{"conversationCode":"895-003","tapeNumber":895,"conversationNumber":3,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-895-003","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T13:29:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T13:49:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"8:29 AM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"8:49 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:29 am and 8:49 am. 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Keyes [?]\n\f                                               -4-\n\n                   NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                              Conversation No. 895-3 (cont’d)\n\n     White House social affairs\n          -Ethnic balance\n          -Blacks\n          -Prisoners of War [POWs] [?]\n                -Sammy Davis, Jr.\n                -Voluntary action\n                      -Foundation for children of Missing in Action [MIA]\n                      -Fundraising\n                      -Scholarships\n                -Charity\n                      -Leslie T. (“Bob”) Hope\n                      -Vietnam\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 8:49 am.","filename":["895-003.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"895-002","nextCode":"895-004","transcript":[{"start":0.46,"end":6.07,"text":"It says here that, I don't think that's a change, honestly."},{"start":6.09,"end":6.53,"text":"Oh, no, it is."},{"start":6.63,"end":7.69,"text":"It says on the papers, you know."},{"start":8.63,"end":8.83,"text":"Sorry."},{"start":9.25,"end":10.87,"text":"My mind was the wrong way."},{"start":14.77,"end":17.89,"text":"You asked for a piece of paper."},{"start":17.91,"end":18.27,"text":"I was scared."},{"start":18.43,"end":19.43,"text":"It was addressed to my team."},{"start":19.45,"end":21.16,"text":"It was addressed to my team."},{"start":21.18,"end":22.24,"text":"It's actually the same thing."},{"start":34.85,"end":36.24,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":63.67,"end":64.23,"text":"Paul hasn't done it."},{"start":64.25,"end":65.54,"text":"If you're asking me to, I wouldn't fix it."},{"start":65.7,"end":67.84,"text":"I'm not sure."},{"start":99.54,"end":106.6,"text":"In that line up there, Paul is trying to achieve a balance, ethnically."},{"start":107.24,"end":111,"text":"Ethnically, he doesn't need to use all the rules required."},{"start":111.88,"end":113.14,"text":"Only a second date is important."},{"start":117.41,"end":118.49,"text":"We have to get a second date."},{"start":118.75,"end":119.97,"text":"That's what we've got."},{"start":120.53,"end":123.55,"text":"The rest of the same date is going to be."},{"start":124.62,"end":129.46,"text":"having a program in one of the voluntary action areas where they'll be doing a fundraiser."},{"start":129.48,"end":131.72,"text":"I don't know if you've heard of it."},{"start":132.08,"end":139.42,"text":"Well, no, later on this year, a fundraising thing for children of the men who did not come home."},{"start":139.58,"end":140.66,"text":"Scholarship type thing."},{"start":141.44,"end":145.1,"text":"Certain private sector area there, the voluntary action area."},{"start":145.14,"end":150.36,"text":"And this would be a good way to launch into this area."},{"start":150.38,"end":153.8,"text":"Of course, all of these people are teaming together at one time, including Sam Davis."},{"start":156.15,"end":162.26,"text":"And most of them, for a good many of them, were withholding."},{"start":188.19,"end":188.63,"text":"I got this."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Stephen B. Bull reviewed administrative papers and discussed upcoming White House social programming. The conversation centered on achieving ethnic balance in these events and organizing a fundraising initiative for children of Missing in Action (MIA) servicemen. Nixon reviewed plans for a scholarship program involving celebrities like Sammy Davis, Jr. and Bob Hope to promote voluntary action and charitable efforts regarding Vietnam-era veterans.","topics":["White House social affairs","Ethnic balance","POW/MIA","Fundraising","Voluntary action","Scholarships"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-08T23:25:53.783Z"},"topicSlugs":["white-house-social-affairs","ethnic-balance","pow-mia","fundraising","voluntary-action","scholarships"],"audioDurationSec":194,"audioFiles":[{"file":"895-003.mp3","bytes":6221824,"durationSec":194.33,"bitrate":256129,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:20:06.081Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:57.981Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/895-003.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/895-003","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/895/conversation-895-003","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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