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I wanted to clear up this matter on what we will do in the future regarding turning over FBI files, the matter that came up in

the findings did not meet with Irvin and Baker yesterday meeting at 11.30 or so this morning.

What he would like to do is tell Irvin that, yes, we're going to cooperate, but we're not going to give you raw files.

We're going to give you an evaluated report that won't be harmful to people.

Now, if that report is in any way contested as to based on what we have in the raw files, we'll make available either two

Now there's a chairman to come down and check it.

How about council?

Yes.

Council.

I agree.

I think I put .

We always have to .

That's the only way of protecting some people.

We're not going to make it available to full committee.

The present status of the files is that Gray has said that they're available for anybody on the Judiciary Committee.

What he's done is he's got two agents that have custody of the complete investigative file.

The agents... Oh, Christ, that's... Do we want to pull those back right now?

Nobody had looked at them other than the Russ that he spent six hours reading.

I wonder if that was the position of the 12th, or the original position of the Congress.

I was going to say that the standard would be that the...

I'd say the chairman would write it down, but I don't think he should say it.

All right.

Any other questions?

but then we have to protect the raw plants.

I think this is important for something that we really haven't thought about very much, and that is that it's not going to be harmful to Gray as the way Gray conducted this investigation, because Gray

is the director cannot control an investigation of the Bureau.

It's an institution that's now on trial as to how they conducted an investigation, because all of the wires that graze in those field offices look and indicate that they were to go hell bent for leather on this investigation.

So they begin immediately to impinge upon the very credibility of the Bureau itself.

And they start second guessing why they did or did not pursue a lead, why they didn't or didn't find an individual at a given point in time.

You raised a question yesterday that I .

You said, suppose they had followed up and said, would you give us a copy of the deed?

There was no report.

I would say that it was a purely oral thing.

There's no written report.

We'd be glad to give you a summary of the findings.

See my point?

That's what we're going to say in that case.

If that question is ready, be sure that Ziegler has that.

That, of course, that's what you said.

You'll be glad to answer questions and interrogatories about this that have to do with him.

Is that correct?

You've got Ziegler programmed so that he can speak.

It's very important that Ziegler in all the hands.

That's not something that's true in the stories.

Why not?

That we are often the people of God.

That's right.

That doesn't seem to break through this.

Mm-hmm.

Well, the star is covering it that way.

I will say that.

Uh, they are saying, you know, my response to the committee was, by golly, they're not hiding anything.

They're coming forward.

That's referring to my comments and press conference where I said over and over again, our hard work, I mean, anybody else who got convicted is saying, this is not a question of withholding information.

It's a question of how the information is presented.

I think that's good.

All right.

Now how about this for an idea?

Or is this too political?

to have gray now given the posture of the files and what you said yesterday have gray turn the files over to the attorney general that they can't be released excepting for his destruction and his instructions in our standing are the point of the ranking minority member of the chairman not at all the attorney general should be the fbi director should not be hoisting around himself gray did testify in the

even if volunteering all of this information, that he would be subject to the attorney general's approval.

So that's quite natural now that he, given the statement yesterday, that he turns him over to the attorney general's custody and control.

Right.

The attorney general will be very important.

Right.

As he will be this morning when he goes up to visit with Irvin and Baker.

Right.

I was quite surprised when the president said he wasn't going to send anybody out.

No one knew better than Baker from his conversation with you.

Sure.

I told him.

I told you.

I told Baker.

I said, we would have no doubt.

I said, not a lot of people would come up with formal hearings.

I said, we could have regular hearings.

I said, we could discuss the possibility of having

ended up having a chairman or any member talk.

I went to that.

I opened that up.

He said, no, we made no decision on that.

He said, I said, that's the way it was.

But I said, we would not agree to do any premises before the committee.

Now, he's trying to be a hero and play to the people here.

What the hell is the matter with him?

I think he must be off the reservation.

I'm kind of surprised that he saw me and then went off.

I don't want him to know.

I don't want him to know that I'm just, I forget that conversation that took place.

You can talk about it and so forth.

I remember it took place.

And he knows that I didn't want to lie about it.

And, oh, he didn't, of course, he didn't say it took place.

He recognizes he can't do that.

But he knew before that.

Well, Kleenex would theoretically know that that conversation took place.

No, no.

