{"conversationCode":"887-005","tapeNumber":887,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-887-005","startDateTime":"1973-03-22T15:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-22T16:02:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Mar-1973","startTime":"10:59 AM","endDate":"22-Mar-1973","endTime":"11:02 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.);","description":"On March 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Gen. Brent G. Scowcroft met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:59 am and 11:02 am. 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Kissinger's reaction\n            -Pathet Lao\n            -Southern Laos\n            -Psychological effects\n            -Transfer of information\n            -Pathet Lao\n            -Obligations\n            -Delay\n            -Telecommunications\n                  -Embassy\n                  -Cable\n                  -Transfer of information\n\nScowcroft left at an unknown time before 11:02 am.","filename":["887-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Scowcroft, Brent G. (Gen.)"],"prevCode":"887-004","nextCode":"887-006","transcript":[{"start":5.57,"end":15.35,"text":"The only key would be one carrier, which is probably now starting to come back up to the Philippines."},{"start":17.29,"end":20.51,"text":"The defense had asked the 24-hour notice before."},{"start":23.74,"end":24.72,"text":"Why don't you get that reaction?"},{"start":35.2,"end":55.11,"text":"And I thought it would have any particular psychological effect."},{"start":60.35,"end":62.03,"text":"Well, suppose I pass this on to him."},{"start":62.13,"end":65.05,"text":"I don't think that the path of love part is really there."},{"start":65.07,"end":69.13,"text":"Well, the path of love part, if he wants to read this, it's a very assertive one."},{"start":69.19,"end":73.23,"text":"You see, the point is, the path of love part does have a sense of the day."},{"start":74.14,"end":74.54,"text":"That's right."},{"start":74.64,"end":77.1,"text":"It does in that case."},{"start":77.26,"end":82.22,"text":"And it's another indication of foot dragging on there."},{"start":82.66,"end":82.98,"text":"That's right."},{"start":83.02,"end":83.42,"text":"That's right."},{"start":83.56,"end":84.04,"text":"That's right."},{"start":113.18,"end":115.54,"text":"Well, it's just an open line."},{"start":115.56,"end":119.67,"text":"It's just an open line, so no, I don't want to do that, but I do."},{"start":119.69,"end":127.17,"text":"You've had communications with the agency, and I'll... Well, you could have talked to him."},{"start":127.19,"end":128.55,"text":"Well, I'll send him to you."},{"start":128.61,"end":131.9,"text":"Okay, but we can get him out of here as soon as possible."},{"start":131.91,"end":132.16,"text":"Oh, okay."},{"start":132.18,"end":139.46,"text":"I would like to get out of here as soon as possible."},{"start":139.48,"end":141.76,"text":"It might be a good reason to get another call."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and General Brent Scowcroft discussed the strategic deployment of an aircraft carrier to the Philippines and the potential psychological impact of this move following the Vietnam settlement. They analyzed reports of North Vietnamese foot-dragging, specifically regarding Pathet Lao activity in Southern Laos, and deliberated on the effectiveness of existing communication channels. Nixon instructed Scowcroft to coordinate with Henry Kissinger to address these developments and evaluate the Defense Department's notification requirements.","topics":["Vietnam settlement","Aircraft carrier deployment","Pathet Lao","Laos","Henry Kissinger","National security policy","Military communications"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:11:35.076Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-settlement","aircraft-carrier-deployment","pathet-lao","laos","henry-kissinger","national-security-policy","military-communications"],"audioDurationSec":162,"audioFiles":[{"file":"887-005.mp3","bytes":991232,"durationSec":162.19,"bitrate":48893,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.069Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/887-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/887-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/887/conversation-887-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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