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We're waiting.

The reason I had to go back upstairs, I had the crew up there who had been working on this.

It's pretty good.

It's really quite outstanding.

And hopefully we have it ready so that George can talk about it.

I do not want to consider lightning rod.

It's a decision John sent me.

It's a much ruder event.

Let me say, change for me tonight.

You're quite in the wrong position today.

Do you think we're going to have a competition or lose?

Well, I think his point about the strong Senate and the weak president is a good point.

But it's not the only point.

And it has to be weighed against the other problem that the presidency has, which is the incredible president.

And maybe you decide that one is more important than the other.

We're not getting bombed right now because the president's appearing weak.

forthrightness, responsiveness to the needs of the nation and cleaning out of festering corruption.

Well, I'm certainly not...

The other way is...

are the non-televised chariot.

Now, you are certainly a televised chariot.

You don't think people will believe it's for me.

You don't answer a candor unless you're televised.

I don't buy that.

I take it you have the...

I don't think the Senate will agree.

I'm not supposed to, but I believe.

President, am I televised here?

White House people are the strong witnesses, in my opinion.

The weak witnesses are Mitchell, LaRue, Marty, folks of that kind.

And they will be told.

And mind you, the most important person we have to have in mind is home.

Let's face it.

These other people were in the campaign.

I don't know what they can do.

They can isolate or not.

All of them is a man that we have to think about here.

I don't know what you do with a D-day.

on television, but also because if we don't have a cave, we have to stay off of that.

It's a compromise rather than a cave.

It's peace with iron.

In other words, if we cave on the matter, and people go up there and the story is broken,

Our mission in this event is an honor.

under appropriate instructions but I think his appropriate instructions have to be that when in doubt he refers a question to me or Dermot or somebody as to whether it's privileged or not and that we

he's there under the gun as to whether or not he'll answer the question.

And I think, I think Garment is competent enough that he can go and sit down there along with Dean's counsel and call those shots.

What's your feeling on that, Bob?

Do you think that John, particularly that somebody before him, what's your Dean's feeling there, which is that

We're getting all of us, and therefore the presidency, into deeper and deeper suit to try and save John Mitchell.

And we can't do that.

I don't think you can take any further risks, and I don't think you've got a basis for not sending John Dean to the grand jury.

Well, now let's look at all the others, like the John Mitchell incident.

It isn't as simple as that, though.

I mean, it doesn't turn him whether Dean goes or not.

They've got Linda Lovely down there, or whatever her name is today, and she's saying Gordon Liddy sent memos describing the size of the bugs to Jed Magruder or some such thing.

Something like that.

Sally...

Gordon Strawn, incidentally, did get a report.

He did.

Tommy was great.

They asked him directly, did I know about the, that they were going to get security?

He said yes, and I agreed.

I had agreed that they could bring in a man to do the Dick Tuck kind of activity in the camp.

Is that what they live as a soldier?

No, they went into the 350 quite extensively, and he had no problem with it.

they asked why he had returned it to the committee after the, he said, you know, we had it as a contingency fund and he didn't use it.

So why did you return it afterwards?

He said, because Mr. Arloff instructed me to.

I asked what I was to do with it after the election.

He said, give it back to the committee.

He said, did he instruct you to give it to Fred LaRue?

And he said, no, he instructed me to give it back to the committee.

And that's what I did.

And he had no, yes, he said, no, I don't have this full thing.

That's

I'm very concerned about naming me in the segreting thing.

I don't be asked to.

Of course.

And that I prefer to name myself.

And that may leak, you see.

If the grand jury leaks, we may have a very big moment in that inspiring story.

On the idea.

I thought that was our way.

No.

Well, the fact that.

What's the club thing?

No, no.

So that had to do with the other.

The fact that Chapin heard segreting and that Cobb-Octavian came out.

I'm not sure exactly what his words were, and I don't know how the questions were, but he had said I knew that they were going to do it, and agreed that having a tough guy was a good idea.

I don't know how far they got him, but you intended to say that anyway.

Yes, sir.

And strongly loved him.

Well, that does cross the bridge on Dean.

Well, I think somebody has to say to John that from what we know about the case, whether Dean goes or not, he's not going to make the difference.

But I think John has to realize that the decision on Dean does not foredo Mitchell, that there are a lot of other facts and factors here, a lot of other witnesses.

Do you agree with that, Bob?

Yes.

That's what I thought all along.

None of us was going to say we're saying there's a duty to get that back to John.

Well, I'm going to hit him on him so he runs the campaign.

I don't have any quarrel with that as a general approach.

Let me suggest, if you don't have any quarrel with that as a general approach, why not go back to the devices we talked about before, which is either a warrant commissioner or a special prosecutor or something who

rather than letting the committee do it in a service.

Because that doesn't turn the committee off.

That will not turn the committee off.

We'll give you the basis for exercising total privilege.

I think this is being investigated more closely.

