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Yeah, I don't have to say too much.

No, you don't say too much.

I'm just going to say, you know, how much it means.

Who's going to speak?

Oh, Colson and Brennan and Fitzsimmons.

It's a distinguished affair.

Brennan.

I'm going to give it.

And Margaret Heckler.

She supported it.

Margaret Heckler.

Yeah.

You can say it, Brennan.

Why, sure, every economist, liberal and conservative

Well, unions have no stake in that because what you're talking about is non-union labor.

A guy working for a minimum wage is probably not going to be union, whereas the union people have their set number of people in their contracts.

So, you know, there you go again.

And I was wondering, Mommy's having the open house, the White House garden to be open to the public.

It's a fabulous idea.

And the tourists are going to be able to come in and see where Trish was married, see where the helicopter lands, see the H-J roadside.

And she's going to take some people from the public line on a tour.

And then at the end, she'll probably be in the Rose Garden.

And if you could pop out and say hello, we'd get nationwide coverage.

Sure.

Okay.

No, it's too boring.

Okay.

And they did all the plates opposite, and the hell with the other people.

You know, I noticed that at the afternoon dinner, maybe a ten-minute wait between courses, it was just unbearable.

It's unbearable, and it's a bad custom, because, for example, we went into dinner early.

We went down early.

We started early.

I know you got out so late.

I'm trying to let you in.

The toast did not begin until eight minutes until ten.

So that's too damn long.

At 9.30, that dinner must be over.

You've got to tell me.

I've told them directly.

I think it works out well, very well.

No squatting, no chairs.

No.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

It's very depressing.

Yeah, it's a great thing.

It's a great thing, but it doesn't belong.

Yeah, I remember what I did.

I said, see, what I'm changing.

I said, change it.

And in the book, they change it.

And in the book, they put the thing in the

Change quickly.

It's very depressing.

Take a step out of the bed.

Honest thing here.

Get a call from the district to open the leader early.

What about June?

It's going to be a crisis.

But I mean, without questioning for long, it's going to be a crisis.

But I mean, in a battle.

Because Hamburger will get into it.

In a battle.

Because Hamburger will get into it.

His son will get into it.

And all the others will get into it.

And it can get sort of rough.

But you should stay above the battle.

And it's done.

You should stay above the battle.

Stay above it.

And it's done.

Well, you'll find some.

Right here.

Um.

Or maybe on some agricultural matter.

But I would take a view of a very strong.

Well, you'll find some.

Right here.

Um.

But I would take a view of a very strong.

Right here.

Um.

I would take the view of a very strong national defense, even though it's not popular, because that's...

But I would take the view of a very strong national right of thing to do.

And I would take the view of a very strong national right of thing to do.

Cliff Jones says that at a strategic time, I get a hold.

I don't because the poll won't be favorable for you because you haven't had a chance to see it.

I get a poll.

I, I don't because the poll won't be favorable for you because you won't have had a chance to...

I don't because the poll won't be favorable for you because you won't have had a chance to be known in the district.

Well, I don't know his name.

I don't know his name.

I would pull, I'd pull, I wouldn't pull that soon.

After you had, after you had some more identification, I would pull, I'd pull after you had, after you, you get settled down, you move around in there.

Sure.

You can take one.

Take one of the guys and say, well, here's where it is.

Take one of them if it isn't favorable.

You say, Charlie, it's just a... Well, look, it doesn't do any damn harm to take one.

You could take one and... Take one if it isn't favorable.

Use it for information.

If it is...

We will.

Definitely.

your people, and also others, there'll be enough your people, and also others, there'll be enough Jones, you've got to tell Jones, very candidly, you've got to tell Jones, you've got to tell Jones, and also others, there'll be enough Jones, you've got to tell Jones, very candidly, that, yes, I, I, very candidly, that, very candidly, that, I, I, yes, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I'm going to wait until he makes my decision.

Don't get on board with these other people.

who goes around and tells everybody to look false, don't get on board with these other people, because David's gonna go, so he can say things that you can't.

And that's another thing that you've got to find in a certain area.

You've got to never, and that's another thing that you've got to find everywhere else that's gonna help you.

That would be perfect.

That's just the kind of man, somebody who trusts totally and trusts you and can just move around and step on the floor and pick you up.

He was a delegate in 1968.

The first Pennsylvania delegate to break for you in 1968.

And I guess we'll run on second law.

Charlie Wolfe was his favorite son.

I haven't said a job to Wolfe about this.

No, I haven't.

Charlie Wolfe.

I should talk to Wolfe and ask him if he would be here.

I'd ask him if he would be here.

What?

No, I haven't.

I haven't.

If I didn't talk to him, what would be your, basically your informal campaign manager prior to the time you go?

