{"conversationCode":"895-012","tapeNumber":895,"conversationNumber":12,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-895-012","startDateTime":"1973-04-13T15:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1973-04-13T16:08:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Apr-1973","startTime":"10:47 AM","endDate":"13-Apr-1973","endTime":"11:08 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\");","description":"On April 13, 1973, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. (\"Bob\") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:47 am and 11:08 am. 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Kenneth Riland\n                 -Public questions\n                       -Treatment\n                       -Response\n                 -Tax cases\n                       -Indictment\n                             -Effect on relationship with President\n                             -Barber [?]\n                                   -President’s role in law enforcement\n                 -Walter R. Tkach\n\f                                             -25-\n\n                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL LIBRARY AND MUSEUM\n\n                                                             Conversation No. 895-12 (cont’d)\n\n                  -Osteopath\n                  -Postponement\n\nHaldeman left at an unknown time before 11:08 am.","filename":["895-012.mp3"],"tapeStart":"","tapeEnd":"","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Haldeman, H. R. (\"Bob\")"],"prevCode":"895-011","nextCode":"895-013","transcript":[{"start":9.35,"end":10.23,"text":"All right."},{"start":12.61,"end":18.03,"text":"One thing I want to ask you about getting right, are you sure you want to do that?"},{"start":20.34,"end":29.86,"text":"The point is going to be, well, I think the point will be, can be asked, is the president still getting treatments from Rylan?"},{"start":30.22,"end":32.04,"text":"And I wonder if you really want to say yes."},{"start":34.96,"end":37.56,"text":"Maybe you don't want to say no also, but maybe you do want to say yes."},{"start":37.58,"end":38.8,"text":"The point that I make is this."},{"start":38.82,"end":51.73,"text":"If you don't throw a ball down the chute, because he's been, I didn't know the tax case, the tax matters, the taxes are always considered a deed."},{"start":51.77,"end":59.93,"text":"Okay, I don't think we, I mean, I don't think you've got to go around the track."},{"start":59.95,"end":62.67,"text":"I mean, so because he's indicted, we say don't show up around here."},{"start":62.81,"end":63.94,"text":"Is that the problem?"},{"start":64.18,"end":64.3,"text":"Mm-hm."},{"start":65.69,"end":66.67,"text":"We get them to the barber."},{"start":66.73,"end":66.89,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":66.97,"end":77.84,"text":"On the basis that as the chief law enforcement officer, chief law enforcement officer, you know, he shouldn't be paying money for the law enforcement."},{"start":82.6,"end":83.9,"text":"I just wonder if he's borrowing trouble."},{"start":83.98,"end":86.14,"text":"That car had trouble at this point."},{"start":86.24,"end":86.44,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":86.47,"end":89.41,"text":"I have a feeling the reason is that both the guy"},{"start":91.01,"end":92.36,"text":"I'm sure you've seen it in the caution, right?"},{"start":92.38,"end":95.31,"text":"The other osteopath they had him on here was really a, you know, god damn thing."},{"start":95.33,"end":96.4,"text":"Right."},{"start":96.42,"end":96.64,"text":"The caution."},{"start":96.66,"end":101.28,"text":"He doesn't even get up to run, but he is."},{"start":101.52,"end":102.06,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":102.08,"end":102.56,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":104.6,"end":107.14,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":108.64,"end":113.1,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":113.7,"end":115.16,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":115.18,"end":116.56,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":116.58,"end":117.64,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":117.66,"end":118.44,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":118.46,"end":119.28,"text":"He's got to be careful."},{"start":120.36,"end":121.06,"text":"Let Ryan go tomorrow."},{"start":121.91,"end":122.67,"text":"You're safe."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and H.R. Haldeman discussed how to handle public inquiries regarding the President's continued medical treatment by Dr. W. Kenneth Riland following the doctor's legal issues. Haldeman expressed concern that maintaining the relationship while Riland faced tax-related indictments could create political vulnerability for the President, particularly regarding his role as the nation's chief law enforcement officer. Ultimately, the two strategized on how to discreetly manage Riland's access and public messaging to avoid unnecessary controversy.","topics":["W. Kenneth Riland","H.R. 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