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I still don't know.

I don't know what happens when I fuck with it.

That just kills me.

These are all accountable.

Yeah, that's true.

They're accountable.

I want to repeat that.

See what the situation is on that.

Do we have a confirmation from Ron yet?

No, but I've checked up.

We've got to check Ron to knock him out of here.

Do we have something hanging out on Kanaka?

Yeah, the 30th of July.

Oh, yeah.

But I was thinking, that's good.

The problem is we're hanging out for May 1st.

May 1st, right.

Right.

Well, what week was it you were thinking would be the time that we did the algorithm?

Yes, yes, yes.

Well, we might leave in the middle of the weekend.

That's my view.

That's my thought.

Why do I wish to make the news on the weekend?

I don't know.

On the next weekend.

Let's see.

This is the Nance Center.

Okay.

Well, I have an idea that might be able to work out.

I think that instead of, as I said, since we're going to the city of Brown, we are going to the city of Brown.

You can't go to school for all to find out about that now.

Anyway, I'll let Henry go there.

It's great to move around here.

I'm going to ask him a few things.

I'm going to have to check with Henry.

He said he didn't get it done.

Check the scope up and see where we stand on the front.

Visit the date.

The status is and whether he can call up.

I can answer the text if you need to answer the date.

Okay.

What I had in mind was this.

I believe that since we will see Iran and the Italian and the other, it doesn't pose a problem for us to do this, even though we already have just a little bit.

That we ought to consider stopping in Paris for a few days.

I'll have to include it because I've been threatened.

You know, I have a long way to go.

do the Paris thing.

Rather than trying to work it out so that it often comes here.

Now, Henry's objection to that is to say obvious objection, but it can be done with NATO and other little countries.

It's true.

Most of them are not.

It doesn't really matter that much.

And we can do it before it's ever going to be made.

I'm going to call something like that and see what it means.

And he will not want to do NATO at all before we go to the

So I'd like for you to get a hold of Henry perhaps today and see what he would think of that.

Rather than for them to continue to pursue the possibility of just coming here.

I think it was a nice, I think it was a big four thing here.

And then we go for a European.

I think that's good.

Andrew, are you worried about going to Europe and not leaving the country?

Oh, sure.

What about me and that?

What about me and it between somewhere?

No place.

It's a working problem.

Oh, Christ, no.

There's nothing there.

Go right.

Go see your parents.

It doesn't make any difference.

And raise it to a State Department conscious on that sort of thing.

You just go, and then later on you go again.

You can't do every country.

I will do it that way.

They're going to be greatly concerned about only doing two countries in Africa.

Because they want you to go, you know, because they have all their own favorites and so forth and so on.

But you just do what you do.

That's what it will do.

So at least find out.

They'll put it hard, and I'll be second, so we should do it with perfection.

Now, there's other countries in Europe, as far as others are concerned, none that I agree go to any degree of protection.

You see, the Dutch wants to come, but the Dutch have got a fellow problem, and they'll never control their thing up there.

They're right.

It's the Danes.

They're not good.

The Belgians, they're the same.

Now, who else do you go see?

You just don't have to go to all of them.

That's all there is to it.

Well, she's one of the small men.

What do we, you know, finally decided on this, what's her name?

Julie Pernell.

Pernell.

Wow.

You know, you know.

What's, did you decide that it was something?

That she, she was, she wanted to get out of here.

Wanted to get out.

That she was, that was the problem.

Right.

Right here and there.

I mean, I know that there was something, there was a problem.

Or she was concerned too.

You sure?

She wanted to get out of here.

She may want to get out of here.

But because of, I still think, we see that probably so too with that sort, we better run out on that vision.

I just wanted to get out of it.

One of the ladies went, God, I can't go there.

But they did.

They're Christians and they're trying to put the whole thing together and sort it all out.

And he sort of, part of it is he's related with all these other, you know, his boys would be on the last side, but he's trying to get all that, you know, to walk into place and then make his announcement and be prepared to just follow up on the announcement.

But part of this is going to be on this big stuff.

We're going back and forth on how to do it.

At least that's what George is thinking.

John, the kid at the end of that night, when he was here, I think it was two weeks ago now, thought he was going to do it over again.

He said he was going to do it a couple weeks ago, but he had to go.

I don't know why.

He should go.

I don't think he is.

I would say, I would call to him

Yeah.

Well, we don't need that stuff.

We don't need that.

We don't need it in that person.

I mean, we have a point I should just do.

People kind of get along with their butter out here, but the main thing is he was a hell of a competent technician.

You know, when he saw, you know, on the level that she apparently has, I don't know if you see that.

What a situation in your opinion in regard to, uh, now, uh, what would you like to do with other, I know they're talking about killing, but she's going to be here next week.

What do we want in terms of other church services?

She said that we were all completely on board on the question.

She brought it up herself.

She said, I don't see what we ever have to do on weekends.

She thought that the day was perhaps a good time to plan out.

She said, we're a couple of hours and all that much work.

She said, we don't ask very much.

Julie takes a completely different attitude.

And she wasn't going to have a problem with that.

She said,

They have gotten sort of used to our being so .

Well, these things kind of depend on what we end up with on all these state dinners.

If we end up with a lot of these visits, I'm not sure you want to stack a lot more eatings in.

Yeah.

But you couldn't have anything.

Yeah, because the state, you see what now?

Wait, did you have any ideas as to who, for example, I'm going to go over some of these names of rows now so that I can see them.

I'm not quite, I'm going to be sure that Kenneth is getting the kind name I want him to get those things mentioned.

But that was pretty well done.

It is.

Come on.

That was pretty well done by really running around on stances.

keep you up.

We want to talk about it.

We can work our way down.

It would be evening service.

Worship service is not enough.

Worship service is very good for pretty much football.

Sure.

The only question I have to do, for example, the idea is now to do something, for example, for the purpose of the event, not for the purpose of the audience.

the other way you do it evening for the purpose of the audience rather than the event now maybe we're all through with those maybe we don't need one but yet we still need I think we do perhaps need to take for example a lot of political and other people there are probably a lot of names hanging out there people that are lined up

Well, in the evening,

But, you know, I mean, aside from that, we've always wanted a social event.

One week, not more than one week.

You're about, this week we were, we needed a little rest this week, right?

A little this week, and next you've got, we've got the press conference, or a conference or something.

Right.

And the following week you've got the West Coast.

Yeah.

And then the week after that you've got...

The blue line came down.

The week after that, you got it dry.

The week after that, we were keeping open because that's the week after Easter.

And the question was, do you want to take some time to the floor?

Well, it's been a great one.

I suppose for the whole week.

So the week after that would be with Ron.

And then the week after that, May 8th, we were picking up the White House.

Maybe.

But we haven't said anything.

I mean, that's just on a planning basis.

We've got to nap the naps.

You can nap the naps there.

That's not you.

That's us.

I don't want to make that up.

You should just do the drop-off.

Right.

Well, I'm not sure that it's June 18th, the week of June 18th to the week of June 11th.

And there again, whichever week it was, we were going to shoot for a fight on Thursday at the White House.

