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Thank you.

I was trying to get, uh, I don't know if I can say it, but Steve kind of got my ass.

We lost the road with the car, too.

Why is it, you know, except on the basis of somebody has money, somebody's property or something,

Why don't we just regularly schedule leaders meeting every two weeks, right, to get to this mind of having to kind of make something up every week, and just have it regularly.

Wouldn't that really be a better idea?

I know I had the idea of doing it every week, but I was thinking that another Scott Fortner

No, that would be a leader's meeting every two weeks, but a bipartisan would be added in time.

Like, for example, there is going to be a bipartisan if I don't go up to the Congress, for example, that week with a bipartisan.

It really doesn't matter to us.

It does.

I just think that he, look, he was going to go on a schedule for this week.

Not all that good, really, but it's all right with the man.

following me by the institution only me.

I may do the congressional then.

And if I do the congressional then I will want to have leaders being involved.

Right?

But we're not waiting for the BIPART.

The idea is that we have BIPART and not leaders.

But I think that our leaders really, it's just worth building more in a month or two weeks than a spot for a board or a group of freshmen or a group of

But no scheduled basis.

In other words, we'll do them in half.

Well, makes sense.

Yeah.

I guess regularly every two weeks they know they're going to have one halfway.

And they will point to that sort of thing.

And they'll think that we're doing other things, too, you see.

But they won't run it too much, because I won't see them

I don't, I don't, it did really well, but the every two weeks was working pretty well with that fact that we were doing it.

Uh-huh.

And they had, uh, I don't know what, I don't know how we did, but that was good.

Of course, but now this week we'll do it, you know, every, uh, we were, we're probably not working, you know, years later on, or years later this week.

The problem with doing it every week is you really do, you scrape it up.

Yeah.

You run out of stuff to do.

I know.

So don't tell him, so he gets around the hills or run it down there, so he gets out that way.

But just schedule it every two weeks.

That's all you have to do.

We're having one this next week because we're going to be gone for a week or two weeks.

There will be none the following week.

I'll be in California for the next leaders meeting.

I think basically, uh, they did the, uh, the cabinet that

to have them more often.

I mean, I think we're very, very grateful to know that this is a great thing to happen every two weeks.

And the NFC will work in time and time.

And now that every two weeks will be basically domestic council, you see.

And then I will have to do it with my cost of living council.

I'm going to have to do it.

I'm going to have to do the labor management group, which Kevin will participate in.

There's all sorts of things like that that they'll have to see what I mean about.

And I think the cabinet, too, you're going to have sort of trouble getting the thing up.

How do you feel it should be every week?

Oh, hell no.

And the cabinet plan that he came up with was actually, I'm not going to use that.

You've got to do it every two weeks.

That basically, that takes care of problems.

So the council's reading it every two weeks.

And he had a plan he had to do.

Now, this time, apparently, we had a meeting last week.

Yesterday, you had one last week.

You didn't have one yesterday.

All right.

So now we're coming off of one this week, which is all good.

All right.

Next question now.

Do you have any leadership?

I might suggest that we show that that's where this is.

Rather than doing it on Tuesday.

I'm sorry, sir, but if people else are doing it on Thursday.

No, that's the answer.

It's on Tuesday right now.

But I still ain't willing to, but then we'll feel it there.

But if you want to try to have that, my father, every two weeks.

And I think we should do it regularly every two weeks.

And then the NSC will come every once in a while, maybe once every two weeks when I have the time.

Yeah.

That's pretty much what you have to do.

But that just doesn't work to do it on a regular basis.

That's not the right thing to do.

Yeah.

Because we are going around and around on this thing.

I did not do it.

They don't know that organization.

That is a real rally group.

The DAP, you see, it's a...

is a group of sort of malnourished kids that belong to either the Legion or the others.

And it's just not the right place to go.

Only that, I hope, and that was my preference.

Well, yeah.

Get the disabled point.

