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Start Date: 14-Mar-1973 11:10 AM

End Date: 14-Mar-1973 12:25 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")[Unknown person(s)]

Recording Device: Oval Office

879-005a.mp3

879-005b.mp3

NARA Description:

On March 14, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:10 am to 12:25 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 879-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 879-5

Date: March 14, 1973
Time: 11:10 am-12:25 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

      Public relations
            -John D. Ehrlichman's recommendations
            -Congress
            -Henry A. Kissinger
                   -Presentation to veterans

      Veterans legislation
           -Donald E. Johnson
           -Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]
                  -Lobbying
           -Programs
                  -Vietnam veterans
                        -Meetings with President of non-VFW veterans
                             -Problems
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           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                      Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


                             -Unions
                             -Selection of participants
                                   -Blacks
                                   -Ordinary people
                 -President’s appearances
                       -Vocational educational centers
                             -Forbes Air Force Base
                                   -Topeka, KS
                       -Veterans hospitals
                       -Meeting with Jobs for Veterans group
                             -Press coverage
     -Prisoners of War [POWs]
           -Focus of attention
                 -Employment
                 -Excess
           -Opportunities

POW reception at White House
    -Date
    -H. Ross Perot
    -Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope
          -Knowledge of details
          -Perot
          -Sammy Davis, Jr.
          -Regional television [TV] dinners
          -Publicity
          -Show for President and POWs
    -Press coverage
          -Private party
          -Exploitation
    -Briefing by Haldeman
          -William P. Rogers, Kissinger
          -Wives
    -Photograph opportunity
    -Ronald L. Ziegler
    -Press coverage
          -Disadvantages
                 -Press anger at non-admittance
    -Hope
          -Work with Les Brown
                                       -5-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                      Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


           -Organization of show
                -Raquel Welch
                -Ann Margret
                -Davis
                -Attendance by President

Subcabinet
     -Briefing
           -Format
                 -General background
                 -Ehrlichman
           -President’s appearance
           -State Department

President’s schedule
      -Trader Vic’s
      -Omissions
      -Role of government speech
            -State of the Union radio addresses
      -Max M. Fisher
      -National Association of Broadcasters [NAB]
            -TV networks
                  -Station managers
                  -Conflict
                         -Clay T. (“Tom”) Whitehead
      -Attendance at Bohemian Grove
            -Rose Mary Woods
            -Secret Service
            -Press attention
            -Lowell Thomas [?]
            -Herbert C. Hoover event at Waldorf
            -Wealthy audience
                  -Raymond K. Price, Jr. [?]

POW reception at the White House
    -Ziegler
    -Press attendance
          -Entertainment
                -Hope
          -Press pool before reception
                                      -6-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                        Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


           -Private party
     -Press coverage
           -Handling of press
                 -Ziegler
     -Reception line
           -Hand shakes
           -Vulnerability to press
     -Exclusion of press
     -Receiving line
           -Early arrivals
                 -Tour of White House
           -Music
           -Organization
     -Dinner
           -Waiters
           -Music
                 -Marine Corps Band
                 -Strolling Strings of the Air Force Band
     -Entertainment

White House social events
     -Julie Nixon Eisenhower
     -Lucy A. Winchester
            -Stephen B. Bull
            -Complaints
                   -Entertainment
                   -Invitation list
            -Julie Nixon Eisenhower’s work
            -Rex W. Scouten
                   -Loyalty
            -Constance M. (Cornell) (“Connie”) Stuart

Visit by Nguyen Van Thieu
      -Accommodations
           -Cyprus shores [?]
           -Private house
           -Camp Pendleton
                 -Security
           -Demonstrations
                 -Organization by Jane Fonda
                                       -7-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                  Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


          -Camp Pendleton
                -VIP residence
                      -Staff accommodations
                            -San Clemente
          -El Toro Marine Corps Air Station
          -Camp Pendleton
                -Location
     -Demonstrations
          -Washington, DC
          -Spiro T. Agnew
          -Handling
                -Washington, DC
                -San Clemente
     -Schedule
          -Dinner
                -Mrs. Thieu
                -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon
                -William Rogers
                -Adele (Langston) Rogers
                -Foreign ministers

President’s schedule
      -Latin American trip
            -Africa
            -William Rogers’s trip
      -Thieu visit
            -Wife
            -Foreign minister
                   -William Rogers
            -William Rogers
                   -Attendance
                   -Adele Rogers
            -Kissinger
                   -Attendance
      -Thieu’s dinner for President
            -President’s lunch for Thieu
      -Mrs. Thieu
            -Mrs. Nixon
                   -William R. Codus
                   -Activities
                                             -8-

                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                               Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)



      John Ford dinner
           -President’s schedule
                 -Head table reception
                       -Size
                 -Table hopping
                 -Dress
                 -Location
                       -Beverly Hilton
                       -Century Plaza


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[Begin segment reviewed under deed of gift]

            -Mrs. Nixon’s schedule
                  -Helicopter
                  -Dress
                  -Arrangements for dinner
                  -Rita De Santis

[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]
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      President’s statements
            -Speech
                  -Substitute for press conference
                  -Ehrlichman
                  -Format
                  -Substance
                  -Preparation
                  -Cabinet meeting
                  -Effectiveness
                        -Compared with press conference

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 11:10 am.