And we're still dangling the African around.

Now, if you go to Africa, we won't have the African.

We're not happy with the fall.

And to embrace the question of whether the shot can come up,

I wonder if all the after dinner entertainment for the dinners, that when you're going to have cabinet people give something at the canteen, the letterhouse, of course, gives the other people.

Yeah.

That's what they did.

I understand.

I'm not referring to eating.

I'm referring to a dinner.

They do that for the big shops that don't get to come to the dinners.

Yeah, for the foreigners.

I think that's what I was thinking.

I think, I mean, we've been doing administrative assistance, you know, assistance to the assistance to the assistance all the way through, which I think is fine.

But I think, actually, you could use that for, you know, your conference would be particularly positive.

You know, everybody did an interview, and they go to the White House for the interview.

Big deal, don't you think so?

Okay.

Well, Julia is going to be a hell of a help because she wants her to speak.

She agrees with my thought on it.

You want for you, you know, but now young people just, and maybe mainly it isn't for the young people you do it for, but the symbolism of that is for young people.

And you're going to get young people, you've got to get them down that hair point.

So you know what it means, you know, the people that work, you know, that work for the committee to realize and all that sort of thing, you know.

And also the young people in the administration, the same group, get quite a game, don't you?

Yep.

Those are the bunch of kids.

Yes, sir.

Poor men there.

They yell and holler and dance and praise them.

Also the young people's church services, which I would say is quite popular.

It depends on how the trip works.

Mondays and so forth.

Weekends, just for my own good.

So that I don't have to worry about any of these in the future.

You know, I don't know if I'm going to be set up as you've done it too, but I sometimes get caught by the White House correspondents or something like that.

I could have probably told them I wouldn't be on Saturday.

They're just, you know, they're not.

Like the radio, there's a week.

Why don't you have to go on Saturday?

That's the point that you made.

You have to realize that we don't have to get started on Saturday nights.

Anyway, quite sure if you listen to what we would like, what we mean, so last time, we will defer.

The main point is, the use of my house is just as effective as you can, ruthlessly in this, in that way.

Now, we've used a goddamn effective house.

I think in the summer, we'll knock it off.

Knock it off, maybe, because we'll be in California, and so forth, and then the fall, and then the season, and so forth.

Once a week, just go with it.

If you do it on that basis of once a week or two, you know, it's not much of a burden.

I think one great correction is when you double up, when you have one, two, three events.

In other words, you've got to do this.

If you come over to the lighthouse and you do something the next night and so forth, you've got a little bit more in person.

The thing is, you never know if it's once a week, even though you're in the middle of a hell of a difficult problem like monetary situation, or you've got to do it.

over one week is not urgent.

If you have two, get busted off.

The problem you get into is by being in the White House, you should schedule a way long ahead of time.

Now that's a problem this time.

We had a change at the last Senate, and that wasn't as good a show as we could have had, first of all.

And secondly, it was the wrong audience to a great extent for that show.

If you're going to have a country music, we should have a little bit of a competition from Kentucky.

We had quite a bit of a South Bend.

I don't think it was all, everybody we had, we had it happen.

If it wasn't, we didn't, we started.

I would rather, I said, what we, of course, saved was the last two numbers.

The last two numbers had the backpacks involved.

And the time that I made it personal.

I was afraid they were going to ignore us on Thursday, which would have gone off.

Very good question.

But, uh, and the green, the green bowtie.

Your green bowtie.

And there are my student numbers.

And the pole.

And, and the personnel.

Bonnie was standing there crying.

And, uh, uh, she was pretty, you know, over.

That, that's sort of the first one.

Bonnie, the only violence.

No, the girl was lying.

Bonnie, oh, yeah.

I mean, I, at the end, she was, oh, she was completely...

But anyway, that was no problem.

I mean,

And it's that of the people that come.

You have to realize the other thing.

It is that of the most of our people don't have any understanding of it.

It means so much to send them upstairs.

Yeah.

I say when I'm upstairs, all the flowers are out.

They went into the dining room.

They parted our house.

But nevertheless, it's a big deal.

It's a fight of the day it makes.

And he's a very sure observer.

He says, both in the church and in others, he says it may be that they become too available.

He said, of course, he's the great-grandfather.

I mean, frankly, the candidates didn't have all that much.

But boy, when they came, it was one hell of a thing for somebody to come.

Rose, for example, in eight years went through one afternoon interview.

Never two interviews.

But one afternoon interview.

But that's what we should do.

That's what we have to do as Secretary, too.

Right?

We've done more than that, I must say.

I think the staff has been there quite often.

I'm saying that there's hundreds and hundreds of children

That's why you should shift.

I don't know.

I'm just thinking that.

I'm thinking, though, that your advisor, for example, leaves the campaign with the captain in his appointment.

That would be terrible.

And I think you've got to be very careful on the upstairs thing.

Yeah, we've got it now.

I mean, now it's Pat's birthday, and she's trying to admit it.

We didn't want her to go there because she sure shouldn't.

No, sir.

But then everybody expects it.

Hell no.

I wouldn't do anymore.

The question is how much?

It's a way to use it in the evening.

I use it for something else, you can use it for something else.

I would be asking about the stag dinner.

Do we think we, would it be well for some of these miners, or some of these other financial contributors, to do a couple more of the stag dinners?

The stag dinner, incidentally, insofar as, insofar as the major contributors are concerned, the major, in the redeems,

I think better than having them back to an understood dinner with their wife and all that bullshit.

That was the eyes on our approach.

He'd stay there.

He'd meet the same guys.

It was not a bad idea.

He did fairly small until 15.

Did he fill the place up?

He didn't do 100, but he did 60.

If you're going to do 60, why the hell not do 100?

100 is perfect.

Then what he would do afterwards was go in and he'd go in and sit and talk a half hour.

He liked to get it that first, a half hour, but only a very few, which is a mistake, and I do.

Don't go in there and get three or four, then somebody else.

You always say, oh, it's the marks that come up, and that's the letdown anyway, because then you leave on a high point.

But you see, Bob, you've got your stand there, and you're kept there.

They love to talk to me.

They sure do.

It's a big deal.

And there's more they can say than I can.

Well, and there's more, like a lot of them, they say a lot of questions they want to raise and all that.

It's better to have a race with the staff than I can.

Well, like we found out from the governor's thing.

I just had to go out and make a limit.

I did have to do it, I guess.

But you get caught in a cave that you don't have to.

Well, they thought I had to.

You know, I didn't want to make a thing.

Well, I bet he's got a little time because the governor is so sensitive about it.

No more.

And we've really got that working awfully well with the dinners.

The fact that we go ahead and shake hands, but without the board against us.

God damn, that's good.

And the board against us is worn out.

And it saves time.

And then they can move.

There, what you need, though, is to have one of our people, not the chief of protocol, who won't notice us the first place,

But one of our people who knows the major financial interests, the major security and all that, he takes the responsibility for bringing them up.

You know what I mean?

You just about got that.

That's a great argument.

It's a great argument.

You bring them up.

And I mean that for a reason.