But I didn't, what I meant is, I want you to know the reason here.

I don't want them to know the reason.

I know the DAP like I am.

I've done.

And it's not the right thing to do.

That one step worse than the ant-test.

The other thing is .

He said, we do not.

But I did approve.

I approved the Russian gymnastic pack solely for the fact that I'm going to be engrossed in China before the fall series.

OK, I heard you.

I'm not really suggesting it.

Well, the other reason is we're focused on making this picture.

Yeah.

Without that Russian-style picture, nobody else will.

people there, a son or anybody like that would never get a goddamn thing.

Or Mrs. Marcus or something.

So we might have, we ought to always pick those four posts and then we'll get us a picture.

I turned down, for example, and this is my, our third policy here, uh, the, uh, the rescue council people.

You can see the lawyers that are working on, uh, working on this front of us thing.

And I'm not going to do that.

Okay.

Uh, I don't think that's right.

I, what I meant is that is not the right use of my time.

So I told the other one, I said, now, look, we've got all the options.

You've been very good.

But what I would do, what I would do on that end,

If he's got a congressman like a Domenici or a senator or four or five or six or seven like that, I would do it because that's something in it for us.

But right now, we have gone the extra mile thanking our people and saying goodbye to our people and taking pictures with our people and all the rest of it.

It's great.

I like to do it.

But I feel now we must use the time for me to think and work on the important things and getting the targets.

And, of course, the Russian gymnastic being .

That makes sense to me.

Yep.

So that's the reason I .

We .

It's like a .

We do get a .

The point was you were going to be doing a radio tape, and the thought was that having done the radio speech, you could have just logged this one in, you know, while you were taping.

I didn't think about it at all.

There was no problem.

It's not worth Japanese speech setting up for it.

I do not think it's worth, frankly, my doing as much of an advantage.

I don't mind doing it.

Let's go back to that federal design thing, because that leads to a point that it does or it doesn't.

Well, it's a question.

Do you want to try and get some credit out of this, out of what you're doing here, or don't you?

You went along with Blanahan's scheme for a lot of math, and you're all depending on the mall and all that sort of stuff.

Now, that is...

something that they're trying to push for because they think that we want to.

And they're pushing for the bicentennial.

Right.

And I'm pleased to say, frankly, much of the white officer decoration is part of that.

It seems to me that it's worth...

Worth your while, you are getting.

It's not money to keep money, but it is money, Jeff.

Maybe that's something that is worthwhile from that standpoint.

And you're leaving stuff, not because you're giving it up on Washington City, but because of the people of the country who come.

Right.

But you have to be a good adjuster.

I was thinking, frankly, at this stage, generally, I don't know if I ever called this jackassery, you know, where people say, well, something didn't produce that.

Not for an old man to buy something 100 years old.

I never bought it.

But generally speaking, it's paid to be read at the beginning of a meeting and so forth.

It's not a message.

And that's the way it is.

I agree.

I do.

Absolutely.

I think this is very, well, it's an easy way.

It's a hell of a lot better than doing a film.

Ever.

I mean, most of us,

I think we're getting into some very good shape.

You know what's been good?

The first 60 days of the second term, which is what we're almost doing now.

We did an experiment today, and there was no legally, legally, legally filled schedule.

We've come to take an action now.

That's our thing.

We've got to bring it down to 10 congressmen, senators, and a lot of our ears.

We've been here five more years, five more years than we've been here.

I think we're still a little too long.

Still a little too long.

It's a funny thing, isn't it?

It's not that it's too long, essentially.

You can't do it like today.

It might be that it's too long in the sense that it's a little bit of an issue of wearing.

You can be seen off the ball all the time.

You have to be up for everything.

You have to be able to take fire.

And others have a chance to reach you.

your thought is that we should bust it every three weeks and i was worried about doing it every two weeks out of evidence i mean it should be the normal pattern should be more than three you know it'll be depending on how the bench breaks it just break longer two or three weeks and you know again get out

So let's come back to these things.

