{"conversationCode":"893-003","tapeNumber":893,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-893-003","startDateTime":"1973-04-11T14:50:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-11T15:00:00.000Z","startDate":"11-Apr-1973","startTime":"9:50 AM","endDate":"11-Apr-1973","endTime":"10:00 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 11, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:50 am and 10:00 am. 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(“Pat”) Nixon\n                 -Cancer award\n                        -Courage\n                 -Pardee’s bout with cancer\n                 -Presentation by President\n           -Camp David trip\n                 -Time\n                 -Family\n           -Events on April 12, 1973\n                 -National Security Council [NSC] meeting\n                 -Vietnam Prisoners of War [POWs]\n                        -Entertainment\n                              -Music\n                                   -Army chows\n                 -Hugh Scott, Joe D. Waggonner, Jr.\n                 -Gerald R. Ford\n                        -Representatives of Democratic Party\n           -Forthcoming meetings\n                 -Henry A. Kissinger\n                 -Gregorio Lopez-Bravo de Castro\n                        -Gen. Francisco Franco’s letter\n                        -Joseph Marie Luns\n                        -John B. Connally\n                        -Reception for Congressmen\n           -Previous evening’s dinner arrangements\n                 -Julie Nixon Eisenhower\n                 -Timing of courses\n           -Army chorus\n\f                                             -5-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                           Conversation No. 893-3 (cont’d)\n\n                  -Staging of performance\n           -Camp David [?]\n           -Letters to unknown person and Glenn Ford\n                  -Ford’s mother\n           -Call to J. Strom Thurmond\n                  -William E. Timmons\n                  -Tom C. Korologos\n                  -Congressional [?] resolution\n\nStephen Bull left at an unknown time before 10:00 am.","filename":["893-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"893-002","nextCode":"893-004","transcript":[{"start":36.27,"end":42.61,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":102.7,"end":103.11,"text":"and other"},{"start":151.86,"end":154.97,"text":"Joe Wagner and all the other black Democrats."},{"start":154.99,"end":157.99,"text":"I think it's a close call about the Democrats."},{"start":158.01,"end":159.81,"text":"I think white Republicans can respond."},{"start":242.35,"end":244.07,"text":"Which way do they look?"},{"start":244.09,"end":244.87,"text":"I think they like this."},{"start":244.89,"end":247.87,"text":"I think they like being able to see the color coming down the stairs."},{"start":247.89,"end":249.71,"text":"I mean, I like it."},{"start":249.73,"end":250.01,"text":"I like it."},{"start":250.03,"end":257.73,"text":"I was, uh... One thing I'll mention to Julie is that Julie and I was, uh... See, they served the dead or two slowly."},{"start":257.75,"end":268.66,"text":"I mean, we sat there at that goddamn head table after the first morning for eight minutes after we'd finished eating and they didn't give us those plates."},{"start":268.98,"end":269.16,"text":"And, uh, I..."},{"start":269.18,"end":272,"text":"I'll talk to Julie about it because it's a very sensitive thing."},{"start":276.78,"end":279.2,"text":"Let's see."},{"start":317.07,"end":318.13,"text":"Oh yeah, yes, I'm gonna be there, yeah."},{"start":318.15,"end":321.72,"text":"Oh, let's see here."},{"start":322.58,"end":324.98,"text":"This should be a letter."},{"start":355.46,"end":356.74,"text":"You want to let her do what you said?"},{"start":361.2,"end":361.4,"text":"Mm-hmm."},{"start":361.46,"end":376.03,"text":"I'm glad you want to mention this mother, that she said that somebody had requested the mother to be here today."},{"start":376.11,"end":384.68,"text":"Now, I'm not going to call Berman, but just tell him to get a chance"},{"start":386.17,"end":387.89,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":388.21,"end":389.72,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":389.74,"end":389.98,"text":"I don't know."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with his personal aide, Stephen B. Bull, to review upcoming scheduling logistics and formal event arrangements. The discussion focused on coordinating a variety of engagements, including presidential meetings with political figures, a scheduled Camp David trip, and the logistics for an NSC meeting and entertainment for Vietnam POWs. 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