Why am I in that?

Now, what we should have, for example, is a church.

A church.

You've got to be going to church.

You need to maintain the facade of the religious observance.

Now, if that way, hey, there's one reason, uh, or, or, you know, hey, a religious observance.

We were flooring.

We were churchy flooring.

That's what church is.

You don't have to have a church service in the finals.

I'm doing it now.

Like on this day, we're going to go to church.

And it's just very hard to think about it.

And that's what I'm really just trying to say.

Which is fine.

But, you know, if you don't, and it's easier to go, it's easier to carry.

And then, see, now here's one of the services.

I thought we ought to have one.

We're reloading it off the block of the second level.

and their assistant secretaries and their wives.

But I don't think they need to be able to do anything necessarily.

I think they can come to the church until we get through.

In other words, until we get through with the national contributors, I see no reason for those people to come to the church.

I agree with that.

On the other hand, it would be easy to work some of that level into after-debt banks.

I think on those, I'm sure you know how these guys get those people into church services too.

There's another place for that.

The church doesn't seem to be a

I don't know.

Yeah.

For both churches.

Yeah, but I'd wait to do one after the other.

Later here next year or something.

We've got to do things periodically, but not in a time of concern.

And again, you say we get these.

If we get them wrong, we get them wrong.

That's pretty good.

Now, while you're talking about it,

it's more working with the Buchanan

Oh, yeah, I don't see this as a new majority.

Not at all.

I see it as a new establishment, which is to say that you want to get some educators, some columnists, some broadcasters, some editors, publishers, and people in the government that are, in the best case, I don't know,

Good.

That's the way to put it.

But it's sort of looking to the, trying to take the quota thing.

We really ought to work on a quota basis.

We've got a couple blacks and a couple Mexicans and all that.

But not just political, not just the majority.

I don't.

The new establishment people that come in.

There's no majority basis.

The wrong thing.

We should get the financial advice.

Right.

Yeah.

The same with John.

The financial advice.

I should have asked you whether you wanted to do it.

Do you think you would have talked to Henry?

Well, I haven't given him the judgment, but you've already got him called on to edit them.

About reconsidering

You know, I'm very worried about how you are.

We're going to put you in isolation in California.

I think here it would be a very sour, nasty business.

With these assholes out on the other side of that, I think a lot of people, some people, will say, well, demonstrators always hurt the demonstrators.

I'm not quite so sure.

So in this case, I'm just not so sure.

Are you sure you can find him?

Or are we crossing the bridge?

He's got a problem.

He can't meet me because they haven't talked to us about it.

And if he cancels it, we can't tell him.

But we can say that because of the great concerns he's got at home, he only spent two days.

So we're going to come and meet him.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay, good.

Well, what's the day to day?

I wanted to get a feel on the urban thing yesterday.

Did you watch that?

No.

So that had to be played.

This great constitutional lawyer.

And partisan.

Of course he's partisan.

Of course he is.

But the point this morning is, well, that's the question of the words written.

I was thinking of Jerry in the briefing, just, you know, to no comment on the thing.

There are two ways to find out who he is.

Well, maybe some walk-on.

Two ways to find out.

One way, as I see it, is to arrest people of grace.

In other words, this whole bit about dissenting the Sgt.

Lamar, one thing about a statement like that, it's a lot of, it's your day.

Now, in discussing it this morning with Herbie and Annette, with Dean, a bit more, and Dean,

There are a couple of ways to go.

One would be to take the question and say, the president has spoken on this matter.

He has made it clear that keeping in mind the doctrine of separation of power, that we have a satisfactory bridge and open constitutional gap.

But the other way around, of course, is to apply that information somewhere.

Then the question is, do we take it to the point where we say, well, obviously,

Some of Irvin's comments as constitutional lawyers would be to express a political view.

And what the president hopes is a high level approach to say is turning it into a political circus or something like that.

Too early for that.

That's probably a better way to put it.

These are suggestions that I've made this morning.

You see, there's a time to do this, but it's too early to start drawing a sword on Irvin.

Yeah.

I mean, until it becomes

Well, the political service thing, so everybody has seen it, and everybody's stirred up about it.

But for us to say it's a political service thing, you build it up.

My own hunch is to say the, I don't think, I mean, this is, there's not, frankly, there's not a good rule about, you know, some of the rules.

We have a ballot on the Senate of your state.

The President has shown a position, you know, a position that they, you know,

The White House will fully cooperate with the hearing.

First, all information provided is not violating the principle of separation of powers.

President is obligated to the Constitutional Code.

Senator is there.

And the President of the state is.

Senator of the state is.

And I'm not afraid to say it.

And should I make the point that you said that you wouldn't have had this tested by the Supreme Court?

I wouldn't have hit that again.

You said that.

I mean, that's... Then if they ask, what would you do?

Well, of course, the President of the state had that tested.

The president's position has not changed as long as the senator agrees.

That's all.

But let us have a sentence.

Let us not miss the essential fact.

This is not a case of the White House refusing to cooperate.

It is not a case, as has been the case so often in the past, of the White House refusing to break information.

I mean, this is a policy of

I think that's the way I would put it.

So I'd be better for Kansas for the purpose of getting out the fact that there is a big cooperating, that RCA isn't in line, is what is cooperating.

Unless there's cross-examination, that's bullshit.

What are we going to do?

We're actually more versus us.

Yeah, that's a matter of, well, that's a matter of .

But Irvin, basically, is a very hard .

You see, I think growing the story to the other, it's too early to say that, because they're really commenting upon what he said on the face of the name.

It's true what he said on the face of the name.

I just bring it up.

Well, there's nothing to do with it.

It's something we restated.

He's restated his position.

Which is, let me emphasize again, what a complete cooperation, but consistent with the President's Constitutional law, we have to uphold the principles of our own powers.

I keep hammering this.

I've heard it.

You've been riding on a big car.

Don't say exactly the truth.

I understand that.

I'll continue to write it that way.

I'll just say it that way.

Thank you.

It's their media, obviously, and Congress in the same way.

There's some of them that are fascinated and give some kind of interesting feedback that could build the greatest test of, you know, the executive versus the local assembly.

What else?

Is it ethical?

Why would your answer, they say, well, I'm not planning to testify, but I know she doesn't support that.

I'm sure it's a very good or a hard argument.

What do you say?

Well, Adam is a...

It's totally different because he had been charged with...

He was... What's that?

So these people are...

I don't think they're being charged with a crime.

Okay.

If you use that in this, then they'll charge you with a crime, and then what do you say?

What I said the other day in response to Adams was simply to say, look, I'm not going to attempt to parallel the two situations.

The facts are out there.

You can make your own conclusions.

But my planning, I haven't done the substantive thing, because then they can drill in with that.

But I suppose that's the place I should probably go.

He testified to talk about his involvement in this.

The ship was sensitive.

He went up on IG&T.

He also, he didn't go up on, since he did that, he probably read the Fender's on it for a private discussion on the thing he went up on was IG&T.

About the advice?

About the advice.

Yeah.

Can't that be criminal?

