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Start Date: 10-Apr-1973 3:56 PM

End Date: 10-Apr-1973 4:42 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Goodling, George A.Devine, Samuel L.White House photographerWoods, Rose Mary

Recording Device: Oval Office

892-016.mp3

NARA Description:

On April 10, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, George A. Goodling, Samuel L. Devine, White House photographer, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:56 pm to 4:42 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 892-016 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 892-16

Date: April 10, 1973
Time: 3:56 pm - 4:42 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Congressmen George A. Goodling and Samuel L. Devine. The White
House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

      Greetings

      Vote to sustain veto

      Photographs

      Vote to sustain veto 

             -US Senate’s action        

             -US House’s action         


      Photographs      

            -Meeting with Lee Kuan Yew 


      Vote to sustain veto 

             -Margin of victory         

                     -Vote count          

             -Importance         

             -Effect of President’s speech 

                     -Mail       

                     -Pennsylvania Congressmen            

                     -Joseph M. McDade            

                     -Edward G. Biester, Jr.         

                     -E. G. (“Bud”) Shuster          

             -President’s speech          

                     -Taxation        

                     -Mail volume           

                     -Constituents’ views         

                             -Rural Electrification and Telephone Service
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                                                              Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)

                                    -Statement

      Freshman Congressmen           

            -President’s advice          

                   -Veto        


     Devine’s conversation with Preston Wolfe 

           -Wolfe’s retirement        

           -Support for President       

                  -1952 and 1956 elections


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     [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II 

           -Plans       

                  -President’s discussions           

                          -Hugh Scott            

                  -Dwight D. Eisenhower              


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     Pennsylvania Congressional District 19 

           -Goodling’s plans        

                   -Age       

           -1976 election        

                   -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II         

                          -Meeting with Goodling
                   -Candidates
                   -Martin G. Hamburger
                          -Hugh Scott
                                  -Administrative assistant
                          -Residency
                          -Liberal
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                                                         Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)

                   -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                          -Conservative
                                -Goodling’s voting record compared to Devine
            -Goodling’s plans
                   -Retirement
                          -Compared to Joseph W. Martin, Jr.
                                -Charles P. Halleck
                          -Margin of victory
                          -Devine’s viewpoint


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     [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II 

           -Political views      

           -Experience       


     Julie Nixon Eisenhower
            -Political experience      

                    -Campaign management         

                    -Speeches        

                    -Charm, humility     


     Pennsylvania Congressional District 19 

           -1976 election       

                   -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II’s candidacy
                          -Hamburger
                          -Goodling
           -Goodling’s office
                   -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
           -1976 election
                   -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
                          -Maryland residence
                   -Hamburger
                   -Goodling’s 1974 opponent
                          -Experience
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                                                    Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)

                            -Committee to Reelect the President [CRP]

Refreshments

Pennsylvania Congressional District 19
      -Goodling
              -Retirement
                      -Announcement
      -1976 election         

              -Hamburger           

              -William Goodling            

                      -Superintendant of schools       

      -Goodling’s retirement          

              -Effect on primary          

                      -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II, William Goodling
              -Timing
              -Announcement
              -1976 election
                      -Filing date         

                      -Opponents           

      -1976 election         

              -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II’s plans 

                      -Federal employment          

                      -President’s advice       

                      -Residency          

                              -Candidacy
                      -Goodling’s retiremenet
                      -Public appearances
                              -Julie Nixon Eisenhower        

                      -Goodling         

              -Goodling’s retirement         

                      -Endorsements
                              -William Goodling
                              -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
              -[Dwight] David Eisenhower, II         

                      -Residence          

                      -Public opportunities       

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                                 -Campaign
                                 -Candidacy
                          -Experience
                                 -Wallace H. Johnson
                          -Legal residence
                                 -Dwight D. Eisenhower’s farm
                                         -Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
                                 -Possible apartment
                                         -Gettysburg
                                         -Washington, DC

