{"conversationCode":"894-005","tapeNumber":894,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-894-005","startDateTime":"1973-04-12T16:44:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-12T17:28:00.000Z","startDate":"12-Apr-1973","startTime":"11:44 AM","endDate":"12-Apr-1973","endTime":"12:28 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Luns, Joseph M. A.; Rumsfeld, Donald H.; Kissinger, Henry A.; White House photographer; [Unknown person(s)];","description":"On April 12, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon, Joseph M. A. Luns, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Henry A. Kissinger, White House photographer, and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:44 am to 12:28 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 894-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":"5.5","chronRelease":"Fifth Chronological Release: Part V","chronReleaseDate":"21-Aug-2013","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 894-5\n\nDate: April 12, 1973\nTime: 11:44 am - 12:28 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Joseph Marie Luns, Donald H. Rumsfeld, and Henry A. Kissinger. The\nWhite House photographer and members of the press were present at the beginning of the\nmeeting.\n\n     North Atlantic Treaty Organization [NATO]\n\n     Introductions\n\n     Photographs\n          -Arrangements\n\n[Photograph session]\n\n     Fashion\n\n*****************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n[National security]\n[Duration: 39 m 45 s ]\n\n     NORTH ATLANTIC TREATY ORGANIZATION [NATO]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1\n\n*****************************************************************\n\f                                             -15-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                            Conversation No. 894-5 (cont’d)\n\nAn unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 11:44 am.\n\n     Presentation of gifts\n          -Cufflinks\n\n     Rumsfeld\n         -Appearance\n         -Spouse\n\nLuns, Rumsfeld, Kissinger, and the unknown woman left at 12:28 pm.","filename":["894-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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No, no, no, no."},{"start":166.47,"end":169.31,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":169.79,"end":172.47,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":172.63,"end":173.73,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":174.25,"end":175.81,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":175.85,"end":177.31,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":177.33,"end":178.55,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":178.61,"end":179.44,"text":"This is the, uh..."},{"start":191.12,"end":200.93,"text":"Yeah, well, you're lucky to work for a strong man."},{"start":205.22,"end":206.1,"text":"Goodbye."},{"start":206.28,"end":206.68,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":206.74,"end":208.94,"text":"Have a good one."},{"start":209.76,"end":211.28,"text":"Don't give up on it."},{"start":211.82,"end":212.74,"text":"Okay."},{"start":212.78,"end":212.92,"text":"Bye."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with NATO Secretary General Joseph M. A. Luns, accompanied by Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger, to conduct diplomatic discussions regarding the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The meeting commenced with a formal photograph session and included an exchange of gifts, specifically cufflinks. While the majority of the policy discussions remain classified, the interaction served as a high-level engagement to maintain relations with the NATO leadership.","topics":["NATO","Diplomacy","International Relations","Joseph Luns","Gift Exchange"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:23:59.442Z"},"topicSlugs":["nato","diplomacy","international-relations","joseph-luns","gift-exchange"],"audioDurationSec":224,"audioFiles":[{"file":"894-005.mp3","bytes":7163904,"durationSec":223.77,"bitrate":256112,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.081Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:57.783Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/894-005.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/894-005","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/894/conversation-894-005","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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