If he went over to the ITP, we all know.

We all know.

Well, they'll probably do both.

See, they've got a lot of ground to plow, I would say.

I would say, well, I think tomorrow we're going to have to wait and see.

I read it, but I don't understand it.

I do agree with my view that we don't crack urban discernment as everybody else in the country.

No, we were just coming up with various things.

John's opinion was very strongly that what he did is a restatement of our position, that we're losing that.

That's what we're losing.

No, because urban was more dramatic.

Irvin comes on and makes a picture of one of us on the jail, and that's a hell of a figure.

The doctrine of separation of power.

That's what the people saw.

I just want to say, the idea of total cooperation.

And not only total cooperation, but there has been total cooperation in the past with the...

aids to bring in a man who does not have a cure, the central fact that this administration is not correct, is totally the wrong way, and has a cover-up for the best possible future consistent with what the President's constitutional responsibility is.

I'll put it that way.

We must not allow the sort of sensational, dramatic hearings to obscure the central weapon.

This administration is not here.

This administration is not here to cooperate.

The central weapon is the administration.

It has cooperated and is cooperating and has offered total cooperation

Including, for example, ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to go over the way of the committee member, the committee and their counsel, to the example of the FBI files in this case.

The most extensive FBI investigation in one of my years.

I'm going to try to get there in two seconds.

Okay.

All right.

Very well.

Somebody said John D. Hiding in the White House grounds while we're on the carpet.

That's Eddie.

Okay.

On the IT team, I think I'm just going to comment that on the SEC or something.

I think that's something to look at.

Justice Department.

I didn't get a chance to read it this morning.

I wasn't.

The SEC signed a lot of ITT's.

Apparently the report was 34 cases of files or something that were involved with the discussion that took place at the time of the ITT antitrust suit.

And there was an SEC the SEC subpoenaed them and there's an SEC summary of the

those files, which was turned over to the congressional committee, which has now been leaked, and the question is whether or not they release that today.

But it weaves this whole thing about Bagman and Connolly and Peterson and so forth having had contact with...

Yes, they have.

That's right.

That's the whole story.

What are some of the things going on?

I said that I would...

I think you were...

Well, I cut them off whenever I want.

I don't mind doing that.

The times that they've extended...

If you look at the end result is that the story carries the line and it doesn't shift the other way.

I'll do it.

When I hit it, don't hesitate to try to cut it off.

See if the other thing, when I make 40-something minutes.

I think this, let me put it this way.

It's out there, for example.

We've lost these bastards.

We've got to get rid of them.

My objective is to get off there as quickly as possible.

Thank you.

So you get your story across, right?

Yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm going to go ahead and keep trying.

I'm going to keep trying.

Oh, you're absolutely right.

Of course, you're going to have to deal with it.

I'm going to have to deal with it.

Thank you.

All right.

Okay.

So you get your story across, right?

Yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm going to go ahead and keep trying.

90% of the time, they get their story in the first 10 minutes.

Most of them are going to get out in five minutes.

Except one dirty son of a bitch, like, multiple times.

He's got a son of a bitch asleep.

He wants to go out.

And we get a lot of dirty roots involved.

Oh, you're absolutely right.

Of course, you're going to have to deal with it.

I'm going to have to deal with it.

Thank you.

All right.

What the hell, you can't use me every day all night, can you?

I said I can't go on this.

No, you'll have to use me every night.

I'm sure you'll have to use me every night.

It occurred to me, I don't suppose anybody thought of it, that maybe the Broody office and so forth could get out this theme of cooperation.

Okay.

I think this will proceed.

Yes, sir.

I mean, somebody.

Yeah.

There's been a whole lot of good people around, but I'm not sure that anybody sort of takes the responsibility for saying, all right, all of a sudden, look at this.

Where are we going?

And yet, I realize how hard it is.

I'm referring to this issue as much as I know of others.

We just better take our risks and have them come.

Because if we keep them out, that's too big a struggle.

So that the assholes come by on the basis of having them come for the energy.

Ron says that can easily then keep them away from the DOW instead of saying cover it without, and then be told we're respecting the guy's rights to come and have a little coffee.

Yeah, I have a question.

And he says when you do that, I don't know, I don't know.

I don't know.

And it may be, after all, with that kind of partnership, it may be that we will all die.

I think we're going to be in a state of hope and calling.

I'm just thinking about hope this is going to be worth it.

What will be, and I think what ought to be the procedure there, ought to be the dinner.

You go through the dinner.

You finish the dinner.

And you should give a toast to the POWs.

And then one should respond.

And I think that's what you ought to let be covered by television.

Because Flynn's response to your toast and a man's response to Flynn's response is going to be the thing we get the most from of the people.

The whole show is worth a damn, you know what I'm saying?

So you get a bunch of Ross Tomato, Blair Music, Bob Hope, those small-collar jokes.

That's about it.

Hope isn't able to do the straight line very well.

It's embarrassing.

He feels it, and he dares it out in his own way, but he isn't.

He's a little bit of a cheater, you know.

He isn't the guy to do it, and he feels he gets so far out of character, but he has to put a gag in the middle of it.

He can't go by just, oh, Hagrid.

Why does he put a... Well, Hagrid is just straight on.

I mean, that's his sovereign trait.

It's just the opposite.

His is playing straight out.

What the hell with the guy on welfare?

What the hell with the guy that doesn't like the country?

He has those America Lovers that are leaving cinders all over his bus.

I mean, what is the situation?

It's like if you give David a dope on my Jenny White's book, I, uh, I was, uh, when he said he would tell somebody, if I want to cover a couple things, I don't know what I'm doing.

I don't know what I'm doing.

I was wondering if maybe it was too much to ask for a new conference.

I was wondering if this would be better for you.

I don't know, I think, I think it's, let's ask them, let's ask Glenn.

I've mentioned a couple of others.

What did they say?

If I can't think of a piece of the subject, I don't know.

In the first place, you guys should have a foot in the rock.

That's the only thing I wonder, so that you may have something.

Let the wives do a magic deal on it, maybe.

The wires are kind of like being pulled in for a meeting.

But they're all clear.

The wires aren't too clear.

And then let the wives, we can set up something else for the wives.

You know, have a nice tea over at the State Department in that beautiful room up there.

So I'll see all that furniture.

And they love that.

You know, we've really done a hell of a job covering everybody.

Through the four years.

Five years, four years.

Oh, yeah.

We've covered it.

Nobody's seen it.

I don't think anybody's ever done it.

Nobody's ever made the kind of effort to cover the range that we have here.

But that's what we should be doing.

I'm all for that.

I think that doesn't add much, if you say it doesn't add one bit to the presidency in terms of popularity or whatever the hell it is.

But it's part of the job that the country needs to have.

We need to have a union state.

We need to have that now.

That connection, I'm still looking for only one job.

I don't quite

You can't have a motorcade.

I don't want to have a motorcade.

Let me tell you what I had in mind about how long it is.

I intended to come back and go to Florida for those days, because there's about an 80% better chance of good weather in Florida around the first day of the winter.

It's a beautiful sun.

