{"conversationCode":"881-010","tapeNumber":881,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-881-010","startDateTime":"1973-03-16T21:52:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-16T22:02:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Mar-1973","startTime":"4:52 PM","endDate":"16-Mar-1973","endTime":"5:02 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Woods, Rose Mary;","description":"On March 16, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:52 pm and 5:02 pm. 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Timberlake’s daughter\n             -Letter to President\n                   -President’s answer\n                          -Situation\n                                -Husband\n                   -Leonard Garment\n                          -Answer\n                          -Violation of civil rights\n                   -Inauguration\n                          -Embarrassment\n                          -Press coverage\n                   -Timberlake’s health\n                   -Philip Timberlake, Jr.\n                          -Death\n\f                                              -36-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 881-10 (cont’d)\n\n                  -President’s answer\n\n[End segment reviewed under deed of gift]\n*****************************************************************\n\nThe President and Woods left at 5:02 pm.","filename":["881-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Woods, Rose Mary"],"prevCode":"881-009","nextCode":"881-011","transcript":[{"start":4.22,"end":8.27,"text":"I'm sure she understands."},{"start":42.08,"end":45.44,"text":"I can't, I don't know, I don't, I just don't like, I don't like that."},{"start":45.46,"end":47.86,"text":"It's too bad."},{"start":49.44,"end":51.46,"text":"Well, that's the problem, is that, yes."},{"start":51.52,"end":53.94,"text":"That's just, she has left, kept her left arm."},{"start":53.98,"end":60.43,"text":"She's the one who made the decision not to come, so she shouldn't have made them say that their rights are violated, if she didn't have them."},{"start":60.45,"end":68.23,"text":"I wonder if the Board of Councilmen, what they can do with them, if they do have an inauguration on Thursday."},{"start":108.71,"end":110.85,"text":"Listen to that sound."},{"start":110.99,"end":133.94,"text":"I didn't know about it."},{"start":133.98,"end":134.78,"text":"Did you taste?"},{"start":136.4,"end":140.25,"text":"It would be an embarrassing thing, wouldn't it?"},{"start":140.27,"end":141.07,"text":"Oh, sure."},{"start":141.29,"end":149.76,"text":"And I think the father, even if he approved of the marriage, would not impose that on you on Inauguration Day."},{"start":149.8,"end":154.62,"text":"That would have been a big hit without a lawsuit."},{"start":154.72,"end":155.42,"text":"I know that."},{"start":155.64,"end":161.47,"text":"I think that's a problem, you know."},{"start":161.59,"end":162.83,"text":"And his son has committed suicide."},{"start":163.85,"end":168.21,"text":"So you can see what a horrible tragedy it's been."},{"start":168.25,"end":174.85,"text":"So I feel for her, and I'd rather she get a little help for her to be understood."},{"start":174.93,"end":175.99,"text":"I mean, I don't know."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and his personal secretary, Rose Mary Woods, discuss the personal tragedy surrounding Philip Timberlake and his family, specifically regarding a letter sent to the President. 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