How do you do that, Bob?

What does that mean, Steve?

Oh, yeah.

scratch it.

That's my problem.

Let me ask you a question.

That would be a pretty good thing.

Not if it only relates to the Watergate.

My statement covers Watergate security and all of the general attacks that Whitebeard has made.

That would be a pretty pertinent statement.

It could be expanded some if you want it to contract.

That's some self-serving stuff in it.

Lots

complex.

Nobody will understand it, nobody will read it, except for the investigators, who will read it for the purpose of trying to snipe me on something, and I wish I'd probably be able to do it.

three or four weeks or months, the impression is not created that what Bob said is not truthful.

Even though it is truthful, because then you assure the... Well, I have to put out the statement.

All I can do is find something I didn't cover, neglected to cover.

That's right.

Or it's been raised.

But I'm responsive to everything that's been raised.

Well, Ron, the question of

Oh, well, yeah.

We realize it's uncontrollable.

I think it's predictable, but it's uncontrollable.

The first fork in the road right here is do we send anybody to the committee or not?

Within four months, we would have maybe five, we would have a judicial decision on whether we had to or not.

And how you get from here to that

I mean, there are a lot of different scenarios.

But maybe the absolute power of executive privilege would be ratified by the Supreme Court.

If so, then nobody would go.

Now, how does that leave the president vis-a-vis the country?

I suggest that while that route is

It's a loser.

Because you think it can come to cover.

Sure.

Well, that's the thing.

Ron thinks, though, that you don't have to be the televised characters in order to be covered.

I mean, you're really not saying televised characters are nothing.

Ron is the same.

He says televised characters are something else.

Okay.

We're dealing here in symbols, because Ron goes out every day.

we intended this and that, and it doesn't get a stick.

I understand.

again but the the um because they are they don't intend to do

I don't have any problem with that.

I think it's a proper position.

I'm not sure it is a totally defensible position in the sense that you may be confronted with a very hard choice someday.

You may have your counsel sitting up there in a jailhouse.

No, but under this approach...

And that's it.

And now let's talk about how you get the information of which is entitled by interrogatory or other method.

I think you have strength in your hand by saying that.

That is to say...

the committee a letter about Dean so that we have something for the record that can go before the court as to what our position is.

But if you offer Haldeman and you don't offer Dean, aren't you going to have both problems?

You're going to have a cave on executive privilege and you're still going to have the court desk.

Well, that's one way of looking at it.

On the other hand, you can look at it exactly the opposite way, that you didn't have a cave because you're not sending Dean.

But it's a partial key, which is all you're after to compromise anything.

Well, it's the final key.

It's the reason, Ron, that you have to stand on the other side.

So it is really quite a challenge.

All of them, it is true that they're charging for a son, a demon son.

Basically, they want him because he does this to you.

They have to come down to either Mitchell or I or both.

Fill that role.

And that's where they've got to go for one or the other or both of us in order to get it.

You must let me go.

Yeah.

To declare my name.

Yeah.

Because he had been charged with a criminal act.

Basically, he was elected.

And the president said...

Either college job or conspiratorial with or something.

And the president said, Bob, you can go, but I can't let down an executive privilege.

So you're going to have to figure out a way to go that will not, in any way, impair the separation of powers.

And I called in my old fraternity brother and roommate.

His wife's campaign for vice president.

And he said...

No, but that's not being apocryphal.

That's not being apocryphal.

What about the situation?

When you talked to Tom, his view was that everybody should go up.

What?

No, Tom never has that good a solution to any decision.

Before you have the answer, you have to determine what course you're going to pursue.

And then once you determine that, you work out the answer.

Let me tell you that the overall thing that I see here, and it has to be looked at strictly from the standpoint of the president and nothing else, the president has got to be in a position a year from now of being able to say, I did everything I could

to make sure that all of the facts were known.

And now they're known, and it touched some people that I was close to, that I had an association with, and that hurts me.

But it's good for government, and it's good for the country that is all out and behind us now that's moved on.

Now, I don't know how to do that and still trim at the margins.

Well, obviously the president is not in a position to conduct the investigation himself.

There's no choice in that.

The committee is going to go on anyway.

But the way you put the president in that position perhaps is that

Well, there's another formula here.

Let me try this one.

Supposing about the time that the committee begins its work, its open hearings, the president appoints a prestigious former Supreme Court Justice, calls him in, says, Mr. Former Justice, I must have my own

when all the last dog is hung here, I want you to tell me that every vestige of corruption has been rooted out of it if any existed.

And that's the cabinet, not the committee report, but the report of Mr. Justice X to the person.

That's probably likely.

Whatever we do, we're going to do that.

We're not likely to get a minority report at this time.

And Mr. Justice X can say, Mr. President, the FBI did a superb job, probably the finest investigatory job in my professional experience.

Pat Gray was badly used in this, and it's too bad he's one of the tragedies in this whole episode.