The water is so beautiful.

Yeah, it's going to be a little nasty.

It's going to be nasty out west, too.

Well, probably as long as we're ready for it.

Good.

But nasty out west, you mean everything's been crumbled up?

Is this going to be, yeah, they're gene-funded.

They're having a thing where they're going to camp on the beach and all that.

We're going to have to just set up a...

and just a basic security thing.

Fortunately, it's not each season, so we aren't getting into any conflicting with normal people type of problems.

But part of the reason we're in a camp, I don't know, the neighbors all came up all the time.

All for that, all for ours.

And they'll go up to the Capistrano State Park or something and try to walk down.

I think this is working awfully well because the bad stuff is starting to come out, but it's coming out in a...

It's bad against the North Vietnamese, but these guys are still very positive.

Okay.

Well, these guys, not the Meecy.

Well, the Meecy guys, there's some of them that got intercepted.

The entire tank got destroyed.

We know that.

They're AWOLs and all.

That's what we've got.

The other guys are obviously determined to turn it on.

Are they?

There's a...

I sent her a conspiracy in that group.

It is a conspiracy.

It's a determination that they're not going to let the thing get screwed up.

And they're obviously got to do a smart enough and determined enough that they'll succeed.

I think they will.

The key is for us to leave them alone.

That's right.

Not for all of them.

And for those of you who don't know me, I'm just tempered in this group.

Oh yeah, those guys have got their own pitch and they've got their own money.

I mean, those guys, they sat in those cells and they, well, they got away from the world for seven years, five years, six years, and they come back and see a world at this point, something by God, they're going to make the world over.

They're saying America is a better place now than when they left because we're turning to patriotism.

They're seeing it through their own glasses in a sense too.

And they're talking about what they did in prison.

They sent a signal on Sunday and then they all said the Lord's Prayer or something together.

And then they prayed for and expressed their allegiance to their flag and their president.

And, you know, I mean, it's just...

When did they do that?

In prison.

This was...

This is one of the guys talking about life in prison over the last... over the years.

And there's a lot of things, a lot of things that really come through, which is... You know, we... Oh, I just want to wonder, wonder... You know, we were always talking about the definitive story of Vietnam and so forth.

I guess you guys and Robert Thompson and Henry, obviously, didn't follow up on that.

But, uh...

But with that, we'll have to do it outside.

You're going to do it, right?

Well, Robert, well, he won't because he's so personal.

He'll write a good story, but it won't be about me.

I want to get Robert Thompson in on that.

Would you tell him?

I'd like for him to know that I was a goddamn president.

I would be writing a sequel to this book.

Can we get that going?

Because here at that point, he's gone now.

He's just going to say that, Frank, if you want to write a sequel, we'll be glad to work with you on it.

Fair enough.

What brought that forth was that I, you know, we were wondering about, and he didn't, he didn't get it.

He turned it off.

Now he looks, you know.

What I meant is that Henry is, I think, in that sort of, in another world in the present time where he's trying to save those that cover his left flank.

And he therefore is not too keen, am I?

I'm just sensing this on, yeah, on, you know, having somebody get out and say, well, the bombing work and all that sort of thing.

The decisions were important.

It is, it's just a little confused, I think.

But those hags that are, he had his hair down.

He felt very deep, and he was really ready to leave.

He thought he would stay with us, even if we wanted to.

But he really, I think, it was disillusioned.

He had seen Henry before, but what happened in that bombing period?

He said, after Henry, after hurting, he was trying to recover his left flank, and then when it was time to be a brother, it's excessive switch.

and then attack people who knew that he covered himself with a gun.

Which was exactly what happened.

What I was going to say is that every week, one of the people who came around and said, we're going to call it, we're going to call it.

At least that's what we're going to do.

We've got to do it.

We're on the defense of the bombing and so forth and so on.

We've got to do something about it.

I'm sure they don't realize this, or they may, but you obviously are seeing it, and I see it.

I can tell.

I'm just, when I put a seat through the field, and they said, we didn't know that story.

The field doesn't know it.

And you don't know how many of them said, thank God for the presence of Satan and the bomb.

We wouldn't be there unless we got it out.

Absolutely.

You're great, Sharon.

That's the story.

That's what I mean.

Sometimes, maybe, well, conventional wisdom has changed on that.

I mean, it's as if, oh, yeah, I think you,

you find out that the overall assumption is that now, the thing that still hasn't changed, and we don't have out yet, out of your league, Sapphire Racing, for instance, you know, there's something that can be done right there.

First of all, he said that when he started, he said, oh, the bombing decision in December, I said, the only story I have is that there wasn't any bombing decision in December.

The December bombing was the main decision.

It was suspended when it appeared that they were going to go into serious conflict.

When they were going, not appeared, they actually were.

And then when they went into serious conflict, there was a decision.

The decision was on the 52nd.

And I made that over the objections of everybody.

The disaster bomb, the decision was the character of the bomb, which he said the other was a different kind of bomb.

And I said, that's absolutely right.

It was with 52s instead of with the others, with the armed groups.

But it wasn't then what they still talk about, a carpet bomb.

It was still military targets.

It was not only that's what they were after, but that's what they got.

And even that's not conventional, is it?

Because they're making the point that a lot of them are dealing with somebody who's also a steward.

I find that Nixon's in a tough position now because he has issued a draft, or issued a warning, that he may get called on.

And if he gets called, he has no option but to carry through.

Which you can't talk any more than you do, because he has no, and this is on subject, this is a case of, this syndrome is going, and he has no basis, no legal basis now on which to do it.

In other words, he originally was going for Johnson, so he's not going to talk, and that's not a good deal.

Nixon was going on defending the prisoners in our troops, and the prisoners in the troops would be out, so there's nobody left to defend them.

So on what grounds?

can't resale, for instance, resale a bomb here, do other things, probably won't have to invest again.

But if they call this law, and give them, then he does something, but then he's got a problem.

And he's got a further problem in that in December, he destroyed all the military targets in that way.

So there's not a collective bond, except what he was a genius of doing in December.

Now, which is to go back and get a bond with that exclusive facility, that exclusive facility in Canada.

They got to be told out.

Maybe they don't believe it.

They don't believe it.

That's it.

That's all there is to it.

Most people question the December bombing.

And we include them here in the government.

And they're like all of our friends.

Most people question the question of the latest ground.

First, one question only.

The other big question is a question on the ground that they did not recognize.

Well, we'll just let things go.

Plus the question for the attack that

or some character tactic because it was, no, because they misdivided.

I mean, they were going on the, on the press created impression that what you had done is a sin, an unprecedented thing to demolish our Vietnam, our capital, which you didn't do.

Of course, the October and September bombing, they were...

The May bombing, they were hitting the Sunday in the Dynasties.

And here, they were hitting the Sunday in the prison camps.

Prison camps, hospitals, yeah.

But the prison camps were taking such a...

In the prison camps, they were cheering.

So they were...

This was Canada.

But we've gone far, people, from the other thing.

Apart from what?

all these people raising questions about their character and mind, it wasn't necessary to do that.