Let's, uh, let's do the, you know, the opposite and think around it.

Let's concentrate on that Congress.

That's, that's what's needed.

But on the basis of making the targets and now and then drawing in that liberalism so that peers are working so clear.

Now and then you've got to show them that they're alike.

Chad?

If you have any, any different feelings about this, we should, we should have a plan also.

Well, you know, you have to see if it's proper guidance.

If he comes in, he should.

And if I keep it off of you, you shouldn't even bother with it or not.

I mean, I'll sit with him.

So that's why it is that he gets the general guidance.

That would help a great deal.

And when they come in, I want you to do this and that.

That's right.

All of that is Dave Parker's doing rather than Steve.

Steve brings them in after they've gone through the middle.

But actually Dave is the one that's setting that up.

I've got to find out that he came back.

We talked about it in May.

He came back and said the only time he could come would be May 1st.

Sorry.

And he went back and accepted that.

So it has been confirmed that we're on a commitment for May 1st.

We don't have to look after you, Charlie.

We don't have to look after you.

We don't have to look after you, Charlie.

That's good.

I realize it's on this mix about that.

Those guys did fine.

And I don't know to a degree.

I don't know because it's a big bore.

And it has some impact on the economy.

It does a little bit.

But it's important because it's a big issue.

Well, there's enough focus on Europe and all that.

There'll be some interest in meeting with them.

If you're still thinking about the travel thing, how do you see that then?

I don't see the option.

They say, uh, if Rogers goes to, uh, Europe, I mean, to Africa, he'll be a black man.

Uh, then the travel of Irish men could be an error.

But that isn't too bad, I mean, in the sense of the blacks.

uh, we can't do it without an admin for a lot of wires and cymbals, so I'm willing to, not here, we have a combo of any field, and that's all I can do.

So it's done.

And, uh, and it will be covered.

As a matter of fact, it will be covered fairly well because it's black.

You know, the goddamn Cleveland covers are black.

So we've done Africa then, and I've done Africa.

I've overlooked Africa.

And you've got to probably, well, you pretty much have to do Africa at some point.

For sure.

But if you're going to, it's not a bad time to do it.

In May, the water needs to start to re-serve and everything, so they serve it.

I was thinking of getting them to start a plan in that period.

So they can understand the main thing is to keep a very tight ground so that it doesn't run too long.

He'd go in and have an arrival and be at dinner that night, the next morning, and then leave and go to the next house the next day.

Right.

So you've got one night.

You probably have two nights in Ethiopia.

Ethiopia you would have.

Right.

But you do it at the end.

Do it at the end.

Right.

Well, you didn't have that in mind.

Is that correct, you could take... What am I even doing right now?

I started in the middle of the week.

I started in the middle of the week, and I'm back.

And I'll be traveling again on the day that I make the news.

And I'll be back on Monday and Tuesday.

See what I mean?

So you start in the middle of the week, and you're going to be in peace.

I think two would be pretty good.

Now, the other thing that I guess we ought to talk about is what connection we're going to do when we, uh, any travel here in the U.S.

There's something to be said that happens, I'm sorry.

We have, we must not overlook the fact that you've got a fairly

positive reception in the United States at the present time.

That is not unhelpful.

And private, you know what I mean?

Yep.

One thing we can do that is really a trip into the U.S. but might be a damn good idea on the way out to California is to stop in Topeka where they have a

Air Forces Project Transition, which is their whole thing, providing skilled training to military personnel who are going to be discharged in a vocational veteran's business.

That would be an easy stop, kind of an overhugging to be a non-veteran.

On a, right on the way out, here's your story that day.

We'd be at, stop at Forbes Air Force Base so we can look, we can open the thing so people could be there to see if he arrived and he could do a 20 minute look at the programs that have been laid out.

You're going to take your job and get back on the plane and get your role, but the main purpose is not to be stopped and accurate.