      Delivery
           -Executive Office Building [EOB]
                                              -9-

                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                     Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                              Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)



The unknown person left at an unknown time before 12:25 pm.

      Presidential statements
            -TV press conference
                  -Compared with address to Congress
                  -Necessity
                  -Control over content
            -Address to Congress
                  -Ehrlichman’s evaluation of effect
                  -Domestic issues
                         -Crime speech
                               -Hard line [?]
                         -Vietnam

      White House staff
           -Political orientation
           -Domestic Council
                  -Advice
                  -Softness
           -Patrick J. Buchanan

      Press relations
            -Watergate, Donald H. Segretti
            -Wounded Knee incident
            -Repression and shield laws
                   -Press interest
                   -Buchanan
                   -Congressional consideration
            -Bangladesh
            -Foreign policy
                   -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] negotiations
                         -Phase III
                         -Public interest

      Congressional relations
           -Importance
           -President’s address to Congress
                 -Circumstances
                 -Topics of discussion
                                     -10-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                       Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


                -Vietnam settlement
                -Budget
                -Inflation
                -Clean environment
                -Cease-fire
                -Cambodia
                -Amnesty
           -Merit
                -Compared with TV press conference
                -Ehrlichman
                -Effectiveness with public
                -Response of Congress
                       -Applause

Press conference
      -Vietnam
            -North Vietnamese troop build-up
            -Liberal hopes
                  -Joseph W. Alsop
                  -US defeat
            -Future of South Vietnam
                  -Kissinger
                  -Public apathy
                  -North Vietnamese offensive
            -POWs [?]
            -South Vietnamese strength
            -Alsop
                  -Analysis of North Vietnamese strategy
                        -South Vietnam’s survival
                        -Use of military force
      -Domestic speech
            -Necessity
                  -Ehrlichman’s opinion
            -Scheduling

Congressional relations
     -Congressional leadership meeting
           -Pete V. Domenici’s reaction
                 -Ehrlichman’s report
           -Work with groups by White House staff
                                    -11-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                             Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                     Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


                -Chowder and Marching Society
                      -Haldeman’s meetings
                      -William E. Timmons
           -Congressional leadership meetings
                -Attendance
                      -Expansion
                            -Objections

Kissinger
      Speech
           -Work with President
           -Audience
                 -Intelligence
           -Format
                 -Text
           -Personal touch
                 -POW wives

Press conferences
      -Effectiveness
            -Effect of hiatus
            -Frequency, lulls
      -Plans
            -Alsop’s theory
            -Flexibility of format
                  -Compared with Dwight D. Eisenhower
      -Frequency
            -Danger of overexposure of President
      -President’s appearances, meetings
            -Federal womens’ awards
            -Patricia R. Hitt’s meeting with President
            -Gains
            -Meeting with John J. McCloy
                  -Value
            -Length

President’s schedule
      -Meetings
            -Value
            -Executives
                                       -12-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                                (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                       Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


           -Length
     -Saturday events for Sunday news
           -Activities
           -Announcements
                 -Publicity
                       -News stories
                       -TV coverage
                       -Sunday newspapers

Watergate
     -Problems
           -Segretti case
     -News interest
           -Amount, duration
                 -International Telephone and Telegraph [ITT] case
     -Ziegler
     -L. Patrick Gray, III
           -Testimony
           -Questions from Congress
           -Opening of Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI] raw files

President’s appearances
      -Ehrlichman
      -Veterans bill
      -Consumer protection
            -Congressional relations
            -Publicity
      -Veterans bill
            -Speech

President’s schedule
      -Activities
            -Frequency
      -Cabinet meetings
            -Congressional leaders
            -Frequency
            -Publicity
      -Domestic Council
            -Value of meetings with President
      -Cost of Living Council
                                     -13-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                              Tape Subject Log
                               (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                       Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


     -Small meetings with President
           -Value
           -Counselors
     -Cabinet meetings
           -Value
                 -Ehrlichman
           -Morale of officers
           -Camp David meetings
                 -Social events
                        -Wives
           -Subcabinet officers
           -Dinners
                 -Wives
                 -Arrangements, location
     -Finalization of schedule
     -Congressional leaders meeting
           -Value
                 -Bipartisanship
                 -Dinner
           -Bryce N. Harlow
           -Breakfast meetings
                 -Eisenhower compared with President
     -Social events
           -Theater

Watergate
     -Segretti case
           -Richard G. Kleindienst
           -Source of problems
                  -Lack of Republican support
     -John W. Dean, III
           -Invitation to testify
     -Republicans
           -Appearance of nonpartisanship
           -Public posture
           -Need for support for President
     -Kleindienst
           -Lack of support
           -Talk
                  -Ehrlichman, Dean
                                              -14-

                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                                       Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. Mar.-09)
                                                            Conversation No. 879-5 (cont’d)


            -Justice Department
                   -John N. Mitchell
                   -Kleindienst
                   -Gray

       Kissinger
             -Speech
                  -Planning
                  -Response of audience

Haldeman left at 12:25 pm.