As far as the average person is concerned, he swore it, period.

Not because of what we have said, we didn't say it very well, or anything at all, but because of what the other guys have said.

That's just the way it works.

We never did that.

You see, Henry's ambivalence on that really hurt, because of this fact that he kept constantly saying he would not judge our beliefs.

to judge the others that he isn't going to say, and always leaving the impression that the settlement creates objections.

And then that made it impossible for him, after it succeeded, to say that it was done, that it was one of the major reasons to run about the settlement, you see.

So you can't edit any of Henry's stuff, which I've heard.

I'm way overshading.

No, I'm way overshading.

And it's obviously something that is, it is quite that, but it's standing here.

The point is the president was on the, after Cambodia, was at the point of, you know, you get the impression that you were sitting over here.

I mean, Jesus, what have we done now?

And Henry came and said, it's all right, Mr. President.

It's all working out fine.

Which is, of course, exactly the opposite.

And Henry came fluttering around and calling that asshole bird in to save the nation from the college students.

Well, that's what I told Henry.

You know what I kept saying?

I had to calm him down.

And he was out there in the park talking to that idiot who was serving himself to death.

Sure.

Oh, but he... Well, that was a total disgrace.

You think that part would take such things on?

He loved it.

I think he should.

He would come in with all his warnings, you know, and never, never did this.

I mean, it was always a question of whether or not he'd bump him up.

And the bombing, I think, was something like that.

He might show you some of Henry's frenetic messages from Paris, and let him vote him directly, you know, just before the bombing.

Or he might just tell him,

Where are you?

It's not like what he did to Brandon.

It's not like he did anything in terms of his own role, which I understand.

He just killed himself.

But God have, this was not the time for him to take on Roberts and Blair.

Not the time for him to do it.

And he obviously was done that.

No one's that far.

Yeah, he said that he had to knock him down.

He had to try to put on a united front and so forth.

I do agree, yes.

And Brandon makes a nice decision.

It was a good combination.

It is a good combination.

And we're pointing out, like you said, that the pressure comes through the broncher.

It's a pleasant pull.

That's not good.

And it's not ours, but it can.

It does.

It can.

Boy, that's a famous injury record.

Do you think Henry believes that?

You might be honest with me.

Probably.

I think Henry is very capable of self-delusion.

I think he really believes, probably, that he didn't do it.

Because I think when he comes in, he comes in and lies to me, and then I catch him in the lie.

Like he says, I never saw Scottie Russell.

I never talked to Scottie Russell.

I said, well, I bet you didn't.

He said, well, yes, but it was just the one phone call when he talked about the auto or something.

And, uh...

Now, you know, Henry was on the wall on these two columns.

He was playing in the State Department when he was in.

My uncle was banging around on that arrested column, you know, a couple weeks ago.

Arrested column.

I forgot who someone else is.

That talked about it.

Stuff that had been in Henry's staff changes and all that.

He says these were very bad.

I'm like, well, now I know.

He met with Rustin on that one.

He met with Dylan.

He wouldn't tell me.

But it came out in another conversation on something else.

And I said, no, wait a minute.

You talked to Rustin.

He said, well, that was on something else.

And he realized he'd walked into it again.

But he...

That kind of thing where he follows himself.

I think in the substantive stuff, he has damn solid integrity.

He takes a position.

He articulates it well.

He follows it well.

Develops it and all that.

On a personal level, I don't think it's a lack of integrity.

I don't think he's purposely... Oh, you're on the right.

Yeah, it is.

It's a self-illusion kind of a thing.

where he left, like the Ferran Fallaci interview or whatever it was, where he said he didn't say it.

And then Haig said, Henry, did she have a tape recorder?

And he said, yes.

And Haig just laughed.

He said, well, how do you say you didn't say it?

She can prove it.

Henry was all about, you know, he said, take action, all kinds of stuff.

I think that if I did it in Sapphire, I would go to the other side.

Because the other one could do a little popping to say, well, I don't know whether I hate love.

Okay.

Well, you can.

Like, for example, they can't vote anything.

You recall that thing perhaps better than anybody.

Because he'd come in to see you before he came to see me, or he didn't.

Right?

You and Henry and I are the only ones that are comfortable with the goddamn thing.

Sure.

And then they, he must take credit for that.

Now, he does deserve credit for coming back, but I think it was the military who came up with it.

Remember the issue?

Henry was panicking because Henry said, you know, you have to select one of ten choices.

You either have to go ahead with the Soviet summit and not bomb, or you have to bomb and cancel the Soviet summit.

You must cancel it.

And he could never understand until we finally went through that and asked him to come.

He could never understand the argument that I had raised before with him and that you raised with him.

But why did we cancel the summit?

Why don't we just do the bombing and see if they cancel the summit?

No, we have to cancel it ourselves.

We have to take the first action.

We can't be in the position of their canceling the summit on us.

Well, Connelly got that one.

And Connelly was the one that changed her.

Nobody else was there.

Connelly changed.

I didn't do anything.

He, Connelly, changed.

We raised him twice.

Connelly, I'm sorry.

When did your instruction approach that?

I don't know.

Then Henry came up with the mining and bombing a different kind of approach.

He came up with just mining, I guess.

Henry said it has to be mining and bombing.

He said, oh, yes, of course, and agreed with the bombing.

He wanted surgery for bombing.

Then he went to bombing.

ports if we could get the ships out.

That was his idea.

The money was to give a warning if you're trying to get the ships out.

So he had not for the effect actually on their capability, but for the effect on their...

He was always trying to make them blink as he could.

And he was always convinced that if we just

The manager served on all that and so forth.

On that cracker, you had to give him a hell of a shot, which you forged.

He was a gradual escalation, which Johnson was.

That was what was going on.

If you think the one thing that was wrong with Vietnam, what it was was gradual escalation.

Any time, anywhere in Vietnam, someone had jumped ahead as you thought you did, you could have ended it.

The reason we couldn't do it earlier, though, you have to realize, I also thought, why didn't we do that much earlier?

First of all, the military and, of course, Henry had a phobia about losing the B-52 now.

And, boy, the B-52 names, there's no question on the border that I did.

Because I know that they can't, you know, they can't.

I said, well, you've got to put it right before.

I said, you have to use the B-52s.

And I said, get the goddamn things over.

The day after Christmas, I can also tell them, Henry, one of them,

But we should limit the strikes.

And I know that was the important thing.

And that was another very important thing.

And that's what broke the back.

But we only got a little of that out.

But that's not a little of a chapter or verse of what Henry was doing.

And let him scream.

And you should also let him know.

You should also let him know, Henry, that he doesn't personally know how much he needs to pass up.

But you should let him know he's not the president.

Nobody knows this, but he has a very relative memory.

And he always, he's got a total record of everything he's ever said.

I think he doesn't let it go, but I take it every day.

I tell him to do it every day, but I don't.

I've got that in there.

I haven't told you.

I've got that actually.

We were going through that.

When was it?

December, yeah.

Oh, about.

We made the point that

And I had a record because he was going through a revisionist period there, too.