It's not what we've moved across.

We've been grounded.

You'd get some people at the Air Force, but you'd also have to go to Chicago or something.

I was trying to go to Chicago or something.

I don't know.

Well, getting to Chicago is pretty easy because there's always stuff going on there.

Yeah.

You can consider something in Chicago.

Let's see if there's any other city, though, that we haven't been to at all.

I'll go back to that.

I'm trying to see.

We go to the Air Force base.

I think a little bouncing around is great.

It's not bad.

Yeah.

I've done that to the degree it can be done, and it gives time.

You have to do it yourself, and you have to do it totally on the judgment, because I think I'm looking at polls versus television.

And it's really kind of fascinating, because if you take every poll shift,

Related to television, you have to also look at what other things may have overridden the television.

But if you look at every game in the polls related to what happened on television beforehand, and every drop in the polls related to what happened on television beforehand, and then sort out the events, you find that on press conferences, there were four daytime press conferences that were covered by television.

I said, you didn't remember at the beginning.

You did it in press conferences.

It would carry a lot of things like that.

And I'll get my name up here.

Four.

Weller, 10 in the morning.

730.

No.

In fact, that's all we need.

730.

We have one more.

Go ahead and count.

And those, one up two points, one up three, one down one, one up four.

So on a 10 basis.

You can look at those.

The first one was right at the very beginning.

Right after you did the departmental visits and things like that.

Maybe it was the visits that caused you to go out.

Maybe it was just because you were a new guy.

I know.

Now, the second one, where you went up four, does three count?

Because in the same period, you also had a nighttime press conference.

And you also had the European trip and the television coverage of the return.

Yeah, yeah, I think that was... And that was what went up, not push it up, it might be, not push it up.

Right, right.

Now, the next one after that, where you went up three, there's nothing that would have closed...

There was no television other than the press conference, and there was no event.

It was positive, but there was a negative event, which was the EC121, which may have caused you to go up on the basis that all negative events caused residents to go up.

All negative events.

Negative, that's right.

Anyway, the evening press conferences, which is the 7 o'clock, before the time.

We only had one of those.

We had two.

They were later on.

And after one of those, you went up three.

And after the other one, went up five.

One of them was in December.

Went up and went full.

Ours was gallons.

12,000 was ours.

As a matter of fact, it wasn't a gallon full at that time.

I've combined them, but I've compared ours to ours, gallons to gallons.

On the nighttime press conferences, on primetime, televised.

Went up four, down two.

Down 9.

But the down 9 isn't correct because that was after the November 3rd.

He went up 11 and then he dropped off 9.

He went down 9 after that one.

Up 2, down 6, down 1, up 6, up 1.

What it says is that they affect them as much negatively as positively if they are the effect.

The question is, are they leaving?

The one where you went up?

The one where you went up four, I think.

I think you really did go up four.

The European trip was in that, too.

The one where you went down two points was after the Midway meeting with Duke.

Yeah.

It was the other big event in that period, and that should have pushed you to go up and not down.

maybe but it went down the one where you went down nine is a reaction after the third up 11 so that doesn't yeah great the one where you went up two it was done it was done for the night first time or stuff there was no other television or anything else no event the down six

was a time where there was no other television event and where you did a lot of travel in the country.

It was after Cambodia.

It was in May or June or something.

One time you'd gone up six at the end of Cambodia.

to 61, and then it dropped six back to 55.

Maybe that was his flip phone.

At that point, it went up six.

The network entity shot me up six on that.

Yeah.

The conversation later that year went up six also.

That was a treat.

And the Howard Smith interview, which was a period where he did the Today Show, the Whitney Young General, General of Mississippi, the Eisenhower one he went down to, the Whitney Young one he went down to, and the J. Edgar Hoover one he went down to, all of them were on television then.

Well, it was the Vietnam, it was what made the Hoover you went up by, which was also after the Vietnam made speech, which made you go up by.

