{"conversationCode":"885-004","tapeNumber":885,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-885-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-20T22:40:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-20T22:45:00.000Z","startDate":"20-Mar-1973","startTime":"5:40 PM","endDate":"20-Mar-1973","endTime":"5:45 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 20, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 5:40 pm and 5:45 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 885-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 885-4\n\nDate: March 20, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 5:40 pm and 5:45 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\f                                            -12-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                          Conversation No. 885-3 (cont’d)\n\n       President's meeting with Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft\n\nBull left before 5:45 pm.","filename":["885-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"885-003","nextCode":"885-005","transcript":[{"start":0.71,"end":2.93,"text":"Did you see it, uh, the town of Skopel, the name of the place?"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his aide Stephen B. Bull in the Oval Office to briefly discuss geographical or situational details concerning a specific location identified as Skopel. The exchange appears to be a follow-up inquiry regarding information or correspondence the President had previously reviewed. No major policy decisions were reached during this short interaction before Bull’s departure.","topics":["Skopel","Presidential correspondence","White House operations","Oval Office meeting"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:08:46.371Z"},"topicSlugs":["skopel","presidential-correspondence","white-house-operations","oval-office-meeting"],"audioDurationSec":10,"audioFiles":[{"file":"885-004.mp3","bytes":53248,"durationSec":9.8,"bitrate":43467,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.068Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:55.654Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/885-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/885-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/885/conversation-885-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}