Be careful, because there was a totally inaccurate record on all this.

But you know, they can't believe it.

That is the biggest fraud of all.

They eat there.

They eat in the state.

And we put the herd name on it.

It's practically a herd name on it.

It wasn't easy, I agree.

But my God, after we made that decision, you know, I was the toughest on the bench.

And I kept saying, get in there.

I went over to the Pentagon and said, they were only going to the four areas.

I said, go to all the areas.

And they said, well, I don't know.

I said, take them all.

I said, you know, go home.

Sure.

We kept going, kept going, kept going.

And he should not do that to keep on the entry in twice a day to keep him on the offensive on the public, public religion side.

Well, I had to keep rewriting that thing because the regard to the group was all the time.

Yeah.

All the time.

Which I got a little slogan on earlier when I was meeting with Tom.

And again, it shows that John was not so tied down.

He got so pretty in his public appearances.

I mean, did I mention to you when we commissioned this account?

I mentioned to him, oh, I can't believe that I had to every day write, which I did.

I did the PR stuff.

Finally, you know, Harlow got into it.

That's it.

My clients got into it.

And they all did a goddamn good job.

You got into it younger every day.

You'll be sitting there every day.

We rewrite those things.

We get a company of writers.

We get a company of animals as writers.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

And I said, that is totally, totally, you know, 15 tons of air.

That's 900 million doses of heroin.

That's $50,000.

That's $30,000.

That's 900 million doses of heroin.

I've actually written a talking paper, which means four and a half doses for every one of those guys in the United States.

That's what that all was.

That means something.

We got out a little in our conversation with the guys.

So now you do get a little high.

Now you get a little less.

The thing is that, that's why I wonder sometimes that maybe, maybe we don't have a situation here where all the companies, Ziegler, or, well, Gergen, that bunch over there, or Canada, all these people, or, there's a bunch that comes down to, how do you do something about it?

Everything should be examined with that in mind.

They should do that.

I'm early, but you can really do it on the domestic side.

You can really do it on the domestic side.

Henry is capable of it.

You know, one thing on that, and I think it's rather interesting, is the way that his team did that.

You know, we were kind of quite a bit on the house where he bombed out.

They did bomb up.

Or would you agree?

I don't think it hurt.

When I had it in terms of leave, I was trying to be a real smack in the whole world and be mad at the listeners.

Yeah, it's over.

Then it just turned out that way.

This is intellectual.

It's exactly what it is.

You put a radical memory, particularly in terms of substances, unquestionably, absolutely unquestionably.

It's very problematic.

No, I don't think so.

That's how I read it.

Before I got to the point, I better get back on it.

There's an excerpt in the Sunday Subway magazine.

Oh, yeah.

It's from Brandon's book on this year.

It's from his reading yesterday.

Oh, yeah.

He didn't have that.

I saw all the people read it.

Oh, he kept it in his head.

I think it's displeased out of him.

He had kept this all down there.

He can't go to it.

Jesus Christ.

You want to talk about that, then I'll find this for a speech.

And afterwards.

Huh?

And afterwards.

Oh, when they can't say anything?

Yeah.

We would have heard that in the White House.

That's what you meant?

Yeah.

Maybe we ought to... Re-examine.

Reassure.

And he thought that guy hurt him completely down the left field.

I forgot that.

I thought it was, I mean, I don't know.

I saw it.

That was the ear of his ear.

Sapphire, it'll make it sell.

That's another thing.

Yeah, we have some, but it'll make it controversial.

And it'll, uh, it'll, uh, in that time, in fact, well, you go ahead, if you will, and, you know, I want you to tell, I want you to put out, I mean, if I hold, I mean, if I hold, I mean, if I hold,

How do we keep the ship together here on this side?

We've got to find out that we didn't have a whole lot of help.

In fact, one of the unsigned ships was out hitting.

And I'm not sure if we're going to put a little pig in there.

But he was just like a rock.

I can't believe we're doing that.

Let me ask you one question.

What about the disposal of the surplus campaign?

George Bush raised that again, and I'm really confused about it.

I just want to be sure we understand that I don't intend to have to go to any state committees or on candidates.

We will select them, and we will pick up bills.

And let me say one other thing.

We are not going to say put a million dollars in California or a million dollars in New York.

You understand?

The big state, the way you can find that, it just doesn't work.

What I have in mind is whatever funds we have is going to be used on places right across the country.

Nothing more for the big states than another one.

So nothing more for one district than another.

You're very part of the business, and so the target base is picking up certain advertising.

As a matter of fact, it's really, it's really, I mean, I think we should stay out of it for a second.

Yeah, go ahead.

Mr. George, Mr. George, you, if George has no, you have no reason to do that.

Well, whenever it's raining with you, you just tell him that.

We've talked about it before, and we'll talk about it again later.

In the meantime, they haven't got any.

They aren't going to get any hold on it anyway.

The stand has got the money.

The committee has got the money.

And then we work out a scheme whereby the committee will announce it at a certain time.

You know, it's been did and have.

You know, everybody's...

They know there's some money there that everybody wants to...

and you're trying to get an endorsement to maintain that position, not on money, but on the president's concern and interest in the candidates.

And they're shifting.

I don't know if you saw this in the history of Bush today, but they made the point that he's changing the emphasis of the committee from the grassroots organization game to the selection of candidates and development of good candidates and making sure they win it.

organization that has been a loser for years now.

You know, an ethnic committee, and a baba committee, and a deadhead committee, and a gay women's committee, and a youth committee, and all that sort of thing.

It is referred to.

Only that is referred to.

Agreed.

Yep.

Especially the national committee can't organize it.

The grassroots, only a county committee can.

Even there, you've got even a campaign committee.

Yep.

So let's get right into the candidate thing.

Well, it's supposed to be because I have a problem with the law and all that.

Well, but he, all he wants is to say, well, if you want Rumsfeld to do it, go ahead and do this, tell him to do it.

Well, we can't tell Anderson that until Rumsfeld decides.

Now, he's the guy that's the dog that made you here.

Rumsfeld has been told.

He says he's going to make up his mind in the fall.

Right.

So maybe what you do is tell Anderson we're going to take hands on it.

We want a little funding for a lot.

And we'll decide in the fall or something like that.

I don't want to get any primaries.

I don't want to get any.

I think we've got to take that decision.

We're not going to get the primaries.

What you want to do is create the primaries.

You want to get the candidates so far out front that there is the primaries.

Of course you can get the primaries.

That's the deal there.

But if we get the right guy and move him, we don't have to have a primary.

That's right.

The primary will do it later.

No, we're still going back and forth on the Senate governor.

How about your...

Plato, and all that sort of thing, and Hegel, and the great intellectuals, etc.

He said, I'm just under working.

I think it's rather exciting.

But one of the magazines did this week, too, and read everything.

He said that rather than handing over to us an olive branch, Hegel is, and I guess he sees the whirlwind coming from Texas through the whole olive duty at the time, which is what he did.

Instead of, you know, subtly unskillful, kind of doing a little bit of what he saw going on.

That was kind of ludicrous.

He did it on an unbalanced basis.