And what did he do when she wasn't going down?

Durson.

Durson, you're right.

Eisenhower went down, too.

Durson went down, too.

And when the young went down, went down, can't go on for the other.

But Durson.

What about the conversations?

We had three of them.

All right, the conversations, uh, that weren't tolerable for generating commentators.

The one Senator Campbell did, one earlier this time of the year, in January, was, I think they were all pretty good.

But maybe just three of them, a lot of stand-ins.

And we had three of them, and we had...

There's the one after Campo again, but we did one before that on the radio.

Okay, then I missed it.

The year, the end of the first year we did it.

But anyway, that's all right.

That's not great, you were going up.

Yeah.

I think we have a conversation next year.

Go ahead, Chris.

The first year of the trip went up four.

The Asia trip in August went up four.

That was the astronauts and the Apollo dinner and the Weldberg speech on my 10th of August.

Yes, sir.

The, uh, I'm talking about form, not domestic, right?

The, uh,

China trip 105.

Hawaii Apollo trip 103.

Well, the total evaluation stands out that press conferences are not big enough television events to change things because they don't, I mean this is pure speculation, but because there isn't

They don't change.

The polls go up and down depending on the events.

The press conference doesn't seem to make a difference.

In other words, if you have bad events and you have a press conference, the things go down.

If you have good events, the press conferences go up.

Trusts, foreign trusts, seem to change favorably.

And I would argue that that's because it's the kind of coverage that it is.

It is speeches so much as it is events, activity.

and of course, therefore, try to have domestic trips be the same thing.

In other words, domestic trips, basically, we could go ahead and freeze a bunch of out of them, uh, regional, you know, like Sioux City and all the rest.

I don't think that would help you in the end, but I think those are some of the burdens.

Here, too, we can remember all of those.

Well, you have a period where, uh, after the State of the Union in 70,

I don't recall.

And the ACW veto and the evening press conference, all of those big televisions.

Yeah.

A lot of that television you went up through.

Then you went out and made a lot of trucks and did some dinners here, a lot of activity.

And you went down 10 points.

That was my year.

And 70, the early part of 70.

Now that's, I think Bill, that was probably.

Well, there were not many, though.

The Cambodian bombs filled up after that.

But then you have to send me the reaction.

I know before.

Maybe.

Press change up to 56 million.

He did the prayer breakfast, the Indiana trip, the Chicago trip, the Hershey dinner, the Wyatt dinner, the Volunteer Army announcement, the Haute Couture visit, the National Governors Conference.

Now during that time, the news talk was there was a lot of bad Vietnam.

There was sort of skepticism on Vietnam.

Things weren't so good.

There was a lot of infusion of negative stuff on desegregation.

That was a very bad timeline.

Yeah.

Desegregation.

Yeah.

And drugs was a big thing, and the environment kick was at its height.

Yeah, we contributed to it at that point.

Do you want to remember?

And that was when Bombadil was kicked out.

That's right.

In that period, you went down 10 points.

I didn't do the combination of negative.

Oh, in that period?

In the NPD ratification, you allow a statement, the VFW dinner, the RNC dinner, the Washington Technical Institute, and my school, and an office press conference.

But you also have my way, charges, publicity, the postal strike, and Cambodian deterioration.

And you went down three more points.

And we got into cars a lot faster, and oil spills.

Sure.

But that did a little for a while, and then you went back up to .

We held the 161 right at the end, when I did it.

Yeah.

It's the way it adds up that it's, uh, it pays for the voters to go to the press conference, you know.

I think some of the spurts that, that, that, that, both of them are running out of time.

Uh, they could do it in a way where, you know, I'm going to take some old residential presences through to which you can pass a tracer.

Now and then they've got to see the man up there.

You know, their man.

He's taking on people and answering questions.

And the other thing is to take the Vietnam speeches, which you make a lot of.

It's amazing how many I really realized.

