{"conversationCode":"884-021","tapeNumber":884,"conversationNumber":21,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-884-021","startDateTime":"1973-03-20T20:19:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-20T20:26:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Mar-1973","startTime":"3:19 PM","endDate":"20-Mar-1973","endTime":"3:26 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 20, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:19 pm and 3:26 pm. 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Ehrlichman\n\f                                               -44-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 884-21 (cont’d)\n\n             -Counselors\n             -Haldeman, Ehrlichman\n             -Carlos Sanz de Santamaria\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 3:26 pm.","filename":["884-021.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"884-020","nextCode":"884-022","transcript":[{"start":1.01,"end":3.31,"text":"We'll just make that 10 minutes."},{"start":3.37,"end":4.25,"text":"Well, I hate that."},{"start":4.27,"end":6.05,"text":"That's all I can do."},{"start":6.13,"end":10.6,"text":"I can't be bothered having that meeting that soon."},{"start":10.64,"end":14.12,"text":"That's what I have to do."},{"start":14.66,"end":16.8,"text":"Why is it they don't want to start on the 21st?"},{"start":17.3,"end":19.68,"text":"So it's recommended that you do this on Thursday."},{"start":22.36,"end":23.12,"text":"What a motivation, sir."},{"start":23.14,"end":24.43,"text":"Especially here."},{"start":24.46,"end":27.83,"text":"It's going to be a nice cooperation."},{"start":27.95,"end":29.71,"text":"I'm sure you can't go, but if you do, you know that."},{"start":50.95,"end":51.4,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":51.44,"end":52,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":52.04,"end":52.76,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":52.8,"end":54.1,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":85.06,"end":93.2,"text":"should really do with this 10 minute courtesy call by the co-chairman and treasurer of the Newly Formed Citizens Committee for Citizens Control of Federal Spain."},{"start":93.26,"end":97.36,"text":"Deputy Governor Packer, James O'Zone, and Lynette Burns."},{"start":97.41,"end":99.99,"text":"This gives me a courtesy call tomorrow at 12 noon."},{"start":100.01,"end":100.99,"text":"You're the officer."},{"start":101.01,"end":101.83,"text":"10 minutes max."},{"start":101.87,"end":112.53,"text":"Do you want to hold this question in May, sir?"},{"start":116.11,"end":117.19,"text":"I'll do this thing."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull reviewed the President’s upcoming schedule to manage meeting durations and logistics. Key discussions focused on limiting a courtesy call from the Citizens for Control of Federal Spending to ten minutes and coordinating the timing of other appointments, including sessions with George H.W. Bush and staff counselors. The President ultimately decided to proceed with the courtesy call, while Bull advised on the scheduling of additional administrative meetings.","topics":["Presidential scheduling","Citizens for Control of Federal Spending","Time management","White House administration"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:07:58.980Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-scheduling","citizens-for-control-of-federal-spending","time-management","white-house-administration"],"audioDurationSec":151,"audioFiles":[{"file":"884-021.mp3","bytes":882688,"durationSec":150.97,"bitrate":46773,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:55.445Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/884-021.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/884-021","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/884/conversation-884-021","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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