And therefore unbelievable.

Nobody believes that.

They all look at it and say, you know, he's just trying to win us over.

He's going to win them over.

But I would be very disturbed if it's very danceable, but some are insane.

He's got a shock body that has discovered the Republicans in the South, and more of a comment in there, right?

Which is that Greg didn't say both.

He probably did say both, but some of them are gone.

They're all gone.

That's all the problem here.

I'm told some people talk, too.

But nevertheless...

He's the counsel.

That's right.

So he's got to be very careful.

Regarding the speech, I didn't see what happened.

You are the leader.

I would if you would feel comfortable and able to go up and do it as a talk to the American people

The Congress sitting there, and if you did it without a meeting or without an office, you could go up and look up and look into the manned camera a good part of the time instead of having to look at the floor.

I don't know whether you can do that, but that's pretty hard to do up at night.

Or with a camera.

I don't know whether you can do that.

Ignore Teddy Kennedy and Roman Orozco and all of them.

It would be very useful if you just gave a domestic catalog of what we've been doing for people.

Yeah.

And calling upon people, congressmen, which is one line.

Uh-huh.

That's a loser.

Absolute loser.

Agreed.

Yeah.

Well, they can call for me in response to that.

They can call me for judgment on this.

Well, you're going to call me for judgment, but I mean it.

I'm saying, the domestic catalog calling upon the Congress to be responsible for that catalog is a use of it.

Inclusive.

The other option, of course, is to have a night press conference.

When you realize you have a night press conference, what will happen is that I'll say five minutes, and I'll say, first, why do you want me to go to the water game?

Probably.

You may later.

I'm not sure.

It's hard to judge.

I don't think you're at an evil interest level where you want to go now.

I don't think the people give a shit.

Why do they?

It's the continuing media effort to keep the thing banged up there.

Now they may, never mind.

Why are people going to get concerned over the extent people have to testify in Congress?

They won't be concerned if you send up Rick, if you send up the state senator, if you cooperate.

That's the point.

If you say no, we won't talk.

No, no.

But if you say yes, we will.

The press can't go along with us on that because then they lose the drama of the story of the giant confrontation between the president and the Congress, which is what they're trying to do about it.

The other thing I wouldn't completely rule out is you going on the straight television talk without going to conference.

Right here.

Yeah.

And then reading.

You do what you do.

Waiting in here doesn't really bother me as much as it does.

No.

But if you're talking to the Congress, it's a different matter, you see.

If I read it here, what I would hope you could do is open with a little unread stuff or something, and then all those are very definitely closed with an unread.

Where you just put the paper down, you look up the Eisenhower takeoff devices, and finish it on a straight person-to-person note.

You can do that in a lot of ways more effectively here because you can do it in a low voice.

If you're speaking in the hall, you have your voice told.

It has to be different.

It has to be the command of Congress.

That's the point.

Well, there's no way.

No human being can stand on a platform in a room full of 500 or 1,000 people.

Or 10,000 or whatever, and talk in the same voice that you are.

Most people can't do it at a desk, even a microphone, either.

Most people, when they get a microphone, think they have to shout it.

And you've developed, as Roosevelt did, a microphone technique that works fine here.

If you can't do it, I don't think you should try it when you're on a podium.

The argument about voting for Congress is raised now.

I guess the big plus is this battle between the president and the congressman gets played out.

There's something to be gained not from making the Congress happy, which I think they are going to do anyway, but for the country it shows

And it sort of reassures the people.

People get maybe read and hear

But there's this pitched battle.

You know, the congressmen are all infuriated and all that.

Workers that come in, they are a little confused.

You're going to have to get one hell of a reception in the Congress.

They can't afford none, too, because they know where you stand in the country.

And that has a certain reassuring effect, maybe, on the people.

Their government isn't becoming a part of it.

You know, that arrogant president who's thrown down a gun and sent to hell with the Congress.

In the comments of that interview, they're reaching for people.

They're reaching for people.

I think because of the way the Watergate stuff is built up, that I would come down to the press conference as of now is probably what would seem right this moment, at least to me, the least desirable of the three groups.

Which means I'm going to be able to do the press conference in some time, and I don't have to let it ride through the big hearings in Watergate.

I'm sure as hell not going to do it then.

I may argue that it's better to get one done then.

But you don't have to do it.

Tell me how else you have to do it.

My point is, I will not build these things here.

They have their effect behind me.

They're really helpful on a cross.

And nobody can say you're not having press conferences or that you're hiding in press conferences.

Press conferences, but I need to go ahead and carry those on if they want to.

I'm sure they can.

But they can't because we don't give any of those.

Another possibility is, of course, to, which I, which I know you forgot, another possibility in terms of the press conference is to do it basically at the, if you ever get noticed for a press conference, you should do it at noon.

I wouldn't rule that out, and none of us

But I wouldn't rule that out, actually.

You see what I mean?

There is a way.

You don't have to do that.

It's the kind of response that they just need.

Sometimes you'd rather have various levels of response.

You don't have to go with the bait gun every time.

Sometimes you may want to just take a rifle.

It gets a much bigger audience.

Dead out.

You're sort of leaning to the congressional side.

Well, this wasn't, you know, if you put it that way.

And when is this going to be done?

What about the South Park's deadline?

I should have given something to Paul here, but does he have a...

He's getting down to it now, trying to finish things up.

I'd like to finish.

What I'd like to do is to

Thank you.

Be like, oh my God.

But I'd be in the start of something very interesting if you have to.

Sapphire must be smart enough to, you know, despite his Jewish bias, he's got no, he's got no as a Jew, perhaps even more.

Henry's also doing shots on this guy.

I think that's why he, see, that, that,

From what I've seen,

Basically, what I did is I ran his description in the front of the book.

He says, as long as you're in the Oval Office and come here, he's in good hands.

He has respect for you, yeah.

I do this too.

But I also know that he's over and out of work with the policy market and all the other stuff.

You also know he's a Jew.

I ran the issue.

I did that.

up there.

It's a hell of a hell.

Because I don't have to sweat that much.

It's just, I just thought about it after I've done it.

I go to work and say, I spent three quarters of an hour reading those goddamn lists and trying to remember this and that and the other way around.

They come to me the same time.

I'm like, let's be glad you didn't break those guys and so and so and so and so.

Now I'll be done.

So now I'll kill the weird thing I did when I was a kid.

That's how I remember it from the boyhood.

Give you the time.

Let's go ahead and do it.

but it really is a pleasure to have a guy that goes through those things.

Thank you.

Just to be in that damn house.

Agreed, Ms. Jackson?

The people to whom that distinction comes up are the people who get in all the time and shouldn't be there at all.

I mean, to the- Dr. Burns.

Yeah, Dr. Burns, he cares about being the one and not to another.

No, Arthur doesn't, Arthur doesn't say he wants to be all of them, he wants to be Scott and Dale.

They have to be, they've got to be always there.

The types that get to too many.

Yeah, they get to very, very .

Looks like the spring made it in.

Thank you.

I'll start working on the speech when I'm out of it.

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you there.