So on, so on, so on.

The committee hearings I can only characterize as essentially unfair.

And perhaps this does back up, in a self-serving way, my feeling that we should get action from you.

The grand jury in New York has already leaked the $70,000 that you delivered.

There have been substantial leaks, or some leaks, of the grand jury here.

Let me just pose a set of circumstances here for the next 10 days.

Let's say the strong thing.

White House has been in a position where credibility on the Watergate is virtually nil anyway.

You have Mary Harmony singing like a canary over there.

You have within the next 10 days, let's say, the potential, not the committee dragging this out, but a substantial, massive press source material

Coming directly to the heart of the White House.

Not true.

Distorted.

Blown out of proportions.

Granted.

But you have all of this to deal with.

We are out there saying it's a possibility.

It's not a possibility.

We are out there saying it.

You don't think it's likely?

I don't know.

I'm not saying.

I'm just posing this as something we should think about.

Now, if you're dealing with public impression and all the rest here, you know, it's going to set in pretty fast.

So I think in terms of making a decision as to whether or not there should be action at this time by the president, we have to keep...

that preserving all this separation of powers, he will permit some of them to testify.

More than that.

They have requested, they have had, they are being, they are being, they are being seriously damaged by leaps, hearsay, etc.

They have requested the opportunity to testify and have declared their

to serve the ground rules and so on and so forth that we've been agreed to with the mayor.

That is not... You go on and say, well, that's not all the White House personnel.

And we'll, from time to time, have announcements, or you may want to say flat out, John Dean isn't going.

He's been to the grand jury.

Second... You do not waive executive privilege.

No executive privilege is waived for anybody, and therefore, since John Dean is

totally immersed beneath the doctrine of executive privilege.

He's not going at all.

Second, the president's done his level best to cooperate with the committee.

There have been extensive discussions with the committee, both the staff and member level, regarding how the White House could cooperate.

Can I just

In other words, something very damaging to John Deere.

Well, all I can say is that very little has leaked out of the Washington Grand Jury.

Very little.

But the potential.

The potential is...

There isn't anything that's on me.

That's right.

Oh, you mean that he might say?

Yeah.

The worst that could come out of this... Well, it is half and half.

What about the implications?

Second step.

he said, what would his position be then?

What would his testimony be on that?

I don't know.

Dean Go-Between in Hush Money Arrangements.

See, what I'm saying, John, is not only the grand jury convicted of forming the Hush Money thing, but also the potential of the hearing, the Senate Committee hearing as we move along, a month, two months, whatever it is, where

Let me go on with my – I've finished my near-term scenario.

First of all, you've got the answer.

Then you've got the ongoing cooperation story, the arrangements and the working with the staff and the substantial disclosures by deans through informal means.

And third, you have the decision of the president in view of the consistent leakage and the curious procedures adopted by the senatorial

to conduct an executive branch review, not only of the investigation conducted within the executive branch, but of the investigation conducted by the Senate committee and the grand jury.

And to report to the president, not now, but at the conclusion of all of these proceedings.

As a kind of a topic.

Now.

the reason i was making a point about john is if you take if we take that position you see then where are we two three months two weeks four weeks six weeks from now in an unpredictable time where someone could

Linda Lovelace could go in and say, John Dean raped me on the steps of the cathedral yesterday afternoon.

But under my formulary, you see, Dean issues a complete statement and is prepared to sit down with the committee to have further questions.

Even so.

But nevertheless, regardless of what his statement says, and it's attested by 20 bishops, General Grutter could go in

six weeks later, and through some aberration of recollection, say, the evil genius behind this entire plot was John Dean, and I swear to God.

Okay.

But also... John Dean has to go back out and talk to John.

But also, you see, you face the problem.

If we build a scenario and someone, through an aberration of mind or statement, says that John Dean...

Well, an army statement in advance under your scenario would have to say that.

He'd have to just make that disclosure completely, you know, lay it all out there.

He'd say, and I checked this after you asked me, he would say, I continue to attend meetings at the committee that reelect, principally for the purpose of counseling on election laws, to make sure that the White House didn't get off on the wrong foot.

At those meetings,

The question of the care and feeding of the defendants kept arising.

And people kept turning to me, particularly John Mitchell, saying, you've got to help us get the money to keep these fellows from starving and to keep their attorneys going and so forth.

And so on several occasions, I came back to the White House and communicated John Mitchell's message to various people in the White House.

On one occasion, I contacted Herb Kambach to see if he could raise money for John Mitchell.

On other occasions, I communicated with people outside of the White House with regard to this matter.

And I became a participant in the process of raising and transmitting money to the defendants.

Did he raise money?

He was.

In the process, he didn't personally put the arm underneath on me.

You didn't?

You didn't know?

No.

But Herb did.

He was instrumental in passing along to those who could raise money.

That's what I say.