But what I'm saying is that

you or told you that he wanted Kleines to be the man who was in contact with him.

That's not true.

So Kleines can pull him up short and say, no, what in the world are you talking about?

And Kleines, though, should have known that that is all we discussed.

I'd say that would have been .

And the other thing he might consider would be the German .

But down here, right there, he said exactly what you're saying so far.

All right.

But I think what it gets around to is that what you have here is a bigger, whiter, and predictably, if you read the Washington Papers, the rest are around the social center.

They're going to be hot shots.

They'll take a hot shot here.

In the embarrassment of the administration, we have that over and over again.

It's one of those things.

I mean, there is a difference.

Well, I didn't want their name to survive the election.

Baker may not realize it, but by getting on the wrong side of this, we will destroy, and that's what his colleagues have to tell him, his chances of ever moving out of the leadership position.

We will destroy it.

He can't be told that, but, you know what I mean?

He's got the message half a slip through somewhere, sometimes.

He's just going overboard.

And his counsel, I noticed, he said that he's working hand in glove with Dad.

He's too smart for that kid.

Sure.

And they still are talking about what?

I thought you said that we were getting some information.

We have a link.

We have two links, actually.

None of them have borne any fruit yet, because apparently they haven't done much, and they haven't decided the time to really get tied in is right now.

I think the time is growing, so we know what they're doing.

We've got to find out soon what they're doing, but they're not being very helpful.

They don't want us to know what they're doing.

What I'm talking about is with regard to getting out the story, the story, and also getting the committee to agree to investigate charges against the Democratic campaign for impropriety.

So technically, we had a plan for that.

So why don't you make a speech?

That's all right.

We have the speech that's to be completed by closed visit today.

And then have Goldwater as the opening shot on it.

And then in turn after the speech,

to make it around the major streets, the time is right right now, to write Irvin a letter and say to sender that to Goldwater to write a letter and ask that he be included as a part of the hearing.

And I want to be one of the first to testify on this to set the stage.

All right.

Okay.

Goldwater agrees.

Yes, I'm sure he will.

No problem at all.

That's right.

Okay.

And the other thing, my fellow Sullivan called yesterday.

He said, I'm still preparing material.

I think you'll be interested to see what I've been able to gather and assemble.

I've gone through my memory.

I've got some notes.

I've got a few files around.

I'm putting it all together.

I said, well, just make sure it's all good and in order.

Probably, yes, we will.

I don't know, I guess I can't tell about the, the, whether it's going to, um, be honest.

Yeah, that's my one thing.

We've got to get off the defensive.

We have to broaden.

That's what I would think.

That's what it's been my feeling for some time, but I, I just think that we've got a pretty dead stop unless we just, uh,

Well, people have not been, for some reason, volunteering to us as in volunteer to the other side.

They seem to be holding together.

They've got a much tighter shot.

But as far as...

I know, for example, that even frantic paper writers try to do stuff that makes no sense.

I still think that that is something we ought to consider.

I mean, just so we have done it.

Do you get my point?

Yeah, one point.

I don't have to get such a document.

Back in the December, I did it.

Right.

And I think it opens up a bunch of problems.

I think it's something we ought to continue to review.

Let me say, we've got to get some of the problems and issues for other people, but you've got to always look at it in terms of the presidency.

And the president does not, should not appear to be hiding and not being forthcoming.

You know what I mean?

Right.

That's why I want to emphasize the fact that in our reducing to let you and others testify by not reducing the trash information, that must be, that should be the line.

You see, that should be the one we agreed for action.

Right.

Agreed.

The problem was the cover-up, not the facts.

Well, we are there.

It ought to be limited to Watergate and Segretti, which are the two things in their mandate.

Right.

Well, their mandate is broad enough to get into anything.

Right.

Maybe it's time to recirculate that and look at it again.

It's one of those things that should be reviewed and re-reviewed.

How did you have it put out first?

Well, the way I originally structured it was that Ziegler would give a statement, a summary statement, that was based on my investigation, and my investigation contained written affidavits of all the parties in interest, sworn affidavits.

You know, sort of a—it would just reflect a, uh, series of cues and answers.

So if you were to provide that to your committee, you began to put

Or maybe in response to their .

Maybe, how do you see what I mean as to how ?

Well, the thought was, when it was originally being picked around, you know, post-election, let's lay it out.

