{"conversationCode":"875-004","tapeNumber":875,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-875-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-09T20:53:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-10T04:59:00.000Z","startDate":"9-Mar-1973","startTime":"3:53 PM","endDate":"9-Mar-1973","endTime":"11:59 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On March 9, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:53 pm and 11:59 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 875-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 875-4\n\nDate: March 9, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 3:53 pm and 11:59 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nUnknown people met.\n\n       Arrangements for recording\n            -Schedule\n\nThe President entered at 4:40 pm.\n\n       Recording arrangements\n\nThe President made a video recording of his highlights from \"Radio Address About the State of\nthe Union Message on Law Enforcement and Drug Abuse Prevention\" between 4:40 pm and\n4:43 pm.\n\n       Federal criminal code\n            -Revision\n                   -Penalties\n                         -Drugs\n                         -Capital punishment\n                               -Hijacking, kidnapping, terrorists\n                         -Maximum penalties\n                               -Drug pushers\n\n       Marijuana\n            -Criminalization\n\n       Announcement\n           -Arrival of helicopter\n\f                                            -10-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                                Conversation No. 875-4 (cont’d)\n\n       John T. Downey\n            -Release\n                  -President's call to William Downey\n                  -Incarceration in People’s Republic of China [PRC] compared to Vietnam\n                        -Downey’s release date\n                        -Vietnam prisoners of war [POWs] release date\n                               -Delay\n\n       Church service\n            -Invitation\n\nThe President left at 4:43 pm. Unknown people remained.\n\n       [General conversation]\n\n       Protestants compared to Catholics\n\n       Dwight D. Eisenhower\n\n       Offer of assistance\n\n       Gear\n\nThe recording was cut off at an unknown time before 11:59 pm.","filename":["875-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","[Unknown person(s)]"],"prevCode":"875-003","nextCode":"875-005","transcript":[{"start":1.56,"end":2.26,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":30.49,"end":31.33,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":56.75,"end":57.27,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":95.34,"end":95.52,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":130.02,"end":130.2,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":169.21,"end":170.77,"text":"Mr. President, Americans have the right to be free from the fear of crime."},{"start":170.79,"end":173.87,"text":"I shall soon propose a revision of the entire federal criminal code, which will give us tougher penalties against drugs and against crime."},{"start":173.89,"end":177.07,"text":"I will ask for the restoration of the death penalty for hijackers, kidnappers, terrorists, and others convicted of major federal crimes."},{"start":177.09,"end":177.63,"text":"I shall propose mandatory"},{"start":199.17,"end":200.05,"text":"new tough penalties for drug abusers."},{"start":200.07,"end":201.25,"text":"I shall continue to oppose efforts to legalize marijuana."},{"start":201.27,"end":203.68,"text":"If we fail in the battle against crime, then we fail not only ourselves, but our heritage and the future of our children."},{"start":203.69,"end":205.12,"text":"I ask all of you to join with me in the battle against crime in America."},{"start":234.41,"end":235.55,"text":"All those great news about Downey and all that, how was it?"},{"start":235.57,"end":236.03,"text":"I called his brother in."},{"start":262.54,"end":262.78,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":262.8,"end":262.98,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":290.42,"end":298.42,"text":"I don't see these people, but they do."},{"start":298.44,"end":300.14,"text":"So many reasons to catch them."},{"start":315.05,"end":315.39,"text":"We should come."},{"start":315.41,"end":315.63,"text":"Come on, sit."},{"start":443.34,"end":443.74,"text":"What's his name?"},{"start":443.76,"end":444.12,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":444.16,"end":444.78,"text":"He looks like a sailor."},{"start":444.8,"end":445.7,"text":"So, if it's a graduate, he's like a sailor."},{"start":445.72,"end":446.32,"text":"No, he's outside of the factory."},{"start":446.34,"end":446.78,"text":"He's got some of it."},{"start":446.8,"end":447.18,"text":"He's got some of it."},{"start":447.2,"end":447.64,"text":"He's got some of it."},{"start":471.18,"end":471.64,"text":"Listen, let me tell you."},{"start":471.66,"end":472.6,"text":"Anytime you've got to do this, man, hold on."},{"start":472.62,"end":473.14,"text":"I've got this stuff."},{"start":473.16,"end":473.34,"text":"You know?"},{"start":473.36,"end":474.2,"text":"Just like when I call a field, I don't know."},{"start":474.22,"end":474.52,"text":"I'm in it again."},{"start":474.54,"end":474.8,"text":"It's too easy."},{"start":474.82,"end":474.99,"text":"You know?"},{"start":475,"end":475.5,"text":"You've got to break it up."},{"start":498.3,"end":498.56,"text":"Thank you, sir."},{"start":531.83,"end":532.01,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":560.47,"end":560.65,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":560.67,"end":560.85,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":560.87,"end":561.05,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":588.82,"end":589.54,"text":"Now, I'm doing the same thing outside."},{"start":589.56,"end":590.28,"text":"It looks like it's ridden in a lot."},{"start":590.3,"end":591.22,"text":"Well, we're going to go to that place anyway."},{"start":591.24,"end":591.4,"text":"Oh, yeah."},{"start":591.42,"end":591.66,"text":"That's right."},{"start":591.68,"end":591.92,"text":"That's right."},{"start":616.54,"end":617.46,"text":"Listen, if I can do this too, I'm going to do it."},{"start":617.48,"end":618.64,"text":"It doesn't mean I can do this, but I'm going to do it."},{"start":618.66,"end":619.04,"text":"I'm going to do it."},{"start":619.06,"end":619.32,"text":"That's right."},{"start":619.36,"end":619.62,"text":"That's right."},{"start":619.64,"end":620.84,"text":"Listen, if anything I can do that, I'm going to holler at you."},{"start":620.86,"end":620.94,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":620.96,"end":621.32,"text":"I'm going to do it."},{"start":621.34,"end":621.72,"text":"I'm going to do it."},{"start":621.74,"end":622.1,"text":"I'm going to do it."},{"start":646.06,"end":646.46,"text":"You know what it is?"},{"start":646.48,"end":646.76,"text":"It's outside."},{"start":646.78,"end":647.48,"text":"It's coming to tell me something."},{"start":647.5,"end":647.9,"text":"I put the shop on it."},{"start":647.92,"end":648.24,"text":"I wouldn't mind."},{"start":648.26,"end":648.94,"text":"The one I like the most is this."},{"start":648.96,"end":649.24,"text":"The black door."},{"start":649.26,"end":649.44,"text":"These two."},{"start":649.46,"end":649.94,"text":"You know, I'm in this one."},{"start":649.96,"end":650.56,"text":"You don't see it that slow."},{"start":650.62,"end":651.16,"text":"You don't have any options."},{"start":651.18,"end":651.72,"text":"I'm going to come down 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