Then, at some point down the line, it is, even though Bob makes the good point that indeed he, you know, put the word to other people, the impression is that John Dean, the legal counsel of the president, which we have solidified now in the minds of the public,

Well, that doesn't argue for anything except sending Dean up there.

No, it argues.

It argues for action.

That's what Dean has to say.

That would be better not said.

Ron wants him to say it before he gets up there anyway.

Since he was merely a connection, you know that there are people at both ends involved.

If this were a dead end road that nobody would go down unless Dean said something, then you don't have a problem with that.

I don't know how much of this is factual, but keep in mind that New York Daily News story.

That's right.

Maybe the people at both ends of the road have an interest of saying nothing.

I think probably overall we'd be a hell of a lot better off.

I shared your opinion.

I think that it would be good, but I don't think anybody does well before I tell people.

The only ones who do well are those who are hard to use both of them.

But you're on the defensive.

The guy that does well on television is the guy that's on the offensive.

He has all those shits on the Senate bench.

Well, it's like Frank Sinatra.

He came off well in here because he kicked the shit out of the committee.

I can't do that.

That's the point.

I will try for the non-police here.

to make him available for a century.

And what do you do?

doesn't come up in some grand jury testimony, either somewhere else, having been a part of a bunch, even though that's not what it was, but that's the impression.

from a public impression standpoint if the day comes in the future that in some way John Dean was involved in this funding to

is firmly implanted in the public mind that he is your legal counsel, the public reaction to that would be very negative.

And the public negative reaction would go to the president.

It would probably require some action.

How about saying this, that the government and the staff had useful discussions yesterday, that they didn't get finished.

But it would be better to do it together, yeah.

You really have three different categories of people you're talking about.

One is me, who is the unique category of UPS Council.

Another is me, who is...

The weakest case of all is for the latter.

The next weakness is for me and the strongest is for Dean.

My view would be that you gotta try to

Maintain your position that you're not waiving privilege on them either in relation to their white house responsibilities.

And with me, you sent me up without waiving privilege.

Essentially, it doesn't differ.

I think you could try to make a strong

more important.

Yeah.

Sure is.

In the sense that you know what I have to say, what I'm required to answer.

And I have much more of a problem than Colson or Chapin does in America, because they don't have knowledge of other people's activities than I have.

That's my point.

I come close to Dean in that area.

I don't have the legal hood to pull over me, but I have the same

He has talked to everybody in the goddamn staff, and he should have testified about those things.

I mean, I feel about that strongly.

What we're working toward here, and I think I referred to it,

Follow-up round of interrogation.

We may not get away with that, and if we don't, they're going to force the issue to us again.

in terms of whether you want to bet all your chips on Dean.

Aren't you better off not to resolve that question now?

Sure.

We're going to fake it along.

Don't you have to come back and ask it?

Sure.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, we're going to fake it along.

And that's not a problem.

But the rest of it would be a problem.

You don't want to know the answer to whether you will or won't?

No.

I respect that, but I don't know if we lose it this last time I used the word and we preempt it.

Go ahead and preempt it, Kyle.

Yeah, I don't think we rule that out.

We're talking about what we do with the committee after we put the thing out.

Sure.

There.

There you are.

Thank you.

Don't give something to shoot at.

They'll later on.

Months ahead.

They'll indicate ad-hoc.

I will also say that I engaged in no illegal activities as far as any burglars, and I will also say that I engaged in burglary rushes at the committee's own investigators, and I engaged in no illegal activities.

Yes, I agree

Yes, it's not.

I think he could say.

Yes, it's not.

Well.

Even if it's not.

He could say even though he's not going on the committee.

He's not going on the committee.

We're going to start off with the same.

I think he could say, hey, nobody should teach him.

Nobody should teach him.

Well, he could say, well, he could say, my statement is necessary.

My statement is, my statement necessarily brings, necessarily because, because, because, because.

is involved my function as counsel is involved my function as counsel and then the investigator function as counsel and then investigate the investigation and the investigation that i conducted that i precluded that i conducted that i precluded

Let me speak only to my personal... Let me speak only to my... Let me speak only to my personal involvement in the burglary.

Speak only to my personal...

I didn't know I was involved.

There were meetings, but I thought it was turned off.

Burglary.

In the burglary.

And...

I didn't know.

I thought it was turned off.

There were meetings, but I thought it was turned off.

And...

Turned off.

And I had no prayer knowledge.

I had no prayer knowledge.

I had no participation.

Immediately after.

Immediately after, you know, I began my investigation.

I began my investigation.

And there's not been a review.

I think that's where you get this.

It's very easy for me to answer those charges that haven't been loved.

I'll attempt to do so herein.

I did the New York Post story.

What do you think of tomorrow?

They did all of that.

No.

No, I'm talking about DMO.

No.

No, I'm talking about DMO.

See?

Yeah.

Well, that's a crime.

You're a good shit, man.

