{"conversationCode":"887-010","tapeNumber":887,"conversationNumber":10,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-887-010","startDateTime":"1973-03-22T17:12:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-22T17:27:00.000Z","startDate":"22-Mar-1973","startTime":"12:12 PM","endDate":"22-Mar-1973","endTime":"12:27 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Shafer, Raymond P.; Shepard, Geoffrey C.; Cole, Kenneth R., Jr.; Brill, Henry; Cooney, Jane; Galvin, Charles O.; Howard, John A.; Seevers, Maurice H.; Underleider, J. Thomas; Ware, Mitchell; Farnsworth, Dona L.;","description":"On March 22, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Raymond P. Shafer, Geoffrey C. Shepard, Kenneth R. Cole, Jr., Henry Brill, Jane Cooney, Charles O. Galvin, John A. Howard, Maurice H. Seevers, J. Thomas Underleider, Mitchell Ware, and Dona L. Farnsworth met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:12 pm to 12:27 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 887-010 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 887-10\n\f                                            -17-\n\n                  NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 887-10 (cont’d)\n\nDate: March 22, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 12:12 pm and 12:27 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Raymond P. Shafer, Dana L. Farnsworth, Henry Brill, Joan Cooney,\nCharles O. Galvin, John A. Howard, Maurice H. Seevers, J. Thomas Ungerleider, Mitchell Ware,\nKenneth R. Cole, Jr. and Geoffrey C. Shepard. The White House photographer was present at the\nbeginning of the meeting.\n\n       Introductions\n             -Cooney\n             -Farnsworth\n                    -Vice chairman\n             -Ungerleider\n                    -University of California, Los Angeles [UCLA]\n             -Seevers\n                    -University of Michigan\n             -Galvin\n                    -Southern Methodist Law School\n             -Howard\n                    -Illinois\n             -Ware\n                    -Illinois\n             -Brill\n                    -New York\n             -Distinguished group\n\n       Photographs\n            -Arrangements\n\n       National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse\n            -Work\n            -Expenditures\n            -First report\n            -Final report\n                   -Deadline\n            -Efficiency\n            -Final report\n                   -Value\n            -Gratitude of President\n\f                                        -18-\n\n             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                     Conversation No. 887-10 (cont’d)\n\n             -Appreciation of Commission\n        -Drug abuse\n             -Marijuana use\n                    -Penalties\n             -Controversy of Commission\n             -Value of work\n                    -President’s view\n                    -Congress’ view\n                    -Study of drugs and alcohol\n                          -Further research\n        -Scope of work\n        -Proposals\n             -White House policies\n             -Private sector involvement\n        -Drug abuse\n             -Impact on nation\n             -Dependency\n             -Press coverage\n                    -Public service announcement\n             -Information\n        -Report for President\n             -Reading\n\nPresidential gifts\n      -Cufflinks\n            -Flags\n\nPresident's meeting with Carlos Sanz de Santamaria\n\nTheodore (‘Teddy”) Roosevelt\n     -Panama Canal\n           -Relations with Colombia\n     -Design of presidential seal [?]\n\nGifts\n        -Comparison\n\nCommission members\n    -Affiliations\n          -University of Illinois\n\f                                             -19-\n\n                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                                 Conversation No. 887-10 (cont’d)\n\n                   -University of Michigan\n                   -Harvard University\n                   -Rockford, Illinois\n              -Southern Methodist Law School\n                   -Former Dean\n              -UCLA\n                   -Basketball\n\n        Cable television\n             -Follow-up\n\nShafer, et al. left at 12:27 pm.","filename":["887-010.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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Thomas","Ware, Mitchell","Farnsworth, Dona L."],"prevCode":"887-009","nextCode":"887-011","transcript":[{"start":2.79,"end":3.27,"text":"All right."},{"start":3.59,"end":4.35,"text":"All right."},{"start":4.75,"end":5.51,"text":"All right."},{"start":5.69,"end":6.93,"text":"All right."},{"start":7.15,"end":7.63,"text":"All right."},{"start":37.1,"end":40.14,"text":"Yes, what's going on?"