{"conversationCode":"890-004","tapeNumber":890,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-890-004","startDateTime":"1973-03-30T13:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-03-30T14:07:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Mar-1973","startTime":"8:50 AM","endDate":"30-Mar-1973","endTime":"9:07 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On March 30, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:50 am and 9:07 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 890-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.4","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part IV","chronReleaseDate":"8-Dec-2010","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 890-4\n\nDate: March 30, 1973\nTime: Unknown between 8:50 am and 9:07 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Stephen B. Bull.\n\n       President’s schedule\n             - Visit with Norman Chandler\n                    -Suggestions by Rose Mary Woods\n                          -Health of Chandler\n\f                                               -3-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 890-4 (cont’d)\n\n                        -President’s trip to California\n                              -Dinner for John Ford\n             -Meeting with George P. Shultz\n                  -Length\n                  -Thomas Hart\n             -Meeting with state legislators\n                  -Location\n                        -Dining room\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 9:07 am.","filename":["890-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"890-003","nextCode":"890-005","transcript":[{"start":0.72,"end":2.58,"text":"I think we better not do it."},{"start":28.8,"end":29.6,"text":"Just forget it right now."},{"start":29.64,"end":31.84,"text":"If I do it on a special day, I'm going to do it on a Saturday."},{"start":31.93,"end":34.93,"text":"I'm going to be out there doing it."},{"start":34.99,"end":40.89,"text":"But in order to keep the show to me, to put it in time for you."},{"start":45.46,"end":50.84,"text":"I just wanted to tell you that he knows that you might not go to the state."},{"start":50.88,"end":52.23,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":52.24,"end":54.09,"text":"He's going to use that as the example."},{"start":54.13,"end":54.57,"text":"10 o'clock."},{"start":54.79,"end":55.83,"text":"10 o'clock."},{"start":56.91,"end":62.23,"text":"He'll just come in and say early in this case because ."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull reviewed the President’s upcoming schedule and logistics for his trip to California. The discussion focused on coordinating a visit with Norman Chandler, including health considerations relayed by Rose Mary Woods, and finalizing plans for a dinner honoring John Ford. Additionally, they addressed the timing and location for a meeting with George P. Shultz and state legislators.","topics":["Presidential schedule","California trip","Norman Chandler","John Ford","George P. Shultz","White House logistics"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:15:02.959Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-schedule","california-trip","norman-chandler","john-ford","george-p-shultz","white-house-logistics"],"audioDurationSec":71,"audioFiles":[{"file":"890-004.mp3","bytes":514048,"durationSec":71.33,"bitrate":57650,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:02.068Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:56.803Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/890-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/890-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/890/conversation-890-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}