{"conversationCode":"887-004","tapeNumber":887,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-887-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-22T13:01:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-22T13:44:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Mar-1973","startTime":"8:01 AM","endDate":"22-Mar-1973","endTime":"8:44 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:01 am and 8:44 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 887-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 887-4\n\nDate: March 22, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:01 am and 8:44 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       Briefing for subcabinet officers\n             -Participants\n                   -Number\n             -William P. Rogers\n                   -Arrival\n             -Press coverage\n             -Agenda\n                   -Budget\n                         -Taxes\n                   -Rogers on foreign policy\n             -Purpose\n                   -Speeches\n\f                                               -3-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                          Conversation No. 887-4 (cont’d)\n\n                   -“Therapy”\n                   -Rogers\n                   -Budget\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 8:44 am.","filename":["887-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"887-003","nextCode":"887-005","transcript":[{"start":28.7,"end":48.62,"text":"They're going to go over the whole"},{"start":64.12,"end":65.34,"text":"These people are not going to make speeches."},{"start":65.46,"end":67.78,"text":"What is the purpose of this?"},{"start":67.82,"end":70.62,"text":"This is, I think, a pure therapy."},{"start":70.64,"end":72.56,"text":"I think it's primarily a therapy interview."},{"start":73.22,"end":75.5,"text":"The subcaptain members will be having contact."},{"start":75.52,"end":84.15,"text":"They're not arresting the sergeant by the studio."},{"start":84.21,"end":85.55,"text":"The subcaptain will be."},{"start":131.52,"end":131.8,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull discussed the logistics and strategic purpose of an upcoming briefing for subcabinet officers. The primary goal of the session was identified as a form of \"therapy\" for the attendees rather than a forum for substantive policy speeches. They addressed necessary coordination efforts, including the involvement of Secretary of State William P. Rogers, press coverage arrangements, and the structure of the agenda regarding budget and tax matters.","topics":["Subcabinet briefing","Administrative logistics","Therapy session","William P. Rogers","Budgetary policy","Executive communications"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:11:29.208Z"},"topicSlugs":["subcabinet-briefing","administrative-logistics","therapy-session","william-p-rogers","budgetary-policy","executive-communications"],"audioDurationSec":138,"audioFiles":[{"file":"887-004.mp3","bytes":841728,"durationSec":137.93,"bitrate":48819,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.068Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:56.127Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/887-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/887-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/887/conversation-887-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}