That was the thought.

I thought it was very good, and I understood it would be rejected because you thought it was old enough to be .

But there's some questions you can't answer.

Yes.

Or if you do, you've got to be .

It gets people in trouble.

I still live, though, I still live in the reflection you said, or in presidential or something, a White House statement, not presidential, which I didn't know we could go back and choose over here.

Here it is, that we have said, and people say, well, have we told, have we said something?

Well, we have.

Again, I don't, the heart of our friends' criticism of the shot is not the fact.

The heart is the cover.

What would happen is very early, before they really get their investigation too far along,

We let a fellow like Sam Dash come down here and interview a Haldeman, an Ehrlichman, a Dean, and the like.

One shot.

Maybe that's something to think about.

And say, that's it.

You ask your questions.

We'll give you the answers.

And this is why no one's going to appear.

Oh, we're going to offer that.

Well, they didn't rule that out.

No, no.

They didn't get a run for it.

They didn't come down.

The council couldn't come down.

And that's one thing.

I'm still thinking, though, of a way, rather than having the information sucked out of that way, as to whether you think there's too many questions, basically you can't answer in a statement.

That's right.

You create a series of problems that run into a whole flock of new problems that haven't even emerged yet.

Well, now in terms of the court and things and so forth, it looks like Baker has said, all right, they'll go.

I think they're going to think a little about that.

I would gather they're backing off at the Judiciary Committee level as far as .

Yeah, I think they are.

It's unfortunate that it doesn't.

That would be the wrong route.

But Irving and Baker.

I think the whole argument is and will be that he's trying to establish credibility and impartiality in the hearings.

But he's also establishing himself as saying, well, the Republicans are concerned about it as well.

What we're doing now, Dick Moore and I have been talking about this this morning, is we're so busy cleaning out daily fires that we have not really gotten

Although we've had some sessions on this, a good master plan to deal with this.

And hopefully Dick and I can just get off somewhere and kick it around four ways to Sunday.

Well, that might be a good idea.

Thank you.

And just really kick it around.

Okay, Mike.

His judgment is very good.

I don't think anybody else is in the judgment room, and I don't want to even say it in front of the rest of the jury.

But I think the measure will come down.

His judgment has been very bad on those things, as far as well as the client case.

And great, but nevertheless, I'm not sure that...

But this thing, these party members, they have no better way to do that.

The main point, as I say, we cannot have any White House presidency in the position of covering up.

Now, that is the point we've got to keep front and center.

As I say, the guilt thing, hard as it may be, that has to come.

I mean, that's going to have to come.

People are going to have to take the rap.

But you cannot have the press to take the rap on a cover-up.

You see, there is the real point.

But people thought enough of that point up front and center.

That's why I was a little concerned about what they were going to tell me about his ads around Javis, where he said, well, he probably had not been.

Yeah, I can't see any of that.

Well, they're not saying that he lied.

They're saying it was misleading.

It was a heartily phrased denial, which it was, no doubt about it.

That note you sent me from the news summary about the agent who said,

Well, I don't understand.

I appreciate the fact that the president might be annoyed about Mr. Gray.

Mr. Combox has been shown to be guilty of nothing, and here he is being bantered across the headlines as a result of turning over a wrong file.

I would say we're in a position where you're talking to this guy.

I just need some results.

I'm going to go right back so you'll understand what I'm telling you.

I'm going to get you on this.

What were you...

All the television clips last night had the forthcoming part and noted the carrier

carrying you and noting that the president had said three or four times during this press conference on these questions that they would be forthcoming.

NBC noted it.

The chancellor said it.

That helps.

Yeah, it does.

So, and it is all throughout the responses.

That's why I didn't even know television was important.

That comes through.

I have people seeing that who believe in you.

Oh, yes.

And when you say it, it's kind of

something they can't write the stories like they did in the post after my response for the last two lines.

He says, oh, yes, and he also said he would volunteer, and he answers, I asked.

A story that no one would read that far to find out what was said.

I still think we were right, and we said a lot tonight.

Fighting the law and dealing with yesterday.

Absolutely.

I raised that to be a devil's advocate.

I thought it was something we ought to consider.

But it was right, and if there's any time you can't walk out there and answer those questions, something's got to be done so you can.

Sure.