Also, the Bud Segretti, and here are the facts, and I'd get it out before the grand jury leaves it.

I'm reasonably expecting the answer charges haven't been...

Your only problem is how we get over it.

I've got to put it in on the basis that it's been implied.

It has been implied.

Also, the Bud Segretti, and here are the facts, and I'd get it out before the grand jury leaves it.

It has been implied in also the Bud Segretti and here are the facts and I'd get it out before the grand jury leaves it.

I'd like to.

That's right.

That's the point.

I'd better get upstairs and change this document.

I'd better get upstairs and change this document that I've prepared for that.

to conform to some of the years.

I had better get upstairs and you would want to prepare your room for that.

To change this document that I've, to change, to conform to some of the years.

Your document you would want to, to prepare your, well, that's on television.

Well, first it's on television.

Yeah.

And to conform to some of the, because I want to, you would want to, you know,

before them, and because I want something that we all look at, so we're all looking at the same thing.

I see a change in writing before them that we all look at.

So first, we're all looking at the same thing.

I see a change in writing before them that we all look at.

So first, we're all looking at the same thing.

All right, so we're all looking in.

I've got a couple of points here that I haven't looked at.

Give you the one day thing.

I don't know how much time we have left.

I don't know how many months we have left.

I'm going to have to be regretting that too much.

Yeah, too much.

He's got all that.

And now, it might be 12 hours.

Let's come down to this.

Let's suppose he comes to the hard place.

You know, I've got a bunch of guns that we've firmed up on that I haven't killed.

I've got a bunch of guns that we've firmed up on that I haven't killed.

Well, see, this is one of the questions I'm going to ask.

I'm going to ask my reticence to the committee to at least do what they said to me.

I have a reticence.

I said to the committee yesterday, I need to know.

And the committee could be less reticent.

I have a reticence.

Well, I'm going to try to do it.

Who speaks?

Or maybe I'm totally devastated.

And I want her to say, well, I did.

And I said, OK. And I said, Mark, shut up.

Does this mean I can do that?

I said, because they have to go to the committee anyway.

The committee .

Well, see, this is one of the questions I'm going to review in some space with them now.

Isn't it rather weird to enter into a gentleman's agreement here tonight?

Because that's binding on the committee.

I think they'll want to review.

Because they get burned on the raw file side.

And they probably say, well, we want to take this between what they said the other night and what they did.

Or maybe I'll get back to this.

The staff said to me yesterday, our committee was getting together in March.

I need to know and have it wrapped up.

So one more time.

Well, see, this is one of the questions I'm going to raise with him now.

Come at it.

I want her to say, well, I did.

And say, okay.

And there's so many discrepancies.

And what I'm getting at is, which one would be better?

Does this need ratification?

Or can I assume that if we...

I need a gentleman screaming here tonight.

Tomorrow.

That's binding on the committee.

I think they're walking.

You don't seem to have a few.

Who speaks authoritatively for the committee?

I want her to say, well, I do.

And then...

say okay does this need ratification or can i assume that if we enter into a gentleman's agreement here tonight that that's binding on the committee because they get burned well don't worry about that raw files when i get in the case i think they'll walk because they get burned raw files and they probably say well we want to take

Well, everyone will laugh at it, but you would like to have this...

I'll tell you what, we're going to finish it off tomorrow, wouldn't you?

They'd probably say, well, we want to take this back to our committee and have it ratified.

Okay.

Well, everyone will laugh at it, but you would like to have this...

I'll tell you what, we're going to finish it off tomorrow, wouldn't you?

I'd like this to be our last meeting, if possible.

Yeah.

And I'd like to...

Here's what I'm getting at is that wouldn't it be better to be our last meeting or...

You don't seem to have a feeling about the television.

Well, don't worry about that.

I can take the case.

My concern is on the television thing.

When I raised it with him,

You don't seem to have a feeling about the television.

Well, don't worry about that.

I can take a case.

My concern is on the television thing.

When I raised it with them, my concern is on the television thing.

When I raised it with them, they needed it.

We have a policy on it.

And that is, and that is, and change will be televised, change will be televised, change will be televised unless the witness objects and the committee, unless the witness objects and the committee, unless the witness, unless the witness objects and the committee,

It's obvious to me that the committee has discussed this, but they've got a meeting of the minds on it.

So they've got a number of discussions.

It's obvious to me that the committee has discussed this, but they've got a meeting of the minds on it.

So they're coming back.

And I think I can do it.

And I can explain to them what our point of view is.

And that this is one of the relatively small prices.

Now, I don't mind at all coming back and arguing the case for non-totalized hearings.

And I think I can do it.

small prices that they have to pay for a successful committee process.

And it seems to me that the American people would not understand

I'm not doing this.

I'm happy.

the grand jury than he does with the Senate.

To send the grand jury actually could get legally hung up.

And then if you're going to send the grand jury

the grand jury, then he does what he potentially could get weak.

