.

That's the way it looks.

They push so hard for the stuff they can't get that they're either going to have to run it this way, which they don't want to do, write a distorted story, which they'll have real problems with, or drop it.

Then the research on the other stuff from around everywhere else has gotten the same thing.

See, what they're getting is a straight line thing, and all of it is tough and cold.

Sure.

But it is, that's, that's the whole thing.

The whole thing, nobody wants to get it across, you know.

It's tiring and so forth about this.

Got it?

Chris, you know, he's totally honest and totally selfless.

And what he's doing, he's doing because it's what needs to be done, not for his own gain or for vindictiveness or anything like that.

And they've gotten that from the bad guys as well as the good guys, apparently.

That's right.

I never do.

They will not use any of that, sorry.

Someone else, you know, a couple of years ago, they were doing a major story on me.

Had he heard about that?

He didn't know what you said?

I don't think he would have heard it if he had not said it.

If he gets a transcript of your press conference, you'd think time or someplace, and they dropped the whole story because they couldn't get any bad stuff.

Well, I don't know, but I got that for a second.

True, they said they dropped this one.

They said it's the way it looks.

They pushed so hard for the stuff they can't get that they're either going to have to run it this way, which they don't want to do, write a distorted story, which they'll have real problems with, or drop it.

He didn't read that.

I'll bet he didn't.

Well, he ought to because he's right.

Nah.

But you know, if you had Crosby noise in here, I don't think he'd agree with Dibble.

Dibble's basically got the Ray Price view.

That's the whole thing.

They want you to be respected, loved, and everything.

I don't know what the president can do.

I said, I'm not going to do any giftings and so forth about this.

God, I can't.

Chris, you know, you got a question?

I had a question.

Did you hear what I said about when I asked you a question about the elections?

I said, it appears.

What did you say?

That's right.

I never do.

I did that for John.

I asked John to be in there and say, and Christ took it out of that Negro high school.

And Christ, I don't know, worshiped through every day.

Those things don't come out in front.

They never come out.

They don't have that trade school out here in the northwest.

They will not use it in any of that stuff.

They've never come off, you know, the nursing homes.

Have you heard that he didn't know what you said?

I think I've heard it.

All for the incurable.

Poor old Dick Mark had to run with it.

God damn it.

Not all...

If he gets a transcript of your press conference, do you think he'd read it?

Well, I don't know, but I got that for a second, and he did read that.

I'll bet he'll read his transcript of the press conference.

That's the point.

Well, he ought to, because he's right.

Nah.

They don't read that bullshit.

Did you know that?

If you had Crosby noise in here, I don't think he'd agree with it that well.

Part of it is for the old folks, for the poor folks, and so forth.

We've done it since like nobody's business.

There will most of us know it in confidence.

Part of it is you see it again when you have a sailor talking to pretty cold people.

They can't.

To that it's not news, and it isn't news by God.

They want you to be.

They're all basically loved and everything.

I don't know what in Christ we could do.

I said, I'm not going to do any chemistry.

I did that for Johnson.

I asked him, John, are we in here to say in Christ?

I took it out of that Negro high school.

I said, the press wanted me to appear that way.

I said, because they like his views.

They don't like my views.

As far as that goes, I went into the black, but like I said, we didn't care about the blacks.

If you ask me, if people order this white house, what do they call it?

What do they do?

You ask me.

I said, I like it.

Because I went to school, and I played with football, and I consider it to be, this is another thing that maybe one of our people could get out of the way.

I've suggested many times to somebody, question how far out there, questions here, questions there, whatever.

I don't know that any of them get the worship three every day.

Those things don't come up.

They never come up.

You know that trade school out here in the northwest?

They've never come off, you know, the nursing homes in the ranch, all for the incurables.

Poor old Dick Mark had to run with it.

God damn it.

All these parties we do for the old folks, for the poor folks, and so forth.

We've done it since black nobody's business.

We can't make the rights.

See, if you can, it says, first you need to cross, and second, this is a good thing to do.

Because that means that, yeah, why is it a good thing?

Because you can't get enough of a cross strongly enough to be without hurting your heart.

You can't get God's on the other side because of what you're doing.

I think you gotta keep trying to get as much as you can across.

Well, correct.

But you can't get your hopes up very quickly about making sure y'all can't worry about doing it.

That's right.

But I'm not gonna try to go out and go on.

Like you said, you're willing to listen to all that in confidence.

That's right.

Part of this is, you see it again though, when you have, say we're counting two pretty cold people.

They can't.

To them, it's not news, and it isn't news, by God.

The difference with the candidates is, and I told him this, I said, I said, with the campaign, let's face it, and with Rosenbaum, he was down to face, and they, the PRC prepared him.

I said, why, of course.

I said, I said, I said, he had, the press wanted him to appear that way.

And I said, because they liked his views, they could interview him, and I said, now what the hell, this is his birthday, I can't do this.

What good did that Salton interview do?

None.

They didn't humanize him.

No, no.

That's right.

They don't write the humanizing part.

We didn't use them.

They don't use that.

They just try to get this stuff.

Our news makes some stipulations for it.

But you see, you take the, you go on the program action.

What the hell?

What others say about you, of course, that's where the Kennedy Center on Austin State, they had a chorus of people say, I mean, and so did Johnson, but they had people that liked my views.

I said, first time, I said, I went into the black, and the black said, we need to care about the blacks.

If you ask any of the people, it's fine, I'll take all of them.

I don't think they had anything to ask me.

I said, I like it.

Because I went to school with him.

I played with him all day.

But I consider it, you know, me, this is another thing, you know, that maybe it's one of the people who could get out of the way.

I've said yes many times.

I don't want to question how far out there the question is here.

Who would listen to it and then do something about it too?

I agree.

Cool.

Okay.

I'll see you later.

All right.

I don't want to let any of that get to you.

If you can, make it right.

See, if you can, it says, first, you need to cross, and second, this is a good thing to do.

Doesn't that make sense?

Yeah.

Why is it a good thing?

Because you can't get enough of it to cross.

I think you've got to keep trying to get as much as you can across.

But you can't get your hopes up very high.

But I'm not going to try to go out and go on.

Like you said, do an interview.

I'm not going to help you.

It's a perfect day out here.

It's starting.

What good did that solve to any of you?

None.

They didn't humanize at all.

That's right.

Because they don't write the humanizing part.

We didn't use them.

They don't use that.

They just try to get the stuff in.

Our news makes some stipulation for it.

But you see, you go on the program action.

What the hell are you doing?

What others say about you, of course, that's where the Kennedy Center on Austin State, they had a chorus of people say it.

I mean, and Tony Johnson.

But they had people to say it to who would listen to it and then do something about it, too.

They would use those little tips.

I agree.

We've got our people.

I believe it.

I think you're right.

Okay.

I'll see you later.