Well, I guess our most serious problem with the urban committee is not knowing what they're doing, and that's what I'm trying to solve immediately.

I'm trying to get in there so we can find out what they're up to, what they're thinking is, what the Dash is up to.

That's the only way we can handle them, is to know what they're doing, to know if Candide Journey is on our team or not, or if Baker is way off the reservation.

Ira, give me all of that.

Well, we have one question.

Yeah, what?

On the FBI files, what we're going to do is try to tell Irvin and Baker that he will make an evaluated report of the FBI investigation available.

No, I guess he wouldn't say that.

But he has a pending question as to the interpretation of whether we're going to turn over raw files or not.

And the answer to that is, we are not going to turn raw files over.

Well, but now, the answer is, I was very specific on that.

I said, Hoover always said he would never turn raw files over to a full committee.

He would, on a very special basis, allow committee chairmen and ranking members to see a file, one that was a matter of pertinent to an investigation, provided he was convinced there would be no leak.

Now that's the answer to the question that's heavy.

Restated here as the policy is that the President is very clear in his remarks in terms of how... That's right.

He did that.

The President was very clear there because they are, because leech on those fire, vials, leech on those vials, arms of some people.

That's right.

So all I have to say, if I'm asked, is gentlemen, I have nothing to add to what the president said.

He was very clear in his remarks.

Well, how should I interpret it, literally?

That's right.

Period.

Does that mean that Irvin will be able to look at them?

The remark is right there.

The chairman and the ranking minority member would be able to look at them.

Now, if you have another question, has there been any order to Gray regarding this matter?

The answer at this point is no.

I know of no order to Mr. Gray, but we are going to instruct Gray this morning that he should.

No, I don't think so.

No, I was saying that inform them.

Of course, Mr. Gray is the president, so this is a one-time exception because he was under confirmation.

And then he will revert to the previous months under which there were no leaks.

Why not?

But there have been very unfair, damaging leaks to the press.

And I detect the division as a result of these leaks.

At least I could find it.

It's what he submitted for the record that it was a combine.

There's no question that we are proceeding

The other thing is, if somebody said, well, what would the president say, will you submit the, does he raise the question of getting a report that we acknowledge was available on, I've been prepared on their investigation in Vancouver.

What about Mr. Gray's report?

The president's been interested in Mr. Gray.

The president's covered that.

Mr. Gray will furnish the information.

under direct information as requested.

That's exactly what the president, as a congressman, as chairman of the subcommittee, was asking for.

And they said, well, is there a report?

And he would say, he will publish information.

All the information is going to be reported.

He didn't make a report.

They got a written report here.

You want to say that?

I'm going to say that.

I think you've already said the report was oral.

Yeah, yeah.

And I like the other caption there, it's consistent with the policy statement of Mark Schwartz.

My best way to say nothing.

is to say the presence of the clear.

Yeah, there's a bridge line out.

Climbing's gonna meet with Urban and Baker, Urban and Baker today.

Okay, when he meets with Urban and Baker, Urban, if his pattern won't be out talking about that.

So I can say, gentlemen,

I think right about now he's probably waiting for a call from me.

So you get his call, right?

But be sure you tell him that he should know that.

Oh, I'm sorry.

The president has a record.

He told Baker that under no circumstances would there be any appearances before the committee.

Baker did that beforehand.

And we discussed the possibility of chair-runner counsel and questioning and so forth, but we did not make a decision on that.

I completely ruled out the appearance before the committee, and he knew it.

I think he should know it so that he can put it right to Baker.

Baker tries to say it.

Baker, of course, is supposed to say a goddamn thing because he's not supposed to.

And Baker would, because Baker told you.

Well, that may not be true.

What I am concerned about is that Baker may have told her that he met with me, and he may have tried to tell them to take Del White.

He said, I told him something.

All right.

I just wanted to be confident and clear that we know that if we got Baker with her to show her, we had this conversation with the old parents in the public session.

See, his theory was to have the big shots come down.

All right.

Good.

But all of the new sets.

Playlist, I don't tell them.

It's very good.

The press conference, they get it.

They use the warning light every now and then.

The Bruce announcement, of course.

The food thing on ABC extensively.

And then they wanted me to answer.

But they were not defensive.

Because the main point that I want you to get across is that we now have to say that the President is not suggesting anything.