You're going to have white people on the podium.

Well, that ain't it.

Don't get that.

It's different quality.

You're going to have these guys shaking their fingers at him and saying, the member of the half.

What?

And if you're going to the bar, you're going to have them on the podium.

They're going to be on the bound and their fingers at him and saying,

No.

You're going to have Weicker and Montoya and these guys shaking their fingers at him and saying, the member of the bar, aren't you beyond the bounds of sitting there during the interrogation of those poor people in which you realize you're intimidating them?

No.

Don't.

Just don't.

I'm not going to do that.

Let's work along.

We're not going to get on the telephone and see what we can negotiate here.

I'd like to leave that open.

You know, I'll see what I can do.

And with the idea that we're not going to get opposed, we've got to do your talks.

I'll see what I can do.

Let's see what I can do.

I suppose we've got to get this thing plugged down.

We've got to buy a machine to get this thing down.

We've got to get this thing plugged down.

Okay.

And that if you can get them to agree to go to the committee without television.

And that if you can get them to agree to go to the

So they can't get it.

Yeah, I think what they'll do is they'll say, well, we had perfectly John's rule.

from tele-permitted witnesses to be accused of what the White House insisted on sending, which we kind of blanket immunity.

They'll say, well, we had a purpose in America.

Which we considered as a community plan and rejected the rules.

in the interest of the American people.

And so now that we've seen for a minute that we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem, we have a problem,

You see, Bob, the problem is

Thank you.

I think it's as if I could carry on television anyway.

The committee is the one that's got to make it come to what would be a Republican or Republican resolution.

I think it's as if I could carry on television anyway.

Do you think there's any possibility?

I don't know.

Do you think there's any possibility we can get a deal with no television?

We might.

If we can get it, it's worth it.

Say no television.

There's a possibility that it is.

They'll come back.

I don't know if that's such a bad thing to say.

Do you think there's any possibility we can get a deal with no television?

to get you and the others without a struggle.

To get you and the others without a struggle.

Sam is the other thing with, did we have any formal talk, but not, not under oath.

Sam is the other thing with, did we have any formal talk,

probably the most I'll say I don't have any capacity to agree to the way to go about this and agree to television and we for them to take this back to their committee with notes that probably the most expedient way to go about this would be television and then if they probably the most expedient way to

and then if they have to come back and they'd say we couldn't

is going to be a reason that we're seeing, I'm not asking, and we think the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state of the state

I didn't know the radio.

It's okay.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Do a lot of press in the courtroom.

Yeah, we don't allow cameras, sir.

I've heard of the courtroom rules.

Oh, I shouldn't have raised it over there.

No, I shouldn't have raised it over there.

Like in the courtroom.

Yeah, she looked at me.

Do a lot of press in the courtroom.

Yeah, we don't allow cameras, sir.

I've heard of the courtroom rules.

Yeah, I get that.

That's a pretty good phrase.

Yeah.

There was a requisition.

John, they are.

The likelihood is that they will not.

I wrote 32B, you know.

John will carry these things on live television.

The likelihood is that they will not carry these things on live television.

So the question is whether they will.

television cameras.

John, they are.

The likelihood is that they will not carry it.

It's not, you know, I don't know how many inches or three inches is where they get filmed to get them to the spatula.

So that's not enough.

You know what I'm saying?

It's not like, you know, I don't know how many inches or three inches is where they get filmed to get them to the spatula.

So the question is, how does their television camera function?

Is there, you know, how many inches or three inches is where they get filmed?

Don't do it.

Don't have it down.

That's their option.

I do not dispense with the EPSOM.

I'll let them spare when I report.

I'm sorry that they would agree to that, but why don't people go down the course and don't read the EPSOM?

I really don't have one now.

Necessary EPSOM, that's manual.

I don't know what the EPSOM is.

I don't think they would put enough of the reviews to play out.

because they may be the one who will want to make this work as a victory.

They'll play .

They worked out .

It should be a very .

Not under television, but under oath, and they'll, you know, make a big thing out of that.

I don't think Dave would put enough.

He'd provide for it, but we refuse to play it.

I don't think Dave would put enough, but we refuse to play it.

And what they'll play out is if they, maybe 5, 30, right?

Do you, because they want to, they're the ones who want to make this happen.

You know, we're going to watch the victory.

And what they'll play out is if they, an arrangement for about, they, yes, about seven hour and a half.

They got us.

I just said, would you like to give me a call?

You know, they worked out a plan.

I will meet you at 5.30.

Yes, about 7 o'clock.

Would you like to give me a call early in the afternoon?

A new heater, you're going to heat today.

Later.

All right.

I just think that Ron's game is going to get worse.

Ron's views, I don't, I just think that Ron's game, he's got a good point that it's just, he's got a good point that it's just that what they're overriding is just, what they're overriding, we're beyond that.

That's it.

