{"conversationCode":"886-004","tapeNumber":886,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-886-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-21T13:24:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-21T13:27:00.000Z","startDate":"21-Mar-1973","startTime":"8:24 AM","endDate":"21-Mar-1973","endTime":"8:27 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.);","description":"On March 21, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:24 am to 8:27 am. 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Scowcroft.\n\n       Vietnam\n            -Prisoners of war [POW] release\n                  -Timing\n                  -Departure from Hanoi\n                  -Troop withdrawals\n                        -Transportation capabilities\n                        -Timing\n                  -Timing\n                  -Laos\n                        -Delays\n                        -Troop withdrawals\n\nScowcroft left at 8:27 am.","filename":["886-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.)"],"prevCode":"886-003","nextCode":"886-005","transcript":[{"start":0.51,"end":22.85,"text":"I would prefer to put it in terms of I prefer to have the last group come out basically on a"},{"start":30.47,"end":31.57,"text":"26th, our day."},{"start":32.17,"end":34.73,"text":"On our day, the 26th?"},{"start":35.05,"end":36.77,"text":"How would that be?"},{"start":36.84,"end":39.8,"text":"That would be the 27th, early on the 27th."},{"start":44.84,"end":52.28,"text":"They've usually been picking them up in Hanoi about noon, which is about midnight the day before."},{"start":57.84,"end":58.84,"text":"Do you live with all of them?"},{"start":60.54,"end":69.31,"text":"So we have between five and six thousand."},{"start":69.77,"end":72.57,"text":"We can get them out with the lift we have in three days."},{"start":73.53,"end":75.51,"text":"Three days it will take us to get them out."},{"start":76.17,"end":89.07,"text":"They have offered all the money that would be the 24th, Saturday the 24th."},{"start":94.67,"end":103.91,"text":"And into the early morning hours of the 25th."},{"start":103.93,"end":108.13,"text":"Again, except for those 9 in Laos, who they would say would be out another 28."},{"start":108.17,"end":115.55,"text":"Well, they're just waiting."},{"start":116.11,"end":120.03,"text":"They're waiting for Laos."},{"start":120.05,"end":120.97,"text":"Well, that's the last..."},{"start":121.97,"end":123.89,"text":"They've been kind of playing footsie with those."},{"start":124.99,"end":128.07,"text":"In Laos, anyway."},{"start":132.21,"end":141.12,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":142.28,"end":143.84,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":144.86,"end":145.1,"text":"Good."},{"start":153.53,"end":155.37,"text":"Can't make any blitzes on that."},{"start":156.13,"end":156.29,"text":"Good."},{"start":156.31,"end":156.63,"text":"Okay."},{"start":157.27,"end":157.49,"text":"Perfect."},{"start":157.95,"end":158.89,"text":"That's the sound position."},{"start":159.29,"end":159.79,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":160.55,"end":161.41,"text":"And that's the worst."},{"start":161.49,"end":162.91,"text":"Oh, there's that one, too."},{"start":163.07,"end":163.67,"text":"Sorry, too."},{"start":164.68,"end":166.44,"text":"In terms of what we're calling it, yes, it is."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and General Brent Scowcroft discussed the logistical logistics and timing for the final release of American prisoners of war from Hanoi and the subsequent withdrawal of U.S. troops. They analyzed transportation capabilities, confirming that the remaining five to six thousand personnel could be evacuated within three days. The conversation also addressed concerns regarding delays in the release of prisoners held in Laos, which the two men attributed to North Vietnamese stalling tactics.","topics":["Vietnam War","POW release","Military withdrawal","Laos","Logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:09:33.274Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","pow-release","military-withdrawal","laos","logistics"],"audioDurationSec":171,"audioFiles":[{"file":"886-004.mp3","bytes":1071104,"durationSec":171.37,"bitrate":50000,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:00.697Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:55.843Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/886-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/886-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/886/conversation-886-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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