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      Goodling        

            -Location of farm

                    -Loganville, Pennsylvania
            -District
            -Number of towns in Goodling’s Congressional District
            -York, Pennsylvania
                    -Population
            -Comparison with President’s old district
                    -Amherst, California
                    -Downy, California [?]
                    -Whittier, California
            -Marital status


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      [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
            -Possible Congressional committee employment
                   -Education and skills
                          -US Navy
                   -Communication Committee, Transportation Committee
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


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                                                          Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)

                    -Education and skills
                            -Law
                            -Naval service
                            -Amherst College
                    -Armed Services Committee
                            -Intelligence
                    -Agricultural Committee, Commerce Committee, Transportation
                     Committee, Communication Committee, Health Committee
             -Naval experience
                    -Central Intelligence Agency [CIA]
             -Robert F. Kennedy
                    -Nepotism law           

             -Dwight D. Eisenhower and son 

             -Possible future employment          

                    -Federal Bureau of Investigation [FBI]
                    -CIA
                    -Robert H. Michel
                            -Speaking ability
                                     -Colleges and universities
                            -Campaign committee
                            -Need for speakers
                            -Colleges in Goodling’s district
             -Meeting with Devine           

             -Goodling’s meeting with President 

             -Forthcoming meeting with Devine 


      Pennsylvania Congressional District 19 

            -1976 election        

                    -Goodling’s retirement       

                           -Meeting with President      

                                   -Photograph
                           -Endorsements
                           -Devine’s meeting with [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II

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             NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM

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                                                       Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)


FBI
         -Devine’s interest in Directorship
         -Depoliticization
         -Top officials
                -Rivalry         

         -Legacy of J. Edgar Hoover 

                -Clyde A. Tolson          

         -Possible candidates for Director 

                -Frank L. Rizzo         

                -Ronald L. Ziegler          

                -Devine          

                        -Statement
                        -Future service in Congress
                        -Background as a lawyer
                        -Criticism of John F. Kennedy [?], George S. McGovern
                                -Confirmation
                        -Compared to L[ouis] Patrick Gray

Congressional leadership
      -Leslie C. Arends’s age
      -Goodling’s age
      -George D. Aiken

Arends
         -Golf

Gifts for secretaries

Rose Mary Woods
      -Goodling’s acquaintance
              -Harry McLaughlin          

      -Nellie L. Yates         

      -President’s private secretary          

              -Duties        

              -Staff       

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                                       Tape Subject Log 

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                                                             Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)


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       [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II
             -Meeting with Devine
                    -Meeting with Clifford J. Jones
                           -Pennsylvania Republican Party chairman

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Rose Mary Woods entered at 4:36 pm.

       Introduction
              -McLaughlin
                    -Mutual friend of Woods and Goodling
                    -Work with Woods

       Gifts
               -Goodling’s office, Devine’s office
               -Description
               -Cufflinks
               -Paperweight
               -Cufflinks
                       -New design

Woods left at an unknown time after 4:36 pm.

       Gifts
               -Wife of Devine
               -Tie clasp

Woods entered at an unknown time before 4:42 pm.

       Gifts
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                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM 


                                        Tape Subject Log 

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                                                                Conversation No. 892-16 (cont’d)

               -Tie clasp

       Envelope

       Gifts        

               -Prisoners of War [POWs] 

                      -Newly designed cufflinks         

                              -Richardson       


The White House photographer entered at an unknown time before 4:42 pm.

       Transportation

       Photographs        

             -Instructions        


       Woods
               -McLaughlin
                     -President’s regards
                     -Photograph appointment for Oval Office

       President’s schedule     

              -Party       

              -Meeting with [Dwight] David Eisenhower, II 


       Vote sustaining veto 

              -Letter from President         

                      -Members of Congress          

                              -Letter for Goodling       

              -Goodling’s transportation         

                      -Devine’s retrieval of Goodling’s car 


Goodling, Devine, Woods, and the White House photographer left at 4:42 pm.
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                                                              Conversation No. 892-17 (cont’d)