But on the Vietnam speeches, she went up one, up 11, up two, up three, down three, down four, up three, down two, up four, down two, up five.

On balance, she went up.

Those were a bunch of touches.

But they wouldn't have been the thing in this generation that we have to give you a point of view.

You see, guys, I want to point out that we've been deterrent.

We've been the Russian.

And we've done it.

We're not going to do it anymore.

And therefore, our ability to move people away from, away from the, you know, the integration of the megabits on the domestic part of your story is going to reduce us.

Well, then you look at the other kinds of things, like the burger announcement, which you went on television for.

That was the only thing on TV during that breaking period.

There was no change in the rating.

No gain, no loss.

You had the, uh, Dirk's eulogy.

That was the only thing in that period that went down, too.

You had the UN address, which was daytime.

That was the only thing in that period that went down, too.

You had daytime press conference the next period that went down, too.

Then you had November 3rd, that shot you up 11.

Then you had a nighttime press conference that went down 9.

Then you had a Vietnam announcement, and the Christmas tree thing went up 2.

Then you had a race period where you were not on television at all, and you went up 2.

Then you had the very active period, State of the Union, AGW veto at night, and the nighttime press conference, and you went up 3.

Then you had a period of no television.

But a lot of trips, dinners and stuff, went down 10.

In another period of no television, but a lot of negative, like Laos and Cambodia getting bad at the postal strike, he went down 3.

Then he went on television on the postal strike.

Then he went up 2.

Then he went out to Houston and Hawaii on the Apollo thing.

And also out of Vietnam, that's when he went up 3.

They had the Cambodia announcement that went down three.

And, uh, he had this talk, well, that was before Kent State.

Then he had the student riots in Kent State and Hickle and all of that, and went up two.

And then he had a nighttime press conference.

And also, that was three of the hard hats, and a lot of student dissent, and he went up two again.

The part that I like the highest, Dr. Cambodia, was after I got the three on one.

I'm sorry you weren't so sure.

You haven't gotten that yet, but that was the avenue of Cambodia City.

Yeah, but before that, there was another rain period where you went on to the Vietnam announcement at nighttime, and you went on to the speech and the daytime television on the economy.

Remember, you gave a daytime talk on the economic stuff, and you went down the border.

Then you had the network interview, three interviews, and Cambodia ended, and you went upstairs.

Then in the period following that, you had a 99 press conference and a fair amount of travel around the country.

You went down six.

Then you had a period of no TV, but a lot of travel in California.

And you went up one.

Then you had the Kansas State, a period where Kansas State not as scary on television in the daytime.

You went up five.

But that, I'm sure, would have nothing to do with the TV.

I don't think it did.

Then you have the next great period, you have a Vietnam announcement.

You have the Mideast, crisis in Jordan, all that.

And your European trip.

Your second European trip.

And you went up three.

Then you have the UN again.

This is for next year now.

This is a campaign.

The campaign period, the UN and the Phoenix speech was on television.

And you went down five.

Excuse me, down two.

Then you had a period, a rate period, with no television at all.

It went down five.

And then you had a period where you did an evening press conference the whole Christmas season, the Christmas tree, and a conversation, a network conversation.

It went up six.

And unemployment got bad.

Six percent of the funds we had.

Cambodia was looking bad again.

Inside, all the way downtown, no television.

Then you get the State of the Union, the nine-time State of the Union, and went up four.

Then you had a period of no television again.

But there was a big uproar in a lot of those when they were in the mid-Champaign.

The argument was being defeated, and it was one of the specter defeat periods in 73.

I was just never late enough.

So we won.

And the Des Moines trip.

And all that.

We went down 12.

We just never came back.

Sorry.

Then in the next racing group, we had a nighttime press conference.

And went down one.

But nothing happened in our last investigation.

I got to do it for about a year.

That's right.

Right in 50.

Now, there were some blips, though, in our poll.

That's what Gallup stated, 50.

But we were polling.

That was the year we did a lot of intensive polling.