And then, and I asked him if he would be your, I asked him, let him, you see, I don't want you to get in the business of doing, of being too close to the pool, even if you're an informal campaign manager prior to the time you go.

And then, let him know if he

You've got to see them start to say, well, I am.

women are very active

my god

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

And you too.

and barbecue and something, et cetera.

Fine.

I think you should... Yeah.

Go out there and run the district.

My way.

Oh, yeah.

Fine.

It'll just get to work.

Yeah.

Go out there and run the district.

My way.

Talk to Wolf.

I think you should go to Wolf at this point.

And...

But then on this, don't have any kind of advice, though, about assuming the information I need.

That's right.

Fine.

I think you should... Fine.

Talk to Wolf.

I think you should go to Wolf.

Find Wolf at this point.

But then on this, don't ask anymore advice.

I think you should go talk to Wolf.

I think you should go talk to Wolf at this point.

This is the best way.

No.

Far.

Other area, there's probably pieces of property there.

Forget it, Bertram.

I would not buy a house on... No.

A farm.

It should be a farm.

A farm.

Because you don't want to... You don't want to get your hands on it.

You always want to have a farm.

Um, I agree with you about... Um, I agree with you about...

I need to... Um, I agree with you about...

I need to...

Some identification with serious issues.

I need some identification with serious issues.

Serious issues.

That's right.

You've got to get on there, Bernie.

The guy just, you, Daniel, really, you've been away three years today.

I need some identification with serious issues.

That's right.

You, you, they don't realize.

And you know, you're the grandson of my guy.

That's, that's not accurate, but the minute I just, you've been away three, you, you, they don't realize you've been away three years today.

That's me.

Just one?

I think so.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Remember that.

Okay.

Got it.

It's not accurate, but the minute people see it, you change.

Just one?

I think so.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Remember that.

OK.

I think just last night with the people in the hall, Daddy, would you like it?

I love the idea.

Fine time?

Which desk is this on?

This desk was the one I had when I was vice president.

And the one your grandfather had, when he was president, I had ordered it to you.

Oh, Daddy, that is not in this Kennedy and Johnson and Digger desk.

I don't like the one you have.

I brought this.

What had happened, though, this used to be in my office by Professor Johnson.

I asked for it.

He called it out to his wife.

He did too late, so I had to get it back.

Well, anyway, I had a couple of thoughts, more thoughts on the situation.

The really new factor is that the old man...

He's not going to support it.

But see, he's not going to, his son runs.

And his son has written David a letter saying he's going to run.

Let me say that as well.

Well, he doesn't have any teeth.

I know what he's going to do.

Go ahead, what do you think?

Okay, well, because this is the problem.

Now, we solicited him.

I have hard intelligence life.

um says to me that his son has gotten to him oh yeah and his wrangled uh concessionary which says that his son is going to be in that race yeah that's good um see i got two congressmen including uh divine well no divine divine didn't say he implied it state chairman said that uh there was hard intelligence that uh

Oh, God.

I mean, you know, I'd like to see him.

No.

He's just, he's a human.

I said, you can't.

I said, first, I said, David will not announce against you and will not announce until you say you're not going to run because I figured you couldn't do that first.

He might have agreed and said, no, we will.

I told him that because that's what you said you wouldn't run.

I don't think you could.

However, I told him that.

I said, that is not anybody's fault.

I said, I would think that these other calls of being a Steve or whatever his name is and

The guy that's going to run again, I had never seen him before.

Eaton, right?

He probably, yeah, the old man told me that Eaton was already running.

He had a lot of money.

And Hammer, who I could tell just quickly, he didn't care very much.

He says he's a carpet bender.

He doesn't like our Hammer.

Yeah, it might be better.

We can't do that.

So, now, how does this end with you?

First, and I raised the point correctly with the old man.

I said, I understand that you might want to lay with the workers.

I said, no, no.

I said, I wouldn't want that.

I just said it loud.

Yeah.

So, that told me what the old man said.

The old man said he doesn't want to have any.

He said.

He wants to leave his daughter.

Well, he doesn't want.

He has David on his staff.

He's, in fact, giving the signal that he's endorsing.

He didn't mention his son at all, except to say that his son, he just said it in passing.

It's obvious he doesn't care.

Yeah, the poor son.

Yeah, well, his son has got to do it in a big way.

Yeah, well, anyway, I think what he said yesterday, the way, the formality he did it, he wanted to come in with the divine.

It means that he has made up his mind.

i said what what do you think

My view is that, here's the way, if I were to serve yourself, what would I do?

You ought to act right now and say, well, you're back in the Navy.

You're very interested in politics.

You should take the best political job you can get and work all out.

And then you should take as many engagements in the district as you can.

You should talk in my view.

And he is entitled to that.

And until he makes up his mind, you're not.

But if he does not run, you certainly are very interested.

David, are you interested in this?

You will say, yes, I am.