The point that has not been added to the category, and I can say I respect your suggestion, is that this administration is not refusing to cooperate.

We cooperate with the ranger.

We cooperate with the court.

We cooperate with the FBI.

consistent with the Dr. Strauss statement.

And that, well, the answer is over.

But is that, why not?

Any questions in regards to that, would be inconsistent with that.

But we are offering the cooperation.

And that is a departure from past precedence.

Precedence, you see what I mean?

I said that, that they carry some of that on television as a complete cooperation.

We want to block the information.

The main point that you have to bear in mind on this is that our problem is not the substance of Watergate's array.

It is not the substance.

Our problem is the cover.

Now, you better remember that the main person we have to be sure that is the President and the White House

You, yourself, must come and be part of it.

We are being part of it.

They want to ask questions or not.

They go into the questions.

How did they get this information?

How were they written in their obituary and so forth?

And we worked out an information council.

That was what we did.

We just said that.

We worked out.

The president laid down the guidelines.

Those guys were all part of the information.

The president wants all the vaccine out.

All the vaccine out.

And I think he said that the vaccine out, that it will be the very, very end of the people.

No, I'm, I'm... No, no, I'm not.

Yeah.

I think I can find them without saying anything.

Mine was actually discovered yesterday after the mess.

Yeah.

And I thought about you, but you haven't come out.

You've covered this one.

You've covered us.

It's much just to keep the story running, I think.

I'd like to base it on the foundation.

I think it's... What about the clerk?

As the president said, as the president said,

Oh, yeah.

I certainly did the right thing.

Yes, sir.

You've got to take the toughness on there.

And the TV last night was good.

The presentation was good.

The TV was good.

But the TV, you see, is so much more important than some of these assholes trying to use it.

They're certain.

Absolutely.

The press, they can't blame the answers.

They respect the tech team.

Sure.

They respect the tech team.

And we've got to keep that respect alive.

They've got a feel for some of us.

I think we're going to have good stats out there.

I think I want a good story to them.

After all, it hasn't been long.

I'm trying to find good stories.

We've dominated the papers, whatever that means.

Interesting, too, that the first reactions of the wires and the star were proven as to be totally wrong.

But the networks and the morning papers all get the warning for now.

It's a mistake.

It's a real mistake.

And then the starship, and the starship, the second day, right?

All right.

Okay.

So all I have to say, if I'm asked, is gentlemen, I have nothing to add to what the president said.

He was very clear in his remarks.

Why should I interpret it literally?

Does that mean that Irving will be able to look at them?

The remark is right there.

The chairman, the chairman and the ranking minority member.

Yeah.

Would that look spelled out?

That's spelled out.

I think it's spelled out there.

I don't see it spelled out.

I think so.

You don't, right?

Then we don't have to .

Yeah, just read the answer.

It's very clear.

Particularly, I mean, now that we know that that's precisely the way we're going to proceed.

It is going to be the way we're going to proceed.

Fine.

That's better.

Then I don't have to say anything.

The client needs to go urban and vacant.

That's right.

So be it.

Now, if you have another question, has there been any order to Gray regarding this matter?

The answer at this point is no.

I know of no order to Mr. Gray, but we are going to instruct Gray this morning that he should.

No, I would say that.

Of course, Mr. Gray is the president, so this is a one-time exception because he was under confirmation.

And then we will refer to the previous months under which there were no leaks.

Why not?

But there have been very unfair, damaging leaks to the press.

And I detect the judiciary as a result of these leaks.

There is no question that we are proceeding

The other thing is this.

If somebody said, well, what would the president say, will he submit the, does he raise the question, get a report that we acknowledge was available on their investigation in Vancouver?

What about Mr. Gray's report?

The president's been interested in Mr. Gray.

The president's covered that.

Mr. Gray will furnish the information.

uh, under, uh, I read the information that you requested.

That's exactly what the president was, as a congressman, as chairman of the subcommittee, was asking for .

And they said, well, is there a report?

And we would say, we will publish information.

All the information is going to be reported.

See, he didn't mention the report, the government report here.

You want to say that?

I'm going to say that.

I think he worried because the report was oral.

Yeah, yeah.

I like the other caption there, it's consistent with the policy statement of Mark Schwartz on... My best way to say nothing.

11-4.

President was quite clear in his press conference yesterday, he should have said that, literally, period.