Remember, we polled after everything that happened, just to kind of read things.

Okay, you look at those.

You had that little segment there where you did the Today show, the Whitney, you know, the Howard Smith thing.

But also, there was the Arden retreat.

It was...

And I'll make your news.

You went down 10.

The biggest thing that knocked you down, though, was Cali.

That knocked us dust because we pulled right up.

That was Cali was sentenced.

And we went down 10.

Then you announced Cali was free at its quarters.

And we went up 13.

Then you have another Vietnam announcement.

And you have the China ping pong team.

The China received our ping pong team.

And we went down two.

And we had a period with no television at all, one of three.

Another period with no television at all, but the China trade announcement and the start of the protest of the big veterans' protest when the Vietnam veterans were camping out there, we went down four.

You had a nighttime press conference, and then we had the massive protest.

This is May Day.

May Day protest.

Not great.

There was no change.

Then the protestors were arrested.

Remember the several and all that.

And we went up two.

Then there was a period of no television and no major events and went down three.

Then you had the Saul announcement on daytime television.

You did the LBJ library, which had a lot of coverage.

And we had the railroad strike.

And you went down two.

Then you had a nighttime press conference.

But also it's a bad economic, it's a tough economic time.

He went up six.

They had what to do.

Probably must be in early June of, uh, 79.

Maybe .

It was young first, not young first.

night-time press conference.

And then you... Yeah, and you had the race sheets in.

That was the real stuff, all right?

That's why I said we weren't... Coming out of bad economic news and all that sort of stuff.

And even so, it went up.

So it's in honors, you know.

Then you had Trish's wedding.

Massive television, but you also had to hand out papers.

And so it's a very bad cost of living.

And we had no change.

Then you had your July 4th exemption on the archives.

You know, he did that thing with the Chief Justice and the Speaker of the House.

And you also had a China, your China announcement.

But we also still had the Pentagon Papers going, and there was no change.

So you have a substantial lifetime of television.

And just as it did in the 13-3 Patricia's wedding, very positive and very good.

And it didn't change any balance.

But I would argue a balance to what was very bad.

Sure.

Kind of my favorite.

Because at that point, we lost.

The U.S. lost us.

Remember, we tried to hold the printing.

We went to court.

The judge went to court and lost us.

Then you have the August 15th innocence.

on television tonight, and one of two.

They had a period of no TV, but a lot of bussing stuff, a lot of Vietnam stuff, and no change in the poll.

Then you have the daytime speech to Congress on the economy.

You went up and made a dress switch on a session.

And then after that, you went up nighttime and announced phase two.

And as a result, I went down four.

Attica was the only major event at that time.

There was no event affecting us, sir.

except the economy, which was supposed to be good.

Then you had a nighttime announcement of the Supreme Court, when you announced you knew, you know, Powell and Rehnquist, and went down five.

And Kissinger was in China, and China was admitted to the U.N. at first, but China had too big a gunpoint.

Then you had the Pakistan, you had a period with no television, and the Pakistan Indian War had no damage in the period in the fall.

And he had a lot of television.

This was at the end of the year.

He had the Day of the Life of the President was on one network.

He had two weeks of Christmas specials on another network.

He had to do a rather interview on another network.

And he had those son-of-checks to, uh, from you to the Azores, and Keith to Skane, and, you know, the network all those guys.

And as a result of all that activity, there was no change in the fold at all.

It stayed exactly the same, 49 all-time low.

It was at the bottom of the statement.

Then you have the State of the Union on daytime television, a Vietnam announcement on nighttime.

Bad economic news and bad cost of living news in January.

And went up four.

That was the Vietnam peace proposal.

The O.C.

January 25th.

The Vietnam peace proposal went up four on that.

Then you have the China trip.

And the return went up three.

And you had the bussing, your nighttime television thing on bussing.

But at the same time, the IC&T inclined each thing.

And we went down the street.