},{"start":40.7,"end":43.83,"text":"This is Mitchell Ware, right, from Illinois Health Center."},{"start":43.95,"end":51.13,"text":"And this is Dr. Henry Brill, from Hilbert State Hospital."},{"start":51.17,"end":52.53,"text":"How are you doing?"},{"start":52.57,"end":60.41,"text":"With the exception of Nathan, I want you to know that this is the most insane show that I've ever worked with."},{"start":60.44,"end":61.88,"text":"It's just that it's pretty interesting to hear each other."},{"start":61.9,"end":62,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":62.02,"end":62.6,"text":"You can't have it all."},{"start":62.62,"end":63.22,"text":"I'll tell you what I'm saying."},{"start":69.53,"end":72.28,"text":"Why don't we start with that?"},{"start":72.3,"end":74.94,"text":"Ray, you'll be on my left."},{"start":74.96,"end":75.3,"text":"All right."},{"start":75.32,"end":77.6,"text":"Now the rest of you, just fold in on either side."},{"start":77.62,"end":77.96,"text":"Like that."},{"start":78.6,"end":82,"text":"That's three up."},{"start":82.02,"end":85.27,"text":"You see, I actually did it."},{"start":85.33,"end":89.29,"text":"You need one over here."},{"start":89.31,"end":90.53,"text":"A little more like a curve."},{"start":90.75,"end":92.57,"text":"Yeah, that's right."},{"start":92.59,"end":92.81,"text":"Balance."},{"start":92.85,"end":95.61,"text":"Like that."},{"start":106.16,"end":107.26,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":130.76,"end":130.98,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":157.21,"end":157.61,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":178.71,"end":183.56,"text":"the purpose of my comment here is to"},{"start":211.81,"end":212.13,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":238.85,"end":239.23,"text":"out of all we trust"},{"start":288.25,"end":289.33,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":316.3,"end":318.08,"text":"use is not a problem."},{"start":318.46,"end":321.83,"text":"The problem is that they are exhibited by drug use and drug dependency."},{"start":322.55,"end":326.95,"text":"And we say, let's take a careful look at the whole thing."},{"start":326.97,"end":328.44,"text":"Let's find our national resources and"},{"start":346.88,"end":347.7,"text":"They want controversy."},{"start":347.72,"end":348.34,"text":"They want controversy."},{"start":348.78,"end":349.88,"text":"They don't want substance."},{"start":349.93,"end":355.17,"text":"Well, actually, I was referring perhaps more to the review that I had on the public service podcast, you know."},{"start":355.35,"end":359.7,"text":"You've got to say those, you know, the athletes and all the rest, you know."},{"start":378.51,"end":385.85,"text":"I won't promise I'll read it right away."},{"start":385.87,"end":386.53,"text":"I will."},{"start":387.06,"end":391.54,"text":"I am a reader, actually."},{"start":392.74,"end":396.66,"text":"I want to enjoy it."},{"start":397.54,"end":398.64,"text":"I'm a reader."},{"start":398.78,"end":400.34,"text":"I believe in reading because the..."},{"start":404.68,"end":408.2,"text":"Now, we have to take what we've got."},{"start":408.28,"end":417.88,"text":"This is small, but people who do all kinds of things and social roles, that's something totally non-partisan, which is kind of hard."},{"start":443.56,"end":446.25,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":485.39,"end":485.75,"text":"D.R."},{"start":514.59,"end":520.7,"text":"That proves that we work for God."},{"start":521.82,"end":523.74,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":523.8,"end":527.1,"text":"Well, it seems like the education institution."},{"start":527.34,"end":529.66,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":529.76,"end":532.53,"text":"University of Michigan."},{"start":532.55,"end":533.33,"text":"Rockford, Illinois."},{"start":533.53,"end":536.75,"text":"Southern Memphis Law School."},{"start":536.77,"end":541.15,"text":"Getting a lawyer in here."},{"start":542.93,"end":543.38,"text":"I remember"},{"start":544.07,"end":544.93,"text":"years ago."},{"start":545.27,"end":549.77,"text":"It's a little liberal style."},{"start":549.83,"end":552.6,"text":"It's good to see you."},{"start":553.3,"end":557.54,"text":"I used to say I ever lost a basketball game."},{"start":557.76,"end":558.82,"text":"Anybody remember me?"},{"start":559.02,"end":560.54,"text":"That's fantastic."},{"start":560.56,"end":562.9,"text":"Do you ever sit around here today?"},{"start":564.04,"end":565.54,"text":"We have."},{"start":566.72,"end":567.35,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":589.73,"end":590.78,"text":"I know what you're talking about."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Raymond P. 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