He's got a good point that we're beyond that.

The point that it's just, what they're overriding, but I think what he's going to do, we can meet, we're beyond that.

That's it.

But I think, too, we can meet his objections.

Yeah.

But I think, too, we can understand.

We can meet his objection, too.

Yeah, statements made in advance.

We can meet his objections.

Because if the student, you expect them to stay on the line, then don't interact with them right now.

What's your question on that?

Well, I don't think they do, because if the student does,

I think it's perfectly logical that he would be.

He should be.

He's got to be prepared to move fast.

I think it's perfectly logical that he would be.

He should be.

How did they, how much, perfectly logically, what did they show you?

Yeah.

How did they, how many of you were there?

Three, three, thirty, thirty.

How did they, how did they go about that, go about that?

Three, three, thirty.

How did they know?

Absolutely.

But they didn't.

Osama testified about it.

They didn't pursue it.

It's not what they did.

They didn't ask what was done.

They just said, well, let's pass the flagellate and then we can turn it back on.

And they didn't.

That's all.

But they did the pursuant to the point that they did the pursuant to the point that he just said we didn't spend it.

I agree with their plan to bring in a big tuck.

That's the point they've gotten for our campaign.

And we can turn it back.

That's all.

I didn't ask what was done.

He just said we didn't spend it.

And we can turn it back.

They just didn't have a strong answer.

I think they asked him.

I don't know.

That was cute.

I hope so, because I would agree with their plan.

This is where I'd agree to bring in a big truck.

with their plan I talked about what they did because we want to separate them I'm sure they did at least that's the strong answer at least that's the I think they they asked it I don't know I don't know that was a strong answer

I think they, they, they, they asked him, I don't, I don't, excuse me, they asked him, uh, they asked him, did they ask him about, uh, he asked if I didn't ride the Watergate.

No.

Did they ask him about, well, I don't know.

Did they ask if I didn't ride the Watergate?

No.

Well, I don't know.

That was, that was, and I thought, that was, that was, I hope so, because that was, and I, because I would, that he could, I hope they did.

Or that he'd have, I hope so, because I would, that he could.

I hope they did.

I did.

Because we want to separate.

Or that he'd have to do it again.

I'm sure he did.

Because we want to separate.

I'm sure he did.

He'll ride out this whole thing.

We'll kind of twirl and see what he does.

They asked him if he had discussed his appearance.

the fact of his appearance, or any of his, he said, he said, yes, he had, or any of his, he said, he had, he had discussed testimony with anyone, he said, he had discussed it with Jim Keough, and yes, he had, he had discussed it with his boss, and he said, Jim Keough, his boss, and somebody else, and they, somebody else, and they, they, they said to the home, give you Jim Keough, they said to the home, give you any instructions,

I said, did Holton give you any instructions?

He said, stop there.

I said, did he?

He said, yes, he did.

I said, what were Holton's instructions?

He said, what were Holton's instructions?

He said, the instructions were that I was to tell you to stop there.

I said, what were Holton's instructions?

He said, the instructions were that I was to tell you to turn to any questions.

I'm getting back.

That's no change.

That's a consistent position.

It's exactly where he's at.

Watch this.

That's decent.

The one thing you should still wonder is that you might not make up this one.

You should not make up this one.

The one thing you should still

Yes.

Thank you.

And if they say, well, then what about that $330,000?

And say something like, that was a, that was money that might be

and instructed to be returned.

That was why it was collected.

They said it was awesome.

Yeah, it was, but it was sort of .

It was kept separate until .

It was all .

It was kept separate until a law came in .

They say it was all .

Once the campaign .

It was all going to be .

They couldn't keep it separate.

My response is .

Yeah.

What I said is .

It was kept separate.

spending law came in, it was all going to be... Herb Knaubach was the custodian of funds that had been raised by... What I said is that supporters of the president

Those funds had not all been expended.

pre-election period candidates were held and I knew that that fund was there since 1970 out of which I suggest for some interim polling and travel and those funds that they talked about have all been expended

and were held as a reserve for other activity during some interim polling and pre-election period.

And I knew that travel and other activity during the pre-elected Fed Fund period.

And I knew it was there, and that's the Fed Fund.

It was there, and that's the fund out of which I suggested that they talk to Kambach about getting this thing done.

And then I also just spoke before the April 7th report.

Part of it was with the $350,000 campaign and the $90,000 campaign.

And then Strong's going to move to the city for possible use here for a private home.

Of course, April 7th, which was the 4th, took $350,000.

Before the April 7th was not used, the 4th.

And one of the ways we've drawn this is to put it into the stronghold.

We've done an expecity for possible use here for a private home.

And we're going to be using the number of jobs that we took.

We're going to give you a cash fee for that.

We're going to give you a credit card.

So we're going to use $350,000.

Of course, that's not going to pay you.

And one of the ways we're going to do this is to put it into the stronghold.