And you had another Vietnam on us, and there was no change.

You're the one who made all this, isn't it, Joe?

We have to bear in mind, isn't it?

You know, you read the, uh, the Vietnam, you know,

That's what's interesting.

We pour out this crap beyond belief.

And every time you were on television, my major weapon, I would say, is that, generally speaking, unless it's rocket control demonstration or

Something really has beaten the gut.

Generally speaking, the domestic stuff has no effect.

The domestic TV and stuff like that, he had to say.

The foreign thing had an effect because of the thing we had in Ireland.

It's actually great.

In fact, the China announcement didn't have much, but there were negaties at that time, too.

They probably avoided negaties.

Well, that's a good analogy.

But the other thing it shows is, well, there is a television.

When you're not on it, you do tend to go down.

Does it really show that you tend to, but not as much as you would have thought it is?

No.

There's no big drops, but there's erosion.

Yeah.

But also, you've got to be up there when you say, not on television.

It isn't necessary.

We haven't yet really had much to do.

particularly can't go on, we can't go on now with the big Vietnam speeches and all that stuff.

So as far as, that's why we may have to use more, more television press conferences at night.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, I wish you could agree with that.

That's why, as a matter of fact, the use of these conferences out here are helpful because even though I argue, I correct you, even though you do, you do just get the evening news, it has quite an impact.

It has quite an impact.

Let me run through the periods where you weren't on television during a period between polls.

Look what happened.

Minus 2, minus 5, plus 2, minus 10, minus 3.

No change.

Plus 1, minus 5, minus 10, minus 1, minus 1.

Plus three, minus four.

Minus two, minus three.

No change.

Down four.

Down one.

Down four.

Up two.

No change.

Down two.

No change.

Down three.

Down five.

You're not on.

You can't go around.

Now, there's a good side of that, though, which is that

Sometimes we tend not to go home.

So maybe the reason it went down was because of something else, like whatever else was happening, Cambodia, a lot of those falling apart, things like that.

Where have you gone on top?

For example, in the best case, it was the bombing.

You know, we dropped it on that one.

And we don't have that one.

On the other hand, I could have won.

That's right.

It would have made it worse.

But it didn't accomplish the goal.

But you waited until it was time to go on, and then went on and went up 16 points.

That's right.

That's one weapon they belong to.

It's very hard.

You don't have a point to be a don.

That's where you have to stay.

You do, I mean, come to what I did, and I agree that people are interested in people.

You can't go on trying to talk about the Hispanic minority when you're doing the international monitor, et cetera.

Sure, I can't do that.

I mean, people who know about the economic species, they want to go out at night, you know, and talk about the cost of living and all that.

You can't do it unless you've got something to say, but there's like an argument for it.

The only way you can go on is if you have money.

I don't know.

The President is treated with respect and admiration.

Henry Kissinger is seen as the genius.

Bill Rogers as the blessed fool.

Laird is the devious knave.

American foreign policy received serious treatment by a respected businessman, which is to the good.

I just wish it were more focused on drugs.

Well, that's the result, frankly, of Henry's getting to it.

Henry did it.

So I just think that's what it would come out to be.

But he's not going to hurt us.

He had this, you know, from your interview and so, you know, the specifics of each of these might well look at.

You know, I mean, you know, he's starting to build himself up.

He just finds it difficult, you know, to do anything else that's not his thing.

I've done, you know, about two, just a quick scan on it.

It would come out pretty well.

And then with all the fact that you're the architect, he used the analogy that you're the architect .

I mean, major points that he sometimes crosses that he enhances himself, that he thinks up everything.

You know what I mean?

Or, you know, it's hard for Henry to get at the point that many times he's like that.

He would never, never, for example, reveal to a friend what a horrible move he would have made about announcing the bombing and that bombing scene.

Or how he would have done a and how he would have turned them around and things.

And sure, and .

But that's .

There's a reason to read it.

I don't like to read that.

It's not going to have much .