And then if they go beyond that, I'll just say, well, the Attorney General insisted on that policy with the committee chair, and then I have nothing more to say.

I think right about now, he's probably waiting for a call from me.

So you get to call him, right?

But be sure you tell him that he should know that.

Oh, I'm sorry.

The President has a record.

He told Baker that under no circumstances would there be any appearances before the committee.

Baker did that beforehand.

And that we would be there and he raised that we were to discuss the possibility of a chair under council and questioning and so forth.

But we did not make a decision on that.

I completely ruled out the appearance before the committee and he knew it.

I think he should know it so that he can put it right to Baker.

Baker tries to say something.

I don't want to get away with it.

Baker, of course, is supposed to say a goddamn thing because he's not supposed to back up.

And Baker would, because Baker told you.

Well, that may not be true.

What I'm concerned about is that Baker may have told her that he met with me, and he may have tried to tell her that, too.

They tell why he said I told him something.

All right.

I just wanted to be confident and clear that we know that if we got Baker over here at the shelter, we had this non-practice agreement.

The whole parents were in the public session.

None.

So his theory was to have the big shots come down.

I see you in that stand.

That's an actual verse.

You don't have twice as many people in this room.

That's true.

Is it or not?

It's true.

You better go ahead and call.

Okay.

You'll tell me.

I'll tell Ted.

All right.

Bye.

Good.

Is it good already?

I don't tell them.

It's very good.

The press conference, they .

They used the warning light every now and then.

The Bruce announcement, of course.

The food thing on ABC, extensible.

And then they wanted me to answer.

But they were not offensive.

The main point that I want you to get across and nourish yourself from is the amount of things you can say.

I said it in the panel, and I say it after the President's conference yesterday.

The point that has not been added to the category, and I can say I respect your suggestion, is that this administration is not refusing to cooperate.

We cooperate with the ranger.

We cooperate with the court.

We cooperate with the FBI.

Consistent with the March 12th statement.

And, well, the answer is over.

But is that the, why not?

Any questions in regards to that?

We are consistent with that.

But we are offering big cooperation.

And that is a departure from past precedents.

Precedents, you see what I mean?

I said that, that they carry some of that on television, big cooperation.

We want them to walk away, bring information.

The main point that you have to bear in mind is that our problem is not the substance of water getting sprayed.

It is not the substance.

Our problem is the cover.

Ah, you'd better remember that that's your country's desire to see that the money gets heard here.

The main person you have to be sure of is the President and the White House, and that you, yourself, must stop and re-economize.

We're not talking about PRP for the time being.

I'm not talking about...

So now they go into the questions.

How did they get this information?

How were they written in their obituary and so forth?

And we worked out the committee council.

That's what we did.

We just said that.

We worked out.

The president's laid down guidelines.

Those guys will make all pertinent information.

Now we're dealing with the president as well.

He wants all the facts to come out.

All the facts to come out.

I think that you said that, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,

But I want you to go around with quite a long dissertation.

No, I'm...

I don't have telegraphs today.

No, no, I don't.

I don't think you should have anything to do with those, sir.

I think I could buy a thing without saying anything.

Mine was actually a company yesterday, a professor.

Yeah.

And I go back to you, but you've got to come back.

He's covering this thing.

He's covering us.

It's much discipline.

Not to keep the story running, I think.

I'd like to base it on the foundation.

I think it's... What about the clerk?

That's it.

As the president said, that's it.

I always say, as the president said.

My advantage is that we certainly did the right thing.

Yes, sir.

And the TV last night was good.

The presentation was good.

The TV was good.

But the TV, you see, is so much more important.

That's all I'm trying to say.

Yes, sir.

Frankly, the press, they can't like the answers.

But they respect the technique.

Sure.

They respect the technique.

And we've got to keep that respect alive.

They've got a feel for some of us.

I think we're doing that.

Those guys out there.

I think I want a good story, too.

After all, it hasn't been long.

I'm just trying to find good stories.

It really dominated the frames of nature, whatever that means.

Interesting, too, that the first reactions to the wires and the star were proven as complete.

It's proven to be totally wrong.

But the networks and the marking papers all get the warning for now.

It's a mistake.

It's a real mistake.

And then the starship.

And the starship, the second day record,

Five, four, three, two...