It was.

I think it was with John today.

Yeah, it was.

It wasn't this time.

I think it was the following night.

Thank you.

That was nice.

I think it's probably stuck.

I think it's probably stuck on the non-campaign committee.

I don't know.

I don't know what's bad.

I think it's probably stuck on the non-campaign committee.

It would be very good for them.

I guess so.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Oops.

I don't know if you're selling at least a third of the campaign spending.

We've already pleaded no contender or something.

I guess it's campaign spending.

Yeah, a lot of those.

Nobody seems to be too worried about that.

I don't know.

They just say, well, nobody's going to worry about a campaign spending buy-in.

I don't know.

They just say, well, nobody's going to worry about a campaign spending buy-in.

We've already pleaded no contender.

The responsible person then is the trader, in this case, .

In this case, .

Something to treasure or to return.

Deallocating the monsters.

Something to treasure or to return.

I believe you had, I don't know, my question, I don't know.

Whether we had.

We had.

I believe you had, I don't know, my question, I don't know.

Whether we had.

I don't even know that.

I used it for polling.

We had used it for polling.

We had to report them.

I don't even know that.

I don't know.

I used it for polling.

Would you cover that in your shit letter?

No.

Why is it we can't get it?

I didn't intend to cover the $350.

I didn't because I didn't even charge for it.

I didn't intend to cover the $350 at all.

I didn't because I didn't even charge for it.

I didn't intend to cover the $350 at all.

Is it strong?

Well, maybe I better take a step to get rid of that.

Is it strong?

Well, maybe I better take a step to get rid of that.

That's what I'm talking about.

That's what I'm going to do.

I'm not telling them that I, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh, that I, uh,

I had the three-fifth, he has no preference on this game, so it was non-usual.

The three-fifth, he has no preference on this game, so it was non-usual.

That was after the election, and I returned the fund to the committee.

Why are they asking about our securities?

Because someone told them that they gave it to Trump.

They, I don't know, they used to, why they would ask, is probably that they would ask because they need to uncover the fact that they've determined what happened that month.

Because some told them that they gave it a shot.

I think it's probably that they would ask because they need to uncover the fact that they, would you see it there, I mean, the leaves and water can determine what happened when they asked him about the tree that he was not coming in for that month.

I don't think they are interested.

I think they are interested in the post-election stuff too.

I don't think they are interested.

I think they are interested in the post-election stuff too.

But see, I don't think they're really interested.

I could have run the water gate and been missing.

Supply fee.

The money out of mine has been missing.

It's out of that three supply fee.

The money out of my, out of the 50 cash.

Three 50 cash.

Oh, I see.

So, my reason.

There it is.

And it very well, it very well might be.

So, my reason.

There it is.

It's all accessible.

So basically it doesn't because they've testified.

So basically it doesn't.

Because they've testified.

Yeah.

Strong testified that part of it was used for an answer, so I don't know.

I get the impression from him that it was used for an answer, so I don't know.

They, I don't know, they used it for cryptography.

Why did they ask John about it?

He's curious.

Because some told him that they gave it to John.

I think it's probably that they would ask because they need to have covered the fact that they determined what happened that month.

Did you see it there?

I mean, the only use of water came when they asked him about the tree.

Did you see it there?

Well, I don't think they are interested.

I think they're interested in the post-election stuff, too.

Theoretically, I could have run the Watergate and supplied the money out of that $350,000 cash.

Oh, I see.

So quite a reason.

They already asked for it.

They didn't.

And very well, it very well might be that the Sloan-Cessna, that is a new center, for $350,000, they're willing to put the money in finance to Watergate.

So basically, it doesn't, because they've testified this morning about the Watergate came from.

They gave it to Watergate, $35,000.

John testified that part of it was used for an answer.

So I don't know.

I get the impression from Quick's synopsis that he did not.

I think what he said.

I think what he said was when it was not.

I think what he said was when it was not used for both.

There's no need for the vote.

Well, I wouldn't find my time.

Wait a time.

I don't think

Because of that, I just figured it's useless to read.

I just figured it's useless to read.

It's better off.

Because of that, I just figured it's useless to read.

It's better off to get rid of it.

Clean it up.

And thank goodness, we only know we were

And thank goodness we owned the room.

Our original plan was at $2 million a month.

We had $2 million in cash.

Give it all over the stands.

Yeah.

We had.

And thank goodness we owned the room.

We had $2 million in cash.

Give it all over the stands.

Yeah.

Wait a minute, Cato.

Bye bye.

You know, but, you know, but, you know, but, you know, but, you know, but, you know, but, you know, but, you know, but,

All he knew, what they were talking to those people was they needed money.

All he knew was they needed money.

They needed money for their legal fees.

They needed money for their family support.

And he had support.

And he had her help.

I'm under pressure.

Pressure.

Thank you.

Just there.

I'll wait for you to leave.

Now, just there.