But I respect Mr. Goodman.

He served this district well for so many years.

And I am not going to become a candidate until he makes up his mind.

He has a right to make his decision.

I'm not saying this is a recommendation, just something for you to sort out.

and that maybe work out some rate where he could

you know, sort of...

So you've got a contract for rent that you can make a decision at any time who you want and then leave it open and then don't move.

That's what I would do.

Unless you feel at a later time you would want to, but I don't think you want to.

Now, on the job side, I really feel the best contract, you ought to do something that is believable.

I think Bush is the best at the committees with this job.

Who?

I think David being number two man at the committee is the best job.

Because it gives him prestige.

I hate to see him go to the Hill and be a clerk.

That's what he was that summer.

He was an intern with Ruska.

He told me he just spun wheels.

It was interesting, but he had no idea what he was doing.

And it would get him out across the country.

Except that I used to pray that they're not going to offer him any job on the Hill that's of any importance to me, because I look like a... One option that I was...

I pulled out right away was working for an individual.

Congressman Dunbar, member of Congress?

No.

Swiper?

Swiper.

Yeah, well, the state chairman has let Schweiger out of this.

What does the state chairman think you want to do in terms of John?

Well, he's wild about it.

Except that, Daddy, if he's there, won't he just basically be doing research and he won't give him an opportunity to travel and speak out?

No, no, no.

We'll talk to Michael about that.

No, no, no.

They would want him to do that.

The whole purpose of getting him at the committee would be getting there and doing something.

You do research at the National Committee.

Research at the National Committee.

Not financially, but all you see is that this campaign committee is like a national committee.

It's the same thing.

They're out with huge candidates, so you can work down there and work on the issues.

And the other thing is to work with Barbara Conable on a Republican policy committee.

Now, Conable was a first-rate man from New York, a nice guy, but he'd be working with several others, but that would give you the opportunity to travel as well.

Right, right.

So, Hope Lewis is also...

Plus, I have an opportunity to write some, um, um, life with Grandad, uh, from the age of 16 on the farm in Gettysburg.

Terrific.

That's better.

Yeah.

See, I don't have a human interest being told that the country would love.

Plus, I situate myself in that district.

Mm-hmm.

Which is not a side issue.

I situate myself in that district.

Not only do you have to write something, but also, you said, I don't know if you have the intention to become one, too.

No.

Right.

Come on.

only thing i don't know how famous i wasn't having enough time to write and travel if he's in a job see if he's in this like when he worked on the hill before he was working long hours doing nothing that's not going to leave any time to travel around now i think there are a lot of things up there that would be one that we discussed was the counselor services commission dod is a tremendous uh

that you're going to be appealing to young people, and let's face it, there's no interest in defense or army.

There isn't, though.

It's a fact of life, and you should assume it's going to help them.

I was going to say, let me just say a couple of things that occurred to me on the job thing.

is a blessing of the old man.

make an announcement to the party after the first year.

But I wouldn't make your announcement until I get that sort of figure about maybe a very good time for you to announce your legacy.

It might be Lincoln's birthday.

See, that's about the time I would visualize it.

It's not before then.

The old man would probably announce it the first of February.

And Lincoln's birthday, you make your formal announcement, and you make a little speech at that time, maybe speech at that time.

Make sure it's kind of a friendly audience, doesn't it?

Go get him, Fer.

Get around so that you can get all that lined up.

I mean, you take a fellow like Harry McLaughlin.

He's with Harrisburg, but that's close.

And they also have some circulation on that.

But he's a great friend of your grandpa.

I love your grandpa.

He loved, he'd just be out pushing for David.

radio people and all the rest.

But you move in and get to know all these people.

And don't do active campaigning for where you go up over all the places for more than about a month.

Because I'll tell you, it's wearing the hell out of you.

That's not in the primary.

In the final, you'll go for another six weeks to a month to two months.

But I feel that if you

But then the important thing, though, is to find the right job for David now so that when he goes... That is the problem.

I'll talk to George Bush and the National Committee would be honest.

The Capitol Hill idea is

That's why Shrikers

Yeah.

A lot of good ones.

Prestigious ones.

parts of the country.

And we've got to get more publicity in that district sometimes, and in that district itself, because it'll build our back and get a wider sort of story out in Canterbury town.

Well, I think it's a good idea.

Also, at a certain time, I want you to take on some TV.

You might be able to take that.

A lot of money.

And the house is going to be no problem.

I know.

I think we can move in in like 10 days or something.

I'd love to go, but you know where I'm going?

I'm going to Boston to accept the Middlesex Peace Award for you.

Middlesex Club is giving you a Peace Award.

I'd love to go.

Well, you know where I'm going?

I'm going to Boston to accept the Middlesex Peace Award for you.

Middlesex Club is giving you a Peace Award.

I'd love to go.