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Start Date: 10-Apr-1973 12:19 PM

End Date: 10-Apr-1973 12:44 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Bull, Stephen B.Kissinger, Henry A.

Recording Device: Oval Office

892-011.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 10, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 12:19 pm and 12:44 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 892-011 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 892-11

Date: April 10, 1973
Time: Unknown between 12:19 pm and 12:44 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Stephen B. Bull.

       President’s schedule         

              -Henry A. Kissinger         

              -Meeting with Carl B. Albert 

              -Remarks for possible visit 

                      -National Conference for Building and Construction Trades Department
                      -Camp David
              -Barry M. Goldwater           

                      -Trip to California         

                      -Paris air show         

              -Alcoholics Anonymous publication          

                      -One millionth copy           

                      -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger          

              -Roy D. Hickman           

                      -Rotary International president      

                      -Support for President          

              -Kiwanis International          

                      -William G. Bray          


Henry A. Kissinger entered at 12:24 pm.

       President’s schedule
              -Lt. Col. John A. Dramesi 

                      -Prisoner of War [POW]        

                      -Flag presentation       

                             -Political advantage     

              -Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon’s schedule 

                      -1973 Teacher of the Year
                             -John A. Ensworth
                             -Ladies Home Journal
                                           -33-


                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                     Tape Subject Log 

                                   (rev. September-2012)

                                                           Conversation No. 892-11 (cont’d)

               -Miltary bases      

                      -Kissinger       


Bull left at 12:26 pm.

       Lee Kuan Yew 

             -Previous meeting with President 

                    -Leadership assessed        

                            -Ethnicity      

             -Previous meeting with Henry A. Kissinger
                    -1976 election
                    -Historical perspective
                    -Comparison with U.S. Leaders

       President’s policies
              -Judgement of history
              -Abraham Lincoln’s administration
              -Vietnam
                      -Administration staff
                      -Supporters
                             -Hardhats
                             -US House Of Representatives
                             -Goldwater
              -Cabinet        

              -Spiro T. Agnew          

                      -Meeting with Nguyen Van Thieu
                             -Cabinet
                             -Compared to Leonid I. Brezhnev
                             -Peter J. Brennan
                             -Congressional leaders
                                     -Goldwater
                                     -Strom Thurmond
                             -Military personnel
                             -First Daughters
                             -Pham Van Dong
                             -Le Duc Tho
                             -Patriotism
                                     -34-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. September-2012)

                                                      Conversation No. 892-11 (cont’d)


Kissinger’s meeting with Anatoliy F. Dobrynin
       -Proposed Treaty on the Prevention of Nuclear War 

              -Soviet Union expectations            

              -Reaction         

                      -North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]
                      -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
              -Justification         

                      -Nuclear weapons            

                      -Use of force           

              -Soviet interests           

              -Justification         

                      -Europe           

                              -Reassurances           

                      -PRC         

                              -Attacks by foreign nations     

                      -Great Britain
                              -Role in NATO
                              Entry in common market
                                       -US role           

                      -Gen. Charles A. J. M. de Gaulle 

       -Jewish emigration issue             

              -Leonid I. Brezhnev’s exchange with President
                      -Congressional leaders
                      -Jewish community
                              -President’s address
                      -Yitzak Rabin
                      -Bipartisan Congressional leadership
                      -Agnew
                      -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson, Abraham A. Ribicoff, Jacob K.
                       Javits 

                      -Jewish leaders           

                      -William E. Timmons               

                              -Wilbur D. Mills, Herman T. Schneebeli, Russell B. Long,
                                Wallace F. Bennett
                                       -Ways and Means Committee, Finance Committee
              -President’s previous meeting with leaders
                                      -35-

           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. September-2012)

                                                       Conversation No. 892-11 (cont’d)

                     -Public relations
                             -US negotiations with Soviet Union
              -Kissinger’s forthcoming meeting with Robert C. Hill
                     -Assistant Secretary of Defense, International Security Affairs
                      [ISA]
                             -Elliot L. Richardson
                     -Dealings with White House staff
                             -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
                                     -Access in White House

Ambassadors
     -William R. Kinter        

            -Support for President       

            -Possible ambassadorship        

                   -Pakistan
                   -Cambodia
                           -Confirmation process
     -Leonard Unger, Thailand        

            -Henry A. Byroade         

            -William P. Rogers         


Soviet summit
       -Dobrynin
       -Leadership
              -Brezhnev           

       -US negotiating stance on Vietnam

              -Treaty        

                      -Middle East         

                               -Negotiations      

       -Kissinger’s assessment of President’s character 

       -Trade Bill         

       -Vietnam

              -Domestic issues
                      -Political shift
                      -Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe [CSCE]
       -Brezhnev         

              -Health         

                                      -36-

            NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

                               Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. September-2012)

                                                          Conversation No. 892-11 (cont’d)

       -Treaty         

              -Soviet Union concerns       

              -Timing of announcement         

              -Most favored nation [MFN] status 

              -Forthcoming CSCE conference            

       -Future visit by President 

              -Possible trip to PRC     

                       -Peking      


Kintner
       -Ambassadorship
       -Relationship to President

Gen. Richard G. Stilwell
       -Ambassadorship
       -Pakistan
              -Retirement from military
       -Cambodia
              -Perception of Kintner’s military service
-Army rank

Soviet Union
       -Treaty
       -Kissinger’s conversation with Dobrynin on April 10, 1973
               -Jewish emigration        

               -Treaty        

               -Vietnam

                       -Provisional Revolutionary Government [PRG]
                       -Saigon

Vietnam
      -North Vietnam interests       

             -Dobrynin’s analysis            

             -Cambodia          

             -Violence        

                    -Limited conflicts           

             -Economic aid        

                                                 -37-


                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                           Tape Subject Log 

                                         (rev. September-2012)

                                                                 Conversation No. 892-11 (cont’d)

                               -Treaty
                                         -Removal of troops from Cambodia and Laos

       Kissinger’s schedule      

              -Farewell lunch       

                      -Lakshmi Kant Jha            